A response to your concerns regarding cheaters and taking a step forward together

[Kjctnorris]

Any news about the hacker guilds? We faced several already with level 10 walls!

Those are legit guilds. GREE posted it on the Internet, therefore, it is true.

[Jeshu]

Those are legit guilds. GREE posted it on the Internet, therefore, it is true.

Yeah it's like saying that big brother doesn't spy on us...

[Loch]

Greetings All -- New to the forums. Question: what is the significance of 60 member guilds, and why does 58 members vs. 60 members matter? Just a brief history and synopsis would be great. I also don't completely understand how this relates to cheating beyond the obvious math issues of gold contribution. Please fill me in, thanks!!! - Loch

[Shinazueli]

Greetings All -- New to the forums. Question: what is the significance of 60 member guilds, and why does 58 members vs. 60 members matter? Just a brief history and synopsis would be great. I also don't completely understand how this relates to cheating beyond the obvious math issues of gold contribution. Please fill me in, thanks!!! - Loch

Every aspect of the game is easier with more people, and the other bonuses that theses guilds have unlocked to get those bonuses available.

[Fredcole]

This is beating a dead horse. Let's start a new thread for a debate between the members from 60 member guilds against the non 60 member guilds. Maybe something will be done after hearing both sides. Just a suggestion. Please don't kill me.

Well Sirius started this thread, so what is better then to get the 60 members guild folks to wiew their side in here?

My guess there is a reason why they dont comment in here, or at all.

[Tyus]

Something needs to be done - the amount of spending by some clans is unfathomable

[klevito]

Wow .....Shocking......still no response about hackers

Let me get this straight ......you want us to believe that there are legitamate guilds fully maxed out because someone or many people spent 100K to max the guild out and then said im done.......Yeah right!!!!!

clearly they must be!!! i mean its immpossible for someone to spend a couple grand on a game! Just saying.

Shinazueli........is correct......dont accuse without proof!!

You seem more "bend-able" than Nadia Comăneci . You must be/have been a crow

[Skyraiders]

You seem more "bend-able" than Nadia Comăneci . You must be/have been a crow

LMAO...seriously you got me.......yes I am a CROW.......just saying if the person has that kind of money to burn buying gold instead of gems to max out the guild and then does not finish in the top 5 because he has no gems..?? I don't know ...just seems backwards to me???

[Ratma2001]

LMAO...seriously you got me.......yes I am a CROW.......just saying if the person has that kind of money to burn buying gold instead of gems to max out the guild and then does not finish in the top 5 because he has no gems..?? I don't know ...just seems backwards to me???

It's not backwards if you hacked the gold like they did, I am 100% certain they did,you are 100% certain they did, so are many others and Gree is 0.05% they did because they need the hacker to lift the gem sales and usage so they keep them in, and don't want to hurt the poor diddums feelings....what a crock, they didn't worry about me when they changed they LTQ half way through! They didn't care about me when they ripped me blind from the server stuff up last war, so please give me a break and fix this issue! It's gone on long enough!!

[klevito]

LMAO...seriously you got me.......yes I am a CROW.......just saying if the person has that kind of money to burn buying gold instead of gems to max out the guild and then does not finish in the top 5 because he has no gems..?? I don't know ...just seems backwards to me???

Sky, what i was getting at was:

On the issue of "Guilds with 60 members", you apply logic and common sense to reach a conclusion.
You do not back it up with facts.

On the issue of "opening 100+ boxes, within few hours", you demand facts to reach a conclusion.

I am not discussion those two issues, but the fact that throughout forums posts (as Ratma very well illustrates, I think, you think, he thinks therefore it's the truth), the oppinion or common sense of a group of people is presented as the god's truth and only truth

"We think it makes sense to spend xxxxx ammount of money to open 300 boxes" ==== legit
"We think it makes no sense to spend xxxxx anmmount of money to unlock guild bonuses" =====not legit

Like i said.......Nadia

[itsaklayton]

All Gree needs to do is ask for the iTunes receipts to prove the purchases. They do in other instances. No receipts, no proof. Simple.

[Shinazueli]

Sky, what i was getting at was:

On the issue of "Guilds with 60 members", you apply logic and common sense to reach a conclusion.
You do not back it up with facts.

On the issue of "opening 100+ boxes, within few hours", you demand facts to reach a conclusion.

I am not discussion those two issues, but the fact that throughout forums posts (as Ratma very well illustrates, I think, you think, he thinks therefore it's the truth), the oppinion or common sense of a group of people is presented as the god's truth and only truth

"We think it makes sense to spend xxxxx ammount of money to open 300 boxes" ==== legit
"We think it makes no sense to spend xxxxx anmmount of money to unlock guild bonuses" =====not legit

Like i said.......Nadia

Allow me to copy and paste your post to illustrate why he is correct, and not flexible.

"We think it makes sense to spend xxxxx ammount of money to open 300 boxes" and have been presented with iTunes receipts to prove it==== legit
"We think it makes no sense to spend 100 timesxxxxx amount of money to unlock guild bonuses"while having crap stats and xxxxx honor units and no guild rank to speak of.=====not legit


This is well beyond the opinion of a group of forumites. It's not even up for discussion. It's fact. Google 'define fact':



PS: your very premise is flawed. The whole scientific community relies on this thing called consensus, backed up by repeatable experiments and data. (I can very repeatedly go into my game, open my newsfeed, and find a reported hacker.) But everything we "know" is based on consensus. So arguing that just because everyone thinks something doesn't make it true is fine, but the burden of proof lies with the minority opinion. Not the majority.

PPS: anyone else want to say (or even remotely imply) 60 member guilds are legit? I'm having fun. It's almost as much fun as arguing with Creationists. Almost.

[Ratma2001]

Agreed Shin,but what is Gree doing about this....! Why taking so long to post something!

[klevito]

Shinauzeli.

In most cases those who need to raise the voice (triple font size and make it bold for a whole paragraph) to make a point, don't have one.
It is not comfortable to read, but still i did pay attention and hit another bump when (as it often happens nowdays where many who spend more time on web than outside think "google search = source of truth") you brought the definition of a word from a web search engine.

"I am right. Google it if you don't believe me"

Try oxford dictionaries as a more educative and academic source of english words definition. You will get something like:

noun
a thing that is known or proved to be true:

Which is different from what you and your google pals believe to be called "fact"

This is well beyond the opinion of a group of forumites. It's not even up for discussion. It's fact. Google 'define fact':
The whole scientific community relies on this thing called consensus, backed up by repeatable experiments and data. .

And to follow a bunch of personal opinion by how "the scientists conduct experiments" doesn't make your opinion part of that community, dear forumite fellow.


And finally if it interests you, google the difference between Theory and proof and apply what you learn to our conversation.

[Shinazueli]

Shinauzeli.

In most cases those who need to raise the voice (triple font size and make it bold for a whole paragraph) to make a point, don't have one.
It is not comfortable to read, but still i did pay attention and hit another bump when (as it often happens nowdays where many who spend more time on web than outside think "google search = source of truth") you brought the definition of a word from a web search engine.

"I am right. Google it if you don't believe me"

Try oxford dictionaries as a more educative and academic source of english words definition. You will get something like:

noun
a thing that is known or proved to be true:

Which is different from what you and your google pals believe to be called "fact"



And to follow a bunch of personal opinion by how "the scientists conduct experiments" doesn't make your opinion part of that community, dear forumite fellow.


And finally if it interests you, google the difference between Theory and proof and apply what you learn to our conversation.

The difference between two dictionaries? It's still fact. An indisputable fact: the scientific data we've gathered through repeatable experiments (aka playing the game) does not support the premise that these guilds are legitimate. It's "highly improbable" which where I work means just about impossible. Close enough to certainty for engineering.

The only difference between our "theory" and their "proof" is a few PhDs. Nothing can ever be "proven". Just enough to satisfy doubters. Of which there are not very many left. The world is flat, dinosaurs and men roamed the earth at the same time, sixty member guilds are legitimate. Pattern? Each of these things could be true, if you want to bury your head in the sand.

Finally, to rebut a statement you've made, many of us are in fact members of the scientific community, and although I made an analogy between this one and that one, I didn't infer that we are all scientists. I did infer that we tend to form arguments, data, and theories like they do, and that our consensus carries the same weight as theirs.

Also, drunken midnight forum posting = nono. Still funny, but probably would have toned it down a but.

Edit: the responses in this thread are because the mod came on and said the equivalent of "The earth is flat." I'd expect anyone to be lambasted for seriously doing that, and he is/was.