Preemptive Strike! How to fix Guild Wars & Arena!

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Originally Posted by Eunuchorn

It's very possible Gree has beat me to the punch on this, but I firmly believe we need a pop up screen at the beginning of the war to choose & 6 armors that are then locked per knight for the duration war.

I can only pray they are tiering points above the LvL.100 range for Guild Wars. If they are doing this, they will surely apply the same theory to the Arena. We should also have a number added to our icon showing our total war points earned from here on out & use this number to match you w/ arena opponents.

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Is it just me or is this thread quite relevant? Looks like I had solved the 1-knight GM farming before it was even discovered.

3 knights need to be required in war, what reason is there to use less? So my enemy gets less bonus knight points? It is it's own stupid little circle of bad game design.

Add a war section to profile (maybe replace summoning stone, as I cannot even access/change this armor set without paying gems to summon a boss first)

-Lock armors (1 per knight)
-3 knight minimum during war
-more intricate point system

You are close to 1337 posts Mr. Eunuchorn. Stop right there!

Eun foresaw this months ago :eek:

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Originally Posted by Street Shark

Eun foresaw this months ago :eek:

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And yet people mocked him saying he was trying to change things to benefit himself...

the Sticky: **OFFICIAL** Feedback and Suggestions Thread! is other way

there should be diminishing returns on fighting/farming one player or give a XX% bonus for beating a character the first time, to stimulante people fighting other players.

having 1 knight or 3 knights wearing basic armors (or weak armors) wont solve the issue.

Greetings,
I have read this entire thread and I am still "in the fog"? What issue are we trying to solve by locking armors in GW? Is this mainly an IOS issue? I play on the Android side and I am part of a top 10 guild (Majestic) and I have never been "lucky enough" to war against someone wearing "basic armor" or putting in one player to fight?
Do other Android players see this happening often? If so, dang I am jelious as I would love to "rack up points" on some basic armor players :).

My two cents.

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Originally Posted by Timo2

Greetings,
I have read this entire thread and I am still "in the fog"? What issue are we trying to solve by locking armors in GW? Is this mainly an IOS issue? I play on the Android side and I am part of a top 10 guild (Majestic) and I have never been "lucky enough" to war against someone wearing "basic armor" or putting in one player to fight?
Do other Android players see this happening often? If so, dang I am jelious as I would love to "rack up points" on some basic armor players :).

My two cents.

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pretend you have a friend in another guild you are fighting. Both guilds GM remove 2 toons from their line up. Both guilds fight. That way both guilds get max points. It doesn't impact the outcome of the win, but it might have an impacts in the teams placement in the war.

I THINK this is what is ment

1 Knight GM farming seems a very simple thing to fix (coding aside, as I'm clueless there). Eun's suggestions would do it. Or you could just make points make sense. If a knight wearing one basic armor goes into battle... make it so you earn squat all. Add a 50% GM bonus to squat... guess what. Still squat.

Or lock the knights to to their armors... but if you do that, please make it clear up front GREE. Would hate to be surprised by something like that... or make points make sense. Maybe if I repeat myself enough it will happen...

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Originally Posted by Zyntree

1 Knight GM farming seems a very simple thing to fix (coding aside, as I'm clueless there). Eun's suggestions would do it. Or you could just make points make sense. If a knight wearing one basic armor goes into battle... make it so you earn squat all. Add a 50% GM bonus to squat... guess what. Still squat.

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That's a bad solution, because it creates an even worse abuse: GMs switch to a single knight to gimp their opponent's scoring opportunities.

Instead of locking armors, gree can change the point system based on your opponents armors. Offer point bonuses for beating players with higher tier maxed armors or deduct pts for beating players with lower tiered armors or unmaxed armors. This should quickly get rid of stripping and invoke more strategy during wars.

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Originally Posted by KOA

Instead of locking armors, gree can change the point system based on your opponents armors. Offer point bonuses for beating players with higher tier maxed armors or deduct pts for beating players with lower tiered armors or unmaxed armors. This should quickly get rid of stripping and invoke more strategy during wars.

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Does strategy include paying someone to infiltrate a guild to delete every member just before war starts? Sounds fun

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Originally Posted by Thatzme

Does strategy include paying someone to infiltrate a guild to delete every member just before war starts? Sounds fun

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People would do that?

Yup, i got $400 ready. If anyone wants to claim it, via paypal, you know what you gotta do...

















(sarcasm)

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Originally Posted by Thatzme

Does strategy include paying someone to infiltrate a guild to delete every member just before war starts? Sounds fun

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Nah, it's more like retiring and coming back more times than Brett Farve...

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Originally Posted by Thatzme

Does strategy include paying someone to infiltrate a guild to delete every member just before war starts? Sounds fun

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Funny how these hypocrite RR minions are quick to accuse other guilds of their own conspiracies, yet quick to deny any wrong doings their guild & ex/members are guilty of. Pathetic people indeed.

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Originally Posted by KOA

Nah, it's more like retiring and coming back more times than Brett Farve...

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True. Heard this old guy retired a million times already yet still coming back. Maybe he wants to sell his account like Rediye to get some money back.

@Alita & TheWiseOne:
Flagging Rediye's account for any illegal activities as he's selling his account to the highest bidder in LINE.

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Originally Posted by II King Mark II

Funny how these hypocrite RR minions are quick to accuse other guilds of their own conspiracies, yet quick to deny any wrong doings their guild & ex/members are guilty of. Pathetic people indeed.
True. Heard this old guy retired a million times already yet still coming back. Maybe he wants to sell his account like Rediye to get some money back.
@Alita & TheWiseOne:
Flagging Rediye's account for any illegal activities as he's selling his account to the highest bidder in LINE.

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Aww you're cute.

For the record, I created the coalition so my "retirees" can save up money & come back for certain wars. Even as low scorers, they are carrying all Rainbow guilds closer to top 10. If you have 3500 gems for one war, you can join RR for Epic+ & happily know there's a place for you in our family of guilds.

Rainbow will be top 10. We are always looking for free players to help build new Rainbow guilds as well!
So stop trying to falsely accuse us of things that aren't even worth attempting to prove actually is going on. Our goal is to bring the K&D community together. I already have 20+ top 200 guilds working together to abuse armor drop until Gree blesses us with a fix.

Get all your facts right before posting yeah? I've only retired once and am coming out of retirement to have a last hurrah with some close pals in RR just for old times sake.

Hey I've missed u Mark - KSA is only made possible becos of you. You have been the most consistent forum participant - consistent in throwing nonsense out just for witchhunt's sake.

Conspiracies? Never liked being a part of it - afaik we want to keep it drama free in RR but we seem to be bombarded by unwelcome external distractions. Take zip and UT for instance yeah?

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Originally Posted by KOA

Nah, it's more like retiring and coming back more times than Brett Farve...

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Except with more championship rings.

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Originally Posted by King Mark

My apologies for being a bit side tracked, I just finally realized no point talking to this guy. Regardless, Gree makes the decision and how they'd implement things for this GW. It's good we can voice out our opinions, but let's not be like the Thread Starter. No need for us fighting over our ideas because in the end, Gree does what they think should be done. But let's brace ourselves for any possible disappointments =)

Cheers!

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How many times have you rehearsed this part, pre-coitus?

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Originally Posted by Zyntree

1 Knight GM farming seems a very simple thing to fix (coding aside, as I'm clueless there). Eun's suggestions would do it. Or you could just make points make sense. If a knight wearing one basic armor goes into battle... make it so you earn squat all. Add a 50% GM bonus to squat... guess what. Still squat.

Or lock the knights to to their armors... but if you do that, please make it clear up front GREE. Would hate to be surprised by something like that... or make points make sense. Maybe if I repeat myself enough it will happen...

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that can't do that either or else everytime someone logs off they put on crappy armor so while they are gone people get no points from beating them

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Originally Posted by Eunuchorn

It's very possible Gree has beat me to the punch on this, but I firmly believe we need a pop up screen at the beginning of the war to choose a name & 6 armors that are then locked for the 3 day war. (1 armor per knight) this forces smart choice of Main knight armor.

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It'd be good for smart choices as u said and it'd be interesting but nah I don't like this: switching armors is a good thing of the game even when war comes,

if someone can't spend so much the only thing he can do to help own guild is being active and changing armors to kill a stronger opponent/avoid to be killed.

Moreover if armors were locked all those players based on a "several different elements maxed armors strategy" couldn't use all of them in a war but only a few.

War is not only "spend gems spend gems spend gems", it's funny to change armors.

Rather I'd like gree to implement more things like changing armors because wars are based on spending gems only, but I know this will never change :(

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Originally Posted by US GanjaBoy

It'd be good for smart choices as u said and it'd be interesting but nah I don't like this: switching armors is a good thing of the game even when war comes,

if someone can't spend so much the only thing he can do to help own guild is being active and changing armors to kill a stronger opponent/avoid to be killed.

Moreover if armors were locked all those players based on a "several different elements maxed armors strategy" couldn't use all of them in a war but only a few.

War is not only "spend gems spend gems spend gems", it's funny to change armors.

Rather I'd like gree to implement more things like changing armors because wars are based on spending gems only, but I know this will never change :(

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Locked armors still allows unlimited set ups & order of armors; but it forces strategy about which 6 armors you choose to be able to rotate during the war. It really makes mono epic choice very important, & you would have to try to cover all element counters with smart armor choice

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Originally Posted by Eunuchorn

Locked armors still allows unlimited set ups & order of armors; but it forces strategy about which 6 armors you choose to be able to rotate during the war. It really makes mono epic choice very important, & you would have to try to cover all element counters with smart armor choice

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And it prevents the whole "gm stripping" idea, and potentially eliminates the "gm farming" idea if you don't have the proper counters.

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Originally Posted by Thatzme

Conspiracies? Never liked being a part of it - afaik we want to keep it drama free in RR but we seem to be bombarded by unwelcome external distractions. Take zip and UT for instance yeah?

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This is probably the funniest thing I have read on the internet today. You certainly do have a knack for sarcasm.

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Originally Posted by BethMo

That's a bad solution, because it creates an even worse abuse: GMs switch to a single knight to gimp their opponent's scoring opportunities.

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Originally Posted by Smiley80

that can't do that either or else everytime someone logs off they put on crappy armor so while they are gone people get no points from beating them

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Yea, didn't think of that. Point taken. Bad idea. Still, the original idea by Eunuchorn is pretty legit. I wouldn't be too sad with only having 6 armors to work with. Would be kind of a bummer to not be able to switch my main, but all in the name of progress i s'pose

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Originally Posted by Thatzme

Does strategy include paying someone to infiltrate a guild to delete every member just before war starts? Sounds fun

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lol...

I also said they need to *REQUIRE 3 KNIGHTS FOR WAR* 10 point knight bonus? Who cares.
In the first war GMs were logging off in 1 armor & were worth crap points. So Gree fixed that & 1-knight GM spam was born.

Why would you have less than 3 knights in your war party?

SA Kill Bonus, Level Difference bonus, Armor Quality bonus, Opponent Armor Quality Bonus, Damage Taken Bonus

I could go on.

They need to make a true stats screen pop up after each fight with true factors translating directly from gameplay to reward.

K&D needs to be treated like a street fighter/mortal combat game.

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Originally Posted by Eunuchorn

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Why would you have less than 3 knights in your war party?
SA Kill Bonus, Level Difference bonus, Armor Quality bonus, Opponent Armor Quality Bonus, Damage Taken Bonus

They need to make a true stats screen pop up after each fight with true factors translating directly from gameplay to reward.
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omg yes. Make the points you earn sensible. Give them for real reasons, not RNG... requiring 3 knights as a minimum for wars would be a good fix for GM stripping... if the armors were set at the beginning, then GM could not equip lame basics. If required 3 knights / battle no one could abuse the system to make the opponent get crap points.

Then tell us why we earned the points we earned.

Diminishing returns that resets after 5 fights

fight 1: win 1 gives you 100% points
fight 2: win 2 gives you 90% points against the same opposant (or 100% against a different apponant)
fight 3: win 3 gives you 80% points against the same opponant (or 100% against a different apponant)
fight 4: win 4 gives you 70% points against the same opponant (or 100% against a different apponant)
fight 5: win 5 gives you 60% points against the same opponant (or 100% against a different apponant)
reset it after 5 fights

Farming the same person is a disavantage, but you can do it if you want. You can wear any gear you want.

Well, locking armours would probably make guardians more useful since you wouldn't want to stack a single element anymore.

I just don't find it appealing how the main knight is stuck with a single armour. In the battles that my guild faces, there is a "rock-paper-scissors" thing happening between beastmaster, maelstrom and blazeborne (we don't face top 10 guilds much). Having the main knight stuck with just one of them really limits how well you can match elements against an enemy sentinel, who already has a large boost.

I understand these points, but I would still be against locking armors.

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Originally Posted by bosskiller

I understand these points, but I would still be against locking armors.

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Then you don't understand the points I'm making. How many gems do you spend per war?

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Originally Posted by konofo

I interpreted your first message as wanting the 3 knight lineup, gear and all, locked in at the start, rather than having flexibility within all 6 knights for the event. That would be interesting, but not really much more restrictive than the complete openness that we have in arena. Most people don't have more than 6 armors they'd want to trot out, anyway.

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i do, i want to have 1 of each single element and 1 of each dual element... alot of times i a lil weaker then my opponents so i need the element advantage no matter what types they bring, if we all have the ability to switch between matches i think its all good, i do agree that this stripping thing should taken care of. maybe past a certain level gm should be required to have like ***armor or above or more att+def points then sentinel or smthn like that. also i think there should be 2 seperate wars, one for gem spenders and one for free players... cuz we dont stand a chance against these wallet warriors and it prevents us from getting stronger cuz all the good prizes go to pay to win guilds n players. or give extra chest keys and better armors for the guilds/players who use less gems but participate in wars/arena. or even a spending limit which if u go over it it puts u or ur guild in the pay to win bracket/group... this way u compete only with ppl who do the same... i love the game but feel like i have to be rich to get stronger

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Originally Posted by shade825

i do, i want to have 1 of each single element and 1 of each dual element... alot of times i a lil weaker then my opponents so i need the element advantage no matter what types they bring, if we all have the ability to switch between matches i think its all good, i do agree that this stripping thing should taken care of. maybe past a certain level gm should be required to have like ***armor or above or more att+def points then sentinel or smthn like that. also i think there should be 2 seperate wars, one for gem spenders and one for free players... cuz we dont stand a chance against these wallet warriors and it prevents us from getting stronger cuz all the good prizes go to pay to win guilds n players. or give extra chest keys and better armors for the guilds/players who use less gems but participate in wars/arena. or even a spending limit which if u go over it it puts u or ur guild in the pay to win bracket/group... this way u compete only with ppl who do the same... i love the game but feel like i have to be rich to get stronger

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Dude, why did you necrobump this?

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Originally Posted by Reversal

Dude, why did you necrobump this?

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to BS his way to 10posts to post his crappy guilds info

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Originally Posted by shade825

i do, i want to have 1 of each single element and 1 of each dual element... alot of times i a lil weaker then my opponents so i need the element advantage no matter what types they bring, if we all have the ability to switch between matches i think its all good, i do agree that this stripping thing should taken care of. maybe past a certain level gm should be required to have like ***armor or above or more att+def points then sentinel or smthn like that. also i think there should be 2 seperate wars, one for gem spenders and one for free players... cuz we dont stand a chance against these wallet warriors and it prevents us from getting stronger cuz all the good prizes go to pay to win guilds n players. or give extra chest keys and better armors for the guilds/players who use less gems but participate in wars/arena. or even a spending limit which if u go over it it puts u or ur guild in the pay to win bracket/group... this way u compete only with ppl who do the same... i love the game but feel like i have to be rich to get stronger

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