Admins - is getting stats from the "player database" cheating or not?

[TMI]

Again, in what way does it alter playing experience? Nobody so far has given an example of an altered playing experience - just some fairly tenuous claims as to how it might possibly be used to do so.

My example that I gave earlier.
I AM a player that has used this unauthorized third party software to increase my chances of successfully robbing a rival, thus modify my user experience. (He may have even been unable to buy a LTB because of me, and now he has been affected, not just at the time that I was robbing him blind, but his entire CC career, for that player, is affected as he’ll never have that increase in iph from the LTB, nor will his hood every be graced with that LTB)

[TMI]

My example that I gave earlier.
I AM a player that has used this unauthorized third party software to increase my chances of successfully robbing a rival, thus modify my user experience. (He may have even been unable to buy a LTB because of me, and now he has been affected, not just at the time that I was robbing him blind, but his entire CC career for that player is affected as he’ll never have that increase in iph from the LTB)

I also don’t think you’ll be successful in finding someone to state my above sentence, not because such a person doesn’t exist, but because it may be seen as self-incriminating.

[TMI]

I will add that, I don't feel there should be any serious repercussions for those who are able to collect data like this- so long as that's all that they're doing with this info. Afterall it's on GREE for not properly encrypting said data (and even then, a serious hacker could decrypt it). Those who are maliciously using this information, though, they need to be sorted out and removed from the game.

This argument can be made for a “true” hacker (true meaning, what most ppl here would agree is a hacker, gold, items, etc). It’s GREE’s fault for not putting appropriate safeguards/walls (I’m not sure of the computer terms, so please excuse me) to prevent me from doing what I am doing.

[TMI]

In summary I think most ppl here are arguing about the “spirit” or “intent” of the TOS. I was referring to just the straight text of the TOS. This is why I was careful to state that a violation of TOS (from a strict reading of the text) does not necessarily that players should be banned. That next step of banning might involve, not the strict reading of the text of the TOS, but rather the intent or spirit of the TOS. There are also pragmatic concerns regarding banning players that would have to be taken into account.
I think the disconnect between opposing arguments here, as far as the TOS sentence are twofold.
1. The applicable definition of modifying.
2. Confusion over the intent vs strict reading of the TOS (I was only referring to the strict reading)

Also for those annoyed with me, i'd like to apologize as a may have hijacked this thread "are these ppl cheaters" with my question regarding the reading of the TOS sentence. in retrospect, i probably should have either started a new thread or pm those whose insight i wanted.
Aaaand, i think i'm done. thanks again for those with the thoughtful responses.

[jmeijer]

You could've used multi quote.

[Mistress Nikita]

You could've used multi quote.

I still wouldn't have read it. He's already said it all before about 20 times.

[Ragmondino]

My example that I gave earlier.
I AM a player that has used this unauthorized third party software to increase my chances of successfully robbing a rival, thus modify my user experience. (He may have even been unable to buy a LTB because of me, and now he has been affected, not just at the time that I was robbing him blind, but his entire CC career, for that player, is affected as he’ll never have that increase in iph from the LTB, nor will his hood every be graced with that LTB)

It's all ifs and buts and maybes. There is zero evidence this ever happened.
People are trying to hard to prove something that never happened.
They can keep saying "they could do this" or "they may of done that" but it never happened. Stop reading more into this than there is.

[TMI]

You could've used multi quote.

I don't know how to do that.

[TMI]

It's all ifs and buts and maybes. There is zero evidence this ever happened.
People are trying to hard to prove something that never happened.
They can keep saying "they could do this" or "they may of done that" but it never happened. Stop reading more into this than there is.

I'm not trying to prove something that is not. bald zeemer asked for an example, and i gave one.. I'm not reading more into this. In fact, i think i've read into it far less than others, as i've only been asking about the reading of the TOS, not the intent, or whether ppl should be banned cuz of it, or anything like that. my interest was specifically one thing. According to the strict reading of the TOS would it be a violation of TOS if a user used that unauthorized third party software? Nothing more than that. I thought i made that clear from the very original post when i asked that question.

[jmeijer]

I don't know how to do that.

Button at the right of 'Reply With Quote'.

[TMI]

Button at the right of 'Reply With Quote'.

I don't know how to do that.

You could've used multi quote.

OMG! Thanks so much! That's awesome! Live and learn

[cave man kid]

Just to make sure I understand this right all the player data base is doing is reading all the information GREE sends to their cellphone or what ever they play on
Thank you bald zeemer I am sure it was a lot of work for you to have to explain it in such depth but I am happy with the expiations you gave and have a better understanding of it now

[TMI]

I still wouldn't have read it. He's already said it all before about 20 times.

lol. Fortunately, or unfortunately, you were not one of the few ppl whose insights into this matter I wanted. If, for example, bald zeemer posted what you just did, I admit, I would feel down.

Sorry. If you'd like, I can use my new found knowledge of using multi-quotes to compare and contrast the level of discourse of yours vs BZ's posts regarding this matter?

As i said early, i maybe should have just PMed the few ppl whose well thought out opinions I was looking for. On the other hand, reading Cave man kid's most recent post, i'm encouraged that perhaps posting it like this was better, as more ppl have been graced with thoughtful insight into this matter, as cave man kid did.

cheers

[Mistress Nikita]

But sugarbear, you don't understand. I already had a whole thread about this subject once a few months ago. I deleted it after some poor guy got in a little trouble after trying to explain to the idiots around here the difference between the UDID hacking SAS did and data-sniffing. It went on for about 20 pages, and went no-where, just like this one is. And, the only mod actions or input in that thread, was in regard to discussing UDID hacking. People went into great detail on how to data read. Too bad you weren't around then.

[TMI]

oh. i didn't know that. thank you for the background. I guess that would explain your frustration in this thread. And it IS too bad i wasn't around then. i've only started coming on this forum for a little over a month now. And i only found out that this forum existed a month before that lol. I hope that thread still searchable. i promise not to necro it lol, but i'm interested for the read