Jman, enough. Vega is right, most of the others have seen and aknoeledged it. Stop the digs and maybe everyone will stop. Orange, I play a number of different war games. In everyone of them, I will get my ass handed to me, until or if I spend big bucks. Some people play those games and seem to just want to farm and be left alone ( hint, don't play war games then, there are games better suited to that style of play) newbies getting their rears served is nothing new, I've certainly started enough accounts over time from scratch and had my ass handed to me many times. It is what it is. In a way it was almost more fun not worrying about having to keep up with the sups, the birds, or any other top players. It was amazing how upset people would get with me wiping their feed with my loses. They'd even ask whether or not I realized I was losing. You just have to adjust your thinking based on where you are at. I still did over 5 mil wd points once with an account starting at 30k and ended up at 130k by the end of the event. I just had to carefully pick my targets, and go like crazy when I found one I could hit. At times I hit the wall to help with battles that were close. If someone is going to be discouraged by the bigger fish in the sea there are a couple of choices. one is quit. The other is spend lots of money to not be the small fry. Or adjust your thinking and deal with it as war game. I think that situation has been around a very long time. I saw some monsters down low as I brought that game up. They wiped me around a bit before I passed their level and found a new mosnster to get decimated by. Eventually that game became a mid size game