Montreal is trustfulQuote:
Originally Posted by Dipstik
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Montreal is trustfulQuote:
Originally Posted by Dipstik
In case anyone's interested in what organized syndicate hacking actually looks like:
http://forums.gree.net/showthread.ph...cheats+history
My favorite part is when Vlad suggests making BD look like he's hacking at TAW. Very creative and topically relevant.
Answer to that is no. This is why we didn't just take SAS' s word at face value. We never know when it's a trick. So instead we consulted Gree 1 week prior to accepting this former SAS player into our syndicate. The response from Gree contradicted their claim. Gree cleared the player and said he is fine. We saw no reason not to bring this player in.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dipstik
I know there was no thread started by TAW whining about that. In fact, the only whining that occurred in that incident was SAS complaining that it wasn't fair. Fairness aside, Gree offered compensation to a team affected by an issue. The same offer was made to all teams affected by that issue. The number of teams involved is irrelevant.Quote:
Originally Posted by t12pm
This.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Otter
And no, Dippy, most of what SAS says seems to be elaborately constructed bs. Entertaining to read though, and they get so mad when you disagree with them. :cool:
SilentAssassin;1321356: No, TAW let the player report himself. We have comfirmation from someone within TAW about this. TAW didn't in fact report.
How low can the lowest sink? Kudos SAS. MountedCore has taught you all well. Cry, cry, cry and beg for sympathy. It almost worked this time but unfortunately and sadly, GREE is having a laugh at the moment. And guess what, it is at SAS expense.
A rookie sees a ton of posts in one thread and gets emotional. What he does not know is that all of the supporters in the thread are SAS players from SAS1 through SAS100, and dipstick who performed brilliantly, like Bruce Lee surrounded by a bunch of karate extras. Well done, Dip. I enjoyed my caramel popcorn. LOL.
Next, the rookie receives via email a ton of fabricated screen shots. Rookie wishes to make a name for him/herself and tada, makes a huge decision which sets an unfavorable precedence for GREE and all of its assets. This decision may cost the rook a reassignment to the 'have our towel warm and ready' department within the company. Advice: next time, seek wise counsel my friend.
Now, let's forget the SAS propaganda and manipulations and state a few facts. I personally communicated with GREE prior to war on behalf of TAW. Of course, we would never accept SAS statements at face value, especially without being provided proof. Ex SAS player who is now known as 'the hacker' was cleared by GREE. I still have the email.
To date, GREE has not revealed the reason ex SAS aka "the hacker" was banned. Even if he hacked this past war (which would be despicable and not tolerated), the points he scored in that battle SAS is referring to, do not make up the difference to give SAS a victory. Gree gets it wrong again or perhaps rook gets it wrong. Tada... Subtract his score, and we still win by well over 1 million points.
SAS, I have told many of you in game that this was a brilliant strategy. It almost worked. But you pulled out too quickly. I'm sure it happens a lot with most of you premature assassins. LOL. TAW still had 10 minutes left after your last battle ended to put points on the board. How many points can we score in 10 minutes?
For the record, I have never had any respect for SAS as a syndicate but if you ever win legitimately, I will be the first one to congratulate you all. It has been 22 wars dudes, can't you do better than spend countless hours plotting how to defeat TAW outside of the game? Here is a strategy, take a few wars off, save all the gold, then fight your hearts out. Score may be TAW 30 SAS 1. If it does not work, organize, make up screen shots and come cry to Gree and on every wall in cc. Vlad will gladly provide the screen shots. LOL.
Serious Question: why didn't you keep "the hacker" and use the extra ip points to defeat TAW? Were you afraid that TAW would make up the difference as we always have? If discovered, oh well, SAS has no credibility anyway. Now, that's a strategy.
Next question: How does SAS score 5 million points when they face us, in 10 seconds, with our wall up and none of our players having been hit? I will leave that answer to GREE.
Some may not like us and I am certain most of them are in SAS and that is okay. But those who know us, even if you do not like us, for whatever reason, know that we have a ZERO tolerance for hacks and cheats. We spend our time and money, just as many of you do, on this broken game. Why would we hack or cheat? Why risk it? We have an unblemished record. 22 out of 22. We win to prove that good can and does defeat evil. We win to prove that we can beat the cheaters and hackers. Remember Agent Smith. I was kicking its @$$. It sucks to play the game with hackers and cheaters but it felt great to beat that sucker.
If TAW had a hacker, why would we lose to SAS in a battle in the last war? We could have ended your streak and seek you out throughout war weekend and do it again and again? Your premise has no basis. It made for good reading though.
Please review the thread below and all of the threads by MountItCore then contact me via email if you wish to make cc for the community and about the community as you have stated in your introduction.
HB: att>650 mil; def>300 mil; iph $100 mil
http://forums.gree.net/showthread.ph...cheats+history
If gree reconsiders the situation and sas are not given any extra prizes and the situation remains the same, they are secure in second place Do you think sas will be upset?
SAS upset? Clearly not. SAS is a syndicate made up of valiant men who never shed a tear o scream and who will fight to the end for the good of the crime city community. Hahahahaha. I'm bull****ting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Keapa
Silent Assassin I appreciate your assistance. I just have a few more questions, as things still are not clear in my mind as to what happened.
-Does SAS believe that the hack was used the last 2 battles TAW had? If so what were the points put up by the hacker in those 2 battles, and what is the most any single non-hack person has scored by PAing the entire time in a battle?
-Is there any proof of this?
-What has gree communicated to SAS, and why hasn't a MOD made a statement on this (or did I miss it, I have a real job and the World Cup is going on so I am busy)
Do you honestly believe that the "delta" in points you spoke is why you got to within 2 million points, or do you think TAW had calculated out where they wanted to be, but could have scored more?
Not so obvious, not plain and simple, and actually incorrect. The community consensus says differently. What really happened here is that a grave injustice has been perpetrated on TAW by Gree. The fact of the matter is everyone who has followed the forums knows that SAS has a repeated pattern of gamesmanship - never making it to #1, but settling loudly and unhappily as #2 or #3 every single war.Quote:
Originally Posted by SilentAssassin
In this war what everyone now knows is that a hacker applied to TAW over a week before the war. SAS claimed they booted this guy, and also notified TAW through a private message. Obviously nobody ever would take any SAS claim as true, so TAW did the logical next step. They requested verification from Gree on this guy - was he a hacker or not? they asked Gree. And Gree cleared the guy and told them he was not, so TAW accepted him.
After the war in which SAS again finished a close #2, their leader went on the public forums with an artfully but deceptively crafted assertion that TAW hacked their way to #1 in the war. By doing this publicly, clearly he wished to tarnish TAW's victory by saying he warned TAW, but TAW ignored the warning. This of course is quite deceptive since such a warning has utterly no credibility coming from SAS, obviously. Especially not to their arch-rival TAW who they tried multiple times to cheat and mislead.
Then the truth started leaking out. In this instance the indisputable truth is Gree cleared the hacker beforehand, Gree failed to block him during the war (as they've done to other hackers) and TAW did nothing wrong, but pursue their usual strategy of building up an insurmountable cushion.
TAW built up their usual lead, and SAS could not surmount it. But wait says SilentAssassin. But for the hacking SAS claims TAW would have lost to SAS by 1-4% of the total IP. Untrue. That assumes that TAW would not have acted as they did in every other war - i.e. when SAS made its move they would have too. In fact that's exactly what happened. If they lacked the hacker, others would have stepped up - as in every other war. That's the only logical conclusion.
But wait says SilentAssassin, it's about velocity, or rate of point gain. Huh? Every other time SAS made a charge, TAW increased their rate of point gain. So minus the hacker, they still would have done it. There also is a question of whether the hacking even occurred at the end of the war as SilentAssassin has led the community to believe. Apparently the consensus now seems to be that it was almost a day before the end of the war. Hardly a point where velocity matters anyway.
So, SilentAssassin, no it's not so clear. Be happy you convinced Gree to give you a 1st place prize many believe you did not deserve.
To Keapa and TAW: You should rightly be angry and frustrated that Gree cleared this guy, misled you, and then after the fact reduced your team points, when your strategy always has succeeded in landing you first place. If Gree assumes you would not have been first place, that would be unjust. Yeah, it's a game and you played by the rules.
A: You should check the poll we have up. Community voted thereQuote:
Originally Posted by TheJess
Your argument is you didn't believe us ? Who cares lmao we told TAW. We have screens of the booting as well and the leader of SAS made it a big deal as he posted the removal of the player in question in our notifications room.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheJess
It's a message we don't tolerate any hacking
A: We actually contacted GREE before we made it public. Once again we told TAW. They have no excuse. If they didn't take our warning they are at fault.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheJess
A: TAW knew that the hacker could score fast. And as said before they had their desired lead yup. Then we ran up on them and without the hacker they WOULD NOT HAVE WONQuote:
Originally Posted by TheJess
A: if you don't understand what delta is don't post. They had a lead we destroyed. Do you not realize the hacker did 300 k per minute? That equavalent to a team of 35-40! The player they would sub him With would do max 20-30 ip per minute assuming he/she had an ip are air/iphone5s (fastest devices for cc to date). You just subbed 300 k ip per min for a max of 30 k ip per min. 10x less!Quote:
Originally Posted by TheJess
Delta Delta Delta
A: first of all no charge in the past comes even close to the charge we did in the final 2 hours. We scored roughly 50 mil ip in 2 hours. That's unheard of in CC until last war. Now I'm just gonna repost what I said before...... if you don't understand what delta is don't post. They had a lead we destroyed. Do you not realize the hacker did 300 k per minute? That equavalent to a team of 35-40! The player they would sub himQuote:
Originally Posted by TheJess
With would do max 20-30 ip per minute assuming he/she had an ip are air/iphone5s (fastest devices for cc to date). You just subbed 300 k ip per min for a max of 30 k ip per min. 10x less!
Delta Delta Delta
A: this one is LOLz. TAW did not send a ticket to GREE. TAW can contact an SAS ofc and show us their ticket. But they won't. While we've released a lot of info to the publicQuote:
Originally Posted by TheJess
Trust is earned. Something tells me SAS has never earned any trust from TAW. Therefore, anything you claim to have told them is irrelevant.
You have claimed in the past that screenshots were not acceptable evidence of any wrong-doing because they can be faked too easily. Therefore, your claims of being able to readily provide screen shots to back up the story that can't be trusted are also irrelevant. Screen grabs not good enough proof for others, then they're not good enough for SAS either.
Finally, any speculation about what would or wouldn't have happened without the presence of "the hacker" is irrelevant since you can't prove it either way. If you care to listen to a logical argument based on historical facts, FC/TAW has won every war and has never had an issue scoring more than second place. They also don't have a history or record of scoring far more points than are required to take the top prize.
Let's hear your clever rebuttal. Millions in Ethiopia are still suffering from severe drought.
What you have released to the public is inconsistent. I repeat I have emails back and forth with gree about this ex SAS player. Gree cleared him prior to war. Regardless, he did not score enough for SAS to win even if his score is disallowed.Quote:
Originally Posted by SilentAssassin
Yeah, why would TAW believe what SAS says? Anyways, TAW responsibly consulted GREE about this player and GREE said there wasn't anything wrong with him at the time. Why would you penalize TAW? If you need to ban someone, ban the guy that responded to TAW saying that there weren't issues with the player.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Governor
You guys at GREE need to step up! Just because SAS comes to the forum crying and whining like little kids doesn't mean that you should enable this behavior and give them what they want. Do you see this? It's like a disfunctional family: the kid (SAS in this case) cries and whines, the parents (GREE in this case) enables this behavior by awarding SAS with the first place prize.
Let me know if this is how you guys work, so that I can start making threads for weeks crying and whining about not having enough gold. Maybe you guys are down to enable my behavior and award me with a bunch of gold.
Sigh.... Come on Tadaaaah, do the right thing!
Simply repeating fallacious use of data and a flawed data velocity theory does not make it fact. The reason nobody believes you is that your argument is incomplete, and therefore lacks credibility. My first post (page 9 of this thread) corrected your fallacies.Quote:
Originally Posted by SilentAssassin
TAW rightly should be very angry and frustrated if Gree reduces their point total
Besides all that, the undeniable fact is every time SAS makes a run at #1, TAW steps up, regardless of SAS's rate of IP accumulation. That's exactly what happened last war, and there's no evidence that lacking a particular player the result would have been any different than it always has been in the past - namely, TAW outruns and outspends SAS, and takes the win. SAS in frustration goes on public forums complaining about how it's unfair to them, hence their reputation in the community as whiners.
The only difference is this time their leader, Mr. SilentAssassin, initiated the complaining rather than their two outspoken players (both former members now) ... and all the data smoke he blew over and over convinced a naive customer service guy (Tadaaa), or intimidated the game architects, who didn't want to alienate their #2 paying customer. SilentAssassin, congrats on your deceptive post-war strategy, since it worked. And be happy you got your #1 prize, which the community believes you did not deserve.
So you're ok with being awarded 1st with a proven hacker on your team? So if SAS uses a hacker next war and wins you will not say a word? Bull****! Youre a joke just like Tam.Quote:
Originally Posted by dr007
It's not so much about being ok with having a hacker on the team, but rather not being ok with being mislead and then have what was thought to be a legitimate outcome turn out to be illegitimate, even though due diligence had been observed and the actions of some are beyond the control of many.
Or does such logic escape those who've been beaten into submission by their addiction to a mobile game?
Proven hacker? Sas used that " alleged hacker" for their last two battles, the difference being they knew he was a hacker and kept quiet about it, and we thought he was just a regular player.Quote:
Originally Posted by OmgMileyCyrus
If we(TAW) inquired about the player a week prior to war and your staff cleared him, how can you or Gree's management think the right thing to do is punish us?
1. Gree cleared him
2. Gree called event. TAW was declared winner.
3. Gree did nothing before or during war to said hacker that would of allowed us to score additional points to make up the difference.
4. Change the outcome on the very syndicate that has won every single war since the start.
Bottom line is there could be several cheaters in this game. If a team brought a player in their syndicate in good faith are you prepared to change the outcome on every syndicate this could happen to?
I certainly hope you do the right thing because in my opinion your customers are not going to trust a company that will change the games outcome after event is over.
You trust Gree now? LmaoQuote:
Originally Posted by The Governor
SAS should rightfully be declared the winner and if Gree don't then there is equal argument not to trust them even more so.
The point is it doesn't matter if This dude was cleared before battle... He cheated during the battle and needs all his ip wiped from the total of TAW ip score.
Evidence? (for the accusation against SAS that is)Quote:
Originally Posted by Keapa
Tam are you dense??? It doesn't matter if SAS had a hacker for every fricken battle. That's up to gree to investigate. Point is the #1 team in all of crime city had a CHEATER. End of discussion. The rest of us (not just SAS) do not like that a single bit. If SAS was cheating let gree investigate that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Keapa
Again you had a hacker/cheater and it's against TOS. Get over yourself.
Maybe a stupid question but how do you check with gree if a player may be a hacker? As the leader of a top 400 team i would like to know that players i accept are legit....is that possible for me or is it a special consideration the top teams get? How do you go about contacting gree to find out? I mean nobody wants a cheat or hack in their group so how do we go about checking
said players
Further, how do the top teams warn each other of bad players? You can't exactly name names on the forums with impunity and still follow the rules. Ban hammer anyone? :rolleyes:
Yawn, the whining is beyond boring, like little kids fighting in the school yard. All you morons will be spending tons at the next war and then whining again. ALL you losers are hilarious.
Hilarious or boring? Pick one. ;)
Both the game and the forums are a joke. No successful people play this game and no one will become successful playing this game - except TAW/FC and SAS, they have become successful morons.
This is a royal waste of time, money and energy and I pity the people who have spent months and especially years on this game. They live in a disillusion that they have accomplished something. What losers
This argument states that just because taw wins everytime means they won this time is beyond pompous and absurdQuote:
Originally Posted by TheJess
Then I shall sit back and wait to read the comments about sas knowingly used a hacker for 2 wars.
OMC are you slow or just stupid? It does matter if you had a hacker every single battle. There is this little thing called a pattern. Which it seems SAS has for cheaters. Are u telling me the Baddad convo never happened between SAS' s board members? Are you telling me this alleged cheater wasn't in SAS 2 wars prior to last? Why when players leave SAS Montecore starts broadcasting that many of them were hackers/cheaters? Why did SAS want this alleged cheater back in their syndicate? Did Montecore leave SAS so he could be your team photographer?Quote:
Originally Posted by OmgMileyCyrus
How if you guys were in the tap match of your lives you had time to take ss of 1 players production?
There is no end to the tricks and conniving stunts SAS is willing to pull in this app game for a win. I've witnessed players like Montecore posing as a different person trying to get into TAW. I've witnessed SAS2 sacrifice their streaks just to watch SAS1 gloat about getting theirs. U guys are willing to step on anyone and everyone if it can earn u guys 1 ounce of a so called victory. Now u want understanding from us? Well u can take that bs and stick it right up the next cheater out of your hacker farm systems crack.
First thing is first. Learn how to use the "quote" feature.
A: Actually the supporters were from many top 10 syns, ranging to top 1000 syns , and SAS players yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by dr007
So far it's 117 yes- 25 no
20 TAW players + 5 trolls
The main question that is ahead if us really is how many TAW players voted yes in secrecy.
And in addition, Dipstick did do a slightly better job than you.
A: The screens were not fabricated. In fact GREE is able to see where he hit. I've seen the breakdowns when I've personally requested to be refunded gold for getting 3 hits rather than 4 in a fill. They keep track and can cross check. Good try though. GREE didn't just take our word they had an investigation.Quote:
Originally Posted by dr007
Another thing is... And I've explained this before... Tadahh is a median between us and the GREE decision makers. He only presents the decision GREE makes. He has say but it's up to the whole TEAM to decide.
Business 101 HB
I agree it just makes you look bad. No business skills whatsoever and back to one of your first points..you like caramel popcorn. Well I guess it's not that bad but that chocolate popcorn is way better. I have a sweet tooth I admit it ok!Quote:
Originally Posted by dr007
Thank god. We would love to see that email HB. You know plenty SAS officers please show some proof. If you don't want to that's ok too but just makes you look bad especially since SAS has proof on the table and a lot of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by dr007
I do however take your word on it as well.
A: you really need more a reason after seeing him score 1.1M in 4 minutes? Anyways moving on....Quote:
Originally Posted by dr007
1) well it's really a Q 😆 Are you saying that the hacker only hacked when we specifically saw him? GREE has more proof than you do after the fact.
2) Should the hacker IP not be zero'd ? His account is banned and no longer active. Why do any of his points count ?
3) You lose by 50 k ip if GREE deducts the hacked IP and still counts remaining IP left over or a full deduction of the hacker points and lose by about 4 mil. (125.397 mil - 6 Mil = 119 mil)
There is no in the middle HB. SAS wins either way
We won.Quote:
Originally Posted by dr007
Thanks man, yes we scored 50 mil IP in 2 hours. Was a great run I completely agree with you. Impossible to defend on a working Monday.
One little disagreement there but we were really close to agreement on this one except the end. Because...
It worked.
A: Considering you started your battle with SC with 45 min left in war, with a hacker you can score a lot. 300k ip a minute at any given time if you take a look at the PROOF presented to you that GREE in fact banned him for. 300 k ip a minute is equivalent to a team of 35-40 going all out non stop. He did that all by himself with the click of a button.Quote:
Originally Posted by dr007
We booted him.Quote:
Originally Posted by dr007
You were warned and kept the hacker.
A: that's a big lie. In fact if you want proof we track our battles with TAW. We check periodically when we can.Quote:
Originally Posted by dr007
FYI HB, saying a lie over and over again doesn't make it true.
We've never scored 5 mil in "an impossible amount of time with ridiculous circumstances" when we faced you. In fact could a GREE mod please clear this one up too ? Would be awesome to show the poster HB blatantly lie to the public about something he claimed to see with his own eyes. HB, SAS will show you proof and so can GREE.
Tag team!
If this were true you would not have added him when SAS warned you, even if you say GREE cleared itQuote:
Originally Posted by dr007
0 tolerance is 0 tolerance.
Why are you taking a risk on a player like that when the almighty TAW can fill a spot no problem and also hypothetically fill a spot after a hacker has been banned?
A: Stop denying that you had a hacker. GREE banned him. You are in your denial phase. There are no "ifs". Those screens were taken at the END of the SAS VS TAW battle showing the player in question scoring 1.1 mil IP in the final 4 minutes of the battle. We lead most of the battle by 900k -1.1 mil ip and then magically at the end of battle you came within 400 k ip of us. We were shocked how close you got. With our win bonus we scored 25+ mil that battle too but take away the win bonus and it was dead close. The hacker is clearly shown in the screens going up 300 k ip per minute consistently, starting at about the 3 min and 45 second mark to the end of battle and scoring 1.1+ Mil. Trying to catch us himself.Quote:
Originally Posted by dr007
You shouldn't argue against clear cut proof HB makes your case look weak
I like the "let gree investigate" comment which is what we did in regards to that player
OMC is very slow and stupid. :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by The Governor
First of all he was booted the second we found out. We have screens of the whole ordeal which were sent to GREE and shown in public. We have nothing to hideQuote:
Originally Posted by Keapa
Now for your second point. So you're telling me after SAS clearly stated he's a hacker. Has 70 k gold and was booted to the curb instantly and then SAS warns you too? You thought he was just a regular player?
Great lie Tam. Please stop posting, you're almost as bad as HB. I don't have to say anything really you descredit yourself
They found him guilty.Quote:
Originally Posted by Keapa
You claim you sent information to gree. Yet when we contact gree there was no adverse reports ....hummmmQuote:
Originally Posted by SilentAssassin
Quick question: Does Gree rush to the forums to confirm or deny "facts" for all and sundry? Regardless of source? Just askin'...Quote:
Originally Posted by Keapa
How Gree manages these type issues is a mystery to us.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rookeye
There is no way TAW would take the word of a team that has tried so many times to take our place at their word with anything.
Vlad provided nothing tangible for us to work with. Such as a Gree ticket number reference to include in our inquiry about the alleged hacker
Quote:
Originally Posted by Keapa
has gree ever rejectes an inquiry from TAW? they have approved your players in the past with obvious hacked inventories. can you tell us when gree has ever said 'no' to you?
Gree wouldnt tell you anyway. they keep their investigations private. i understand you were desperate for players but you should have listened to sas and done as you were told. you and your syndicate wouldn't be in such an awful mess if you had.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Governor
What awful mess? They got first place.Quote:
Originally Posted by montecore
I am sure there is still more sas drama to come