The Killshot Challenge

[montecore]

The reason the date isnt shown is the SS wouldn't fit the whole thing. Also had the players name in it and out of respect for forum rules, I didn't post that part. Care to retract your claim of date?



I never said that it was to you. That was to vlad. Sorry I didn't clarify there.

the point you are missing is that it still is not clear if he cheated. it isnt like he had 10 koralene cars or something. the fact is his story holds up against the evidence even if the evidence looks suspicious. it isnt like he ever said he cheated, and vlad certainly looked into it and was probably just defending sas and someone who was on the team at that point. but here is your good news: the player in question is not on the team, and gree is looking into your accusations. if they find he cheated i will gladly apologize to you, mxz, and anyone else and acknowledge i was wrong. until then, i will continue to say that i believe he is innocent.

[AFed]

Some people still aren't convinced he's a cheater. It's a judgement call and I don't hold it against anyone who wanted to give a guy whose son is undergoing cancer treatment the benefit of the doubt, especially when the only authority to know the truth hadn't convicted him. You may think it's a flaw that Vlad was unwilling to turn his back on his friend based on pure supposition. I don't. I admire him for it. I also respect that he asked me to look into any allegations of cheating, including yours, even though he knew where it could have led. If you want to hold all 60 of us men and women accountable for Vlad's actions, then I'm sure we'll all be proud to stand by him.

With all due respect, if you look at my screenshot posted above in the conversation with him, he pretty adamantly said "He's not a cheater, don't point fingers at legit players." In the beginning of the thread, he made the same assertion rather arrogantly, and claimed to be anti-cheat. We all know how terrible GREE support is with cash hacks. Never once did he even consider the facts presented to him. If someone had a problem with HTC, we'd expect them to go to Raggy/Henry/CJ to start. If they acted stupidly, I'd expect that he/she would be incredibly frustrated.

It's also worth mentioning these facts were presented pre-devaluation. So this is the equivalent to someone currently having 500 of ALL current max cash items. Seem legit? I'm pretty sure nobody would. Can't argue with math.

I certainly don't have a problem with all of SAS. To name a couple, Call 911 and Frankie da Face I've interacted with ingame and respect them a lot.

[Ty1on]

Some people still aren't convinced he's a cheater. It's a judgement call and I don't hold it against anyone who wanted to give a guy whose son is undergoing cancer treatment the benefit of the doubt, especially when the only authority to know the truth hadn't convicted him. You may think it's a flaw that Vlad was unwilling to turn his back on his friend based on pure supposition. I don't. I admire him for it. I also respect that he asked me to look into any allegations of cheating, including yours, even though he knew where it could have led. If you want to hold all 60 of us men and women accountable for Vlad's actions, then I'm sure we'll all be proud to stand by him.

Sux man... I've lost a few friends to cancer and one of them in particular crushed me... I remember them all as the great human beings they were, and none of them cheated anything!

[MattThomas08]

With all due respect, if you look at my screenshot posted above in the conversation with him, he pretty adamantly said "He's not a cheater, don't point fingers at legit players." In the beginning of the thread, he made the same assertion rather arrogantly, and claimed to be anti-cheat. We all know how terrible GREE support is with cash hacks. Never once did he even consider the facts presented to him. If someone had a problem with HTC, we'd expect them to go to Raggy/Henry/CJ to start. If they acted stupidly, I'd expect that he/she would be incredibly frustrated.

It's also worth mentioning these facts were presented pre-devaluation. So this is the equivalent to someone currently having 500 of ALL current max cash items. Seem legit? I'm pretty sure nobody would. Can't argue with math.

I certainly don't have a problem with all of SAS. To name a couple, Call 911 and Frankie da Face I've interacted with ingame and respect them a lot.

If people like 911 and Frankie are all it takes to earn your respect, I've got 58 other guys and girls you would just adore! 😉😉😉

[montecore]

With all due respect, if you look at my screenshot posted above in the conversation with him, he pretty adamantly said "He's not a cheater, don't point fingers at legit players." In the beginning of the thread, he made the same assertion rather arrogantly, and claimed to be anti-cheat. We all know how terrible GREE support is with cash hacks. Never once did he even consider the facts presented to him. If someone had a problem with HTC, we'd expect them to go to Raggy/Henry/CJ to start. Ifo they acted stupidly, I'd expect that he/she would be incredibly frustrated.

It's also worth mentioning these facts were presented pre-devaluation. So this is the equivalent to someone currently having 500 of ALL current max cash items. Seem legit? I'm pretty sure nobody would. Can't argue with math.

I certainly don't have a problem with all of SAS. To name a couple, Call 911 and Frankie da Face I've interacted with ingame and respect them a lot.

god this is getting boring.

1) yes, the evidence looked fishy.
2) his story holds up, even prior to inflation.
3) it is in gree's hands

we arent going to beat him with shovels until gree is done with their investigation. i encourage you to ride them as hard as possible to get a conclusive judgment.

[mxz]

While a terrible situation - I'd never wish cancer on anyone, let alone their kid - let's not lose sight of what we're talking about. Upwards of 15 vaults of in game cash to buy cash weapons rather than gold for crates. Is there a chance that someone would drop 15 vaults on in-game cash when medical bills are piling up so that they could buy cash weapons rather than crates? Yeah, I suppose there's that chance - but, if it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck...then it probably is a duck.

[AFed]

2) his story holds up, even prior to inflation.

So you're saying it would be legit if you saw a player today with 500 of the max cash gun, shuriken, armor, and tank? Come on son.

[Ty1on]

3) it is in gree's hands

we arent going to beat him with shovels until gree is done with their investigation. i encourage you to ride them as hard as possible to get a conclusive judgment.

There ya go...

[Killshot-CC]

he pretty adamantly said "He's not a cheater, don't point fingers at legit players." In the beginning of the thread, he made the same assertion rather arrogantly, and claimed to be anti-cheat. We all know how terrible GREE support is with cash hacks. Never once did he even consider the facts presented to him. If someone had a problem with HTC, we'd expect them to go to Raggy/Henry/CJ to start. If they acted stupidly, I'd expect that he/she would be incredibly frustrated.

You're not saying anything that I haven't already said. Vlad still doesn't believe he cheated and he has every right to that opinion. He did consider what you told him, he just doesn't agree with you. You do not have facts, you have anecdotal evidence that someone who has a really high IPH bought really expensive items. If GREE support who has access to data that we do not are "terrible" at confirming cash hackers, why would you assume that Vlad would have to be better? As you said, you'd expect someone to go to 3 people in your alliance "to start." You went to one and stopped. Then mxz who has never been part of this conversation started telling people we were all cheaters and posted that we didn't deserve winning the PvP. Is that what our procedure should be? Should I just post on HTC-Blue's wall an accusation and when he fails to do what I want in the time that I want, we should just call everyone on your team cheaters? That seems a little childish to me.

The only facts here are first, I asked mxz for a name and for three weeks he couldn't produce one and likely never would have, and, second, I have proven to be a man of my word who takes allegations of hacking seriously despite all the attempts to suggest otherwise.

[MattThomas08]

While a terrible situation - I'd never wish cancer on anyone, let alone their kid - let's not lose sight of what we're talking about. Upwards of 15 vaults of in game cash to buy cash weapons rather than gold for crates. Is there a chance that someone would drop 15 vaults on in-game cash when medical bills are piling up so that they could buy cash weapons rather than crates? Yeah, I suppose there's that chance - but, if it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck...then it probably is a duck.

Irrelevant, the purchases would have taken place prior to the medical bills. If you have good insurance like mine, there's a chance the medical bills wouldn't be that high. Speaking of ducks, what about Aflac?

Regardless, I think the horse is dead and has been for some time. It's in Gree's hands. Suspicious, yes. Conclusive, no. Gone, yes. Canwomenpeestandingup, no.

[montecore]

While a terrible situation - I'd never wish cancer on anyone, let alone their kid - let's not lose sight of what we're talking about. Upwards of 15 vaults of in game cash to buy cash weapons rather than gold for crates. Is there a chance that someone would drop 15 vaults on in-game cash when medical bills are piling up so that they could buy cash weapons rather than crates? Yeah, I suppose there's that chance - but, if it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck...then it probably is a duck.

Within the syndicate, he acknowledged that spending cash on the upgrades was a stupid/rookie move in hind sight. He also said he was embarrassed by how much he had spent on the game but i also know based on his income level and profession it really isn't much money to him regardless of the medical bills.

I'll make the same points for a fourth or fifth time since that seems to be what this thread is about:

1) I do not disagree that the evidence looks questionable, and that it indeed "quacks like a duck".
2) Regardless, his story holds up against the math. he bought vaults of cash to upgrade night clubs which is where he got the cash for the items. if he used other purchased cash for items i don't recall, but i don't think he said he did.
3) In addition to point #2, I have my own reasons for believing him which I am not going to post here.
4) Gree has heard you loud and clear. They are investigating him. Please push them and put some of the energy you use trying to discredit our relatively successful and quite anti-hacker syndicate on the forum into getting them to provide a conclusive judgment. If he is found guilty and I am indeed wrong, I will gladly offer a public apology to you and anyone else.

[Ty1on]

It's in Gree's hands. Suspicious, yes. Conclusive, no. Gone, yes. Canwomenpeestandingup, no.

That's the problem... Gree doesn't ban cheaters. The syndicate should be responsible enough to get rid of cheaters if there's enough evidence. Most top syndicates do, but you're saying SAS doesn't?

[Tomatoneverdie]

I ran into a player I reported 2,3 weeks ago for having 500+ Doomsday frags. Apparently he is legit because Gree hasn't banned him. Now I feel really bad for calling him a cheat. I am sorry, whoever you are....

[montecore]

That's the problem... Gree doesn't ban cheaters. The syndicate should be responsible enough to get rid of cheaters if there's enough evidence. Most top syndicates do, but you're saying SAS doesn't?

SAS is 100% anti-hacker/cheater/glitcher and has a zero tolerance policy. The issue with this one player is that it isn't clear if he cheated or not. The fact that he is no longer with the syndicate in spite of the fact that his cheating is inconclusive should actually speak volumes about our anti-cheating stance. I can assure you that if we ever saw someone who clearly cheated in the syndicate they would be removed immediately, reported to Gree, and hunted relentlessly.

[AFed]

2) Regardless, his story holds up against the math. he bought vaults of cash to upgrade night clubs which is where he got the cash for the items. if he used other purchased cash for items i don't recall, but i don't think he said he did.
3) In addition to point #2, I have my own reasons for believing him which I am not going to post here.

You're certainly entitled to your own opinion and I've never suggested anything to the contrary. But not to your own math. If you're gonna say it holds up, show the math. If you can't, I have nothing more to say in this matter.