Looks like Stats have no relevance in battles anymore

[good gawd noooo]

I honestly don't get all the fuss. If you're active and get the equipment, you'll be fine. It's a percentage of the win/loss decision. This early on, it will be swayed heavily to seem unfair to "campers" if you're not gathering equipment. That's on you, not Gree.

Equipment is not handed out in the forums. Go collect it and quit'cher belly-achin'

it is a simple statement of fact. people have spent a lot of time and money or a ton of time and a little money trying to get to the top of the pile. Gree's new change has basically rendered it all completely useless. Due to display glitches in 5.0 I have no clue what my stats actually are to base if I should attack or not. Secondly due to the equipment now playing a HUGE factor even if they are displayed correctly you can still lose to unseen advantages due to avatar equipment. Player spent three years (and yes it is just a game a game they played very well, only to have all the rules changed) building up a good player above average or maybe even a beast among same lvl accounts. One of the things I loved about this game was the simple strategy involved to build a strong account. max Unit buildings up your iph as much as possible complete as many faction side events(and solo in sync) and kick butt in war and fl and you would grow an awesome account. The logic was also simple if your stronger you win... now the logic is you can be insanely stronger but if your avatar isn't equipped your back to square one. Your are also basing you statement on assuming that all the unhappy players are all campers. I am the leader and one of the most active players in my faction on BOTH accounts I run. SO I am far from a camper and I am still VERY unhappy about these changes. All the effort I spent three years building up has been wasted and yes I get it is just a game and when it ends it will be wasted as well. I am far from the strongest of players but for my level I think I do well I am not the strongest on my team but I am in the top 5. I have been debating taking a break from the game due to the fact it was becoming a job... instead now I am seriously thinking of just walking away from the game since it is NOT the game I fell in love with its become a farce of the game I loved. Couple these new upgrades with constant glitches for last few months I honestly believe gree is doing its best to run people off. With the massive failures of recents months and the ios lockout for 6 weeks and this new update that it so glitched it will take months to sort out even IF they don't add anything new. To changing the entire war/pvp/stat makeup of the game so that basically none of the old rules apply... Any person that is management or runs a business or even has a clue of what should be going on will see what gree has been doing is like the book on how to ruin a game in 8 weeks or less

[good gawd noooo]

I'm active. What 'player B' has done or will do has no hearing on how I play the game. I don't need to worry about what equipment someone will have because I more than likely have the same or very close to it. And even if I didnt, I welcome back defensive wins with wide open arms and a smile. HELLO STRATEGY!

The same people griping about the equipment also moan about skill points not working. We have NEVER known what someone's skill points were before an attack. So here ya go... a working "skill point" system you can change in the fly. Again... STRATEGY!

I can't convince you to play a way you are uncomfortable or unfamiliar with so I'll just end with what I've been saying all along... If you don't want to play the game, quit. This IS the game now and no matter what the forum-moaners say, this will be good for the game.

/rant over

if you think a high percentage of long term gold players leaving the game and you think players that walk away with a huge distaste for anything with the gree logo on it is good for the game.. then yes you are absolutely correct. this is not a simple cut and dry picture here/ Glad you like this new version that's awesome you prolly haven't been playing for 3 years. Many light to heavy gold users are just fed up and this isn't the ONLY reason they will walk away but it maybe the straw that broke the camels back. the original point of the post is that the stats everyone works so hard to build mean very little and that is 100% true. so quit bashing the guy that started the post .. and he is also correct that now its all about accessories instead of units.. he clearly stated that he will hold gold use for events that give accessories and NOT chase after units that mean nothing. I really thin Tony just had to pipe up to try to make himself look smart and he FAILED. If he read everything he would of realized the posts made state pretty much the same thing he was droning on about.. oh well cant help the stupid people but he should feel right at home with gree

[SUPpose So]

I see math isn't your strong point. Let me know when you can grab a calculator and are willing to understand simple addition and percentages.

PS, I don't fly planes or actively defend anything. (I believe you mean defenSe)

DEFENCE, dear boy is the correct spelling... Lol

[SUPpose So]

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if you think a high percentage of long term gold players leaving the game and you think players that walk away with a huge distaste for anything with the gree logo on it is good for the game.. then yes you are absolutely correct. this is not a simple cut and dry picture here/ Glad you like this new version that's awesome you prolly haven't been playing for 3 years. Many light to heavy gold users are just fed up and this isn't the ONLY reason they will walk away but it maybe the straw that broke the camels back. the original point of the post is that the stats everyone works so hard to build mean very little and that is 100% true. so quit bashing the guy that started the post .. and he is also correct that now its all about accessories instead of units.. he clearly stated that he will hold gold use for events that give accessories and NOT chase after units that mean nothing. I really thin Tony just had to pipe up to try to make himself look smart and he FAILED. If he read everything he would of realized the posts made state pretty much the same thing he was droning on about.. oh well cant help the stupid people but he should feel right at home with gree

Agree totally. +1.... +3....... Oh and a masters level19. +9

[Major Elvis Newton]

Yes pvp is totally ****ed for all of us in the billions who spent real money getting there.

[Staffordbhoy]

I don't know if the effect is quite as high as we are thinking. I have 4 players from level 140 to level 275, stats from 4bn attack to 15bn. I have attacked 10 rivals on each, all of which were higher ranks than me and only lost once.
Those of us who have played a long time will remember exactly the same uproar when they brought in units with 40,000 plus stats. We used to have to spend a fortune winning something that big then other night everyone around us caught up. I was the biggest stats player in my faction and dropped to average. A year or so on I'm one of the biggest again.

[Tony81]

I don't know if the effect is quite as high as we are thinking. I have 4 players from level 140 to level 275, stats from 4bn attack to 15bn. I have attacked 10 rivals on each, all of which were higher ranks than me and only lost once.
Those of us who have played a long time will remember exactly the same uproar when they brought in units with 40,000 plus stats. We used to have to spend a fortune winning something that big then other night everyone around us caught up. I was the biggest stats player in my faction and dropped to average. A year or so on I'm one of the biggest again.

Exactly. If you play as you're supposed to, you have nothing to cry about.

All of this uproar is like buying new corvette a few years ago and then when Chevy comes out with a new more-powerful one, you cry because you spent so much on a slower one. Don't like it? Spend more or go buy a different car.

I suggest everyone take that gold money and go by some Kleenex and tampons.

[SUPpose So]

Exactly. If you play as you're supposed to, you have nothing to cry about.

All of this uproar is like buying new corvette a few years ago and then when Chevy comes out with a new more-powerful one, you cry because you spent so much on a slower one. Don't like it? Spend more or go buy a different car.

I suggest everyone take that gold money and go by some Kleenex and tampons.

You are missing the point Tony but nevermind... Its only an app game... Plenty more out there with far less hassle...

happy Xmas

[smbass77]

Perhaps I"m wrong, but this equipment seems just like all the temp boosts. Active players will all get the same things, there by negating the att/def from equipment....so stats are still king.

yes, people who can do Masters itq can get more items. But typically those are the strongest players anyway.

To me, seems like this just puts more distance between the active daily players and the non-daily players.

[Tony81]

Perhaps I"m wrong, but this equipment seems just like all the temp boosts. Active players will all get the same things, there by negating the att/def from equipment....so stats are still king.

yes, people who can do Masters itq can get more items. But typically those are the strongest players anyway.

To me, seems like this just puts more distance between the active daily players and the non-daily players.

Sure does! Hence my "goodbye campers" reference.

And I just like to argue things that don't compute. Forgive me for me rants. Ha. Merry Christmas to you too SUPpose

[Stubby1113]

Tony I was agreeing with you until my last attack. More than double att to def. 9-1 on army equipment. 4-15 on soldier equipment. By Gree's numbers I should have won but no I lost. This really needs to be clarified by gree.

[Tony81]

Tony I was agreeing with you until my last attack. More than double att to def. 9-1 on army equipment. 4-15 on soldier equipment. By Gree's numbers I should have won but no I lost. This really needs to be clarified by gree.

If you listed those correctly, that's totalling 13-16 with you down (without factoring in the 30%/20% deciding factors). I wouldn't say that that's enough of a disparity to say it's broken. The breakdown being 50/20/30 means everything is taken into factor. I'm not going to breakdown every attack I do because I don't care enough (haha) but as numbers grow, the "what the heck" moments will disappear.

[Kefa]

You are missing the point Tony but nevermind... Its only an app game... Plenty more out there with far less hassle...

happy Xmas

Don't you know, it's "Merry Xmas"? hahaha, sorry... couldn't help it

A few people still don't know that there are some slight language differences between UK and U.S.

[Stubby1113]

If you listed those correctly, that's totalling 13-16 with you down (without factoring in the 30%/20% deciding factors). I wouldn't say that that's enough of a disparity to say it's broken. The breakdown being 50/20/30 means everything is taken into factor. I'm not going to breakdown every attack I do because I don't care enough (haha) but as numbers grow, the "what the heck" moments will disappear.

Each section is rated independently so the 13-16 doesn't come into play.

[truthteller]

If you listed those correctly, that's totalling 13-16 with you down (without factoring in the 30%/20% deciding factors). I wouldn't say that that's enough of a disparity to say it's broken. The breakdown being 50/20/30 means everything is taken into factor. I'm not going to breakdown every attack I do because I don't care enough (haha) but as numbers grow, the "what the heck" moments will disappear.

As per greeD statement, you have to win 2 out of the 3 factors, thus that implies you have to account for them individually
so, yes, Stubby1113 SHOULD had win, you cannot "combine" two factors into one (30/20) becuase it defeat its purposes (as per gree)

then again we are dealing with gree Math and Gree logic..........which means all is working as it should and was intented to.................