A personal view and decision about the current boss event

[Vendetta V]

It's not really free because they'll level too much after doing 100 bosses. With the amount of stat inflation, that one-off prize doesn't make much of a difference. If I were a LLP, I wouldn't trade 40-50 level ups for that one-off stat gain. The low level advantage would be lost and the chance to win the streak rewards would be reduced.

In essence your trading one reward for another. This is just not worth the XP gain.

Our guild member finished the 100 kills, he levelled up 7 levels, he is a LLP started mid-lv.27 and is now lv.34.
Meanwhile he picked up many high stat rewards along the way, we expected he would level up much more, but the few levels was acceptable. It did cost him a few hundred gems to do this.

[Bloodsucker]

But you miss one crucial point in your answer... You get your stats in llp almost for free due to gree balance pffff things. Top players with current great stats did invest loads off money.

So can you explain how it would be fair to get smaller players close the gap for free while others paid a lot to get there and now are getting punished for making gree rich in the first place?

I hope you see where the 'issue' is. By the way... I dont have anything against. Smaller players being able to close the gap but only if it requires same effort as others had to do... Time? Money?

I appreciate the comment, but I dont feel I missed a crucial point. I figure it as follows:

1. Even if GREE did one of these events between every war, those who spend money will always do better than those who dont because of how war is layed out.
2. "Change or Die" seems appropriate. In the past, people who spent money were willing to to get thier stats and that is fine. This business model will fail in the long run though. What will happen is that there will be a gap so large after enough time that u will only have two types of players. Those who spend to get it all and those who spend nothing. Then those who spend to get it all will eventually get bored and then all u have is free players...then the game loses its support services and the game is all but dead. No...I credit GREE on realizing that the business model as it is doesnt work in the long run.
3. I HAVE spent gems to get my stats..I just havent spent as much. I was pretty much free in the past, but on this event I was willing to spend a little to finish the event, happy that there is finally an event within finishing distance.
4. The only other solution in my opinion would have been to make the game soooo easy for FUN (to allow others a chance to finish) that FUN and guilds like them would quit out of boredom. I dont think GREE would do that.

[Bloodsucker]

Its funny when LLPs say this event helps them, sure, you got to 50 or 100 with free hits, but how many levels did you go up and for what stat boost? You are misguided in thinking this helps even out the field. I blew my mini up just doing 55 bosses in this one, went up 9 levels and gained less than 100k stats. With my main I dont do an event unless I will gain at least 60k/level.

I leveled 6 times. I was in the 50 boss range. After the end of the last daily i will have gained about 500k in stats.

[custos]

2. "Change or Die" seems appropriate. In the past, people who spent money were willing to to get thier stats and that is fine. This business model will fail in the long run though. What will happen is that there will be a gap so large after enough time that u will only have two types of players. Those who spend to get it all and those who spend nothing. Then those who spend to get it all will eventually get bored and then all u have is free players...then the game loses its support services and the game is all but dead. No...I credit GREE on realizing that the business model as it is doesnt work in the long run.

This assumes a steady state with no new entrants into the game. We know this is not the case. High stat people will become bored and leave and newcomers with lots of money will rapidly rise to take their place. The death of this game has been predicted for a long time now, usually by people who are leaving. Yet still it keeps on going and raking in the money.

[aphroKEN]

Our guild member finished the 100 kills, he levelled up 7 levels, he is a LLP started mid-lv.27 and is now lv.34.
Meanwhile he picked up many high stat rewards along the way, we expected he would level up much more, but the few levels was acceptable. It did cost him a few hundred gems to do this.

Only 7 times at such a low level? That's amazing. I thought it'd be much more than that because the XP gain is exponential the greater the number of bosses. Maybe the XP gain per boss was reduced.

[Bloodsucker]

Only 7 times at such a low level? That's amazing. I thought it'd be much more than that because the XP gain is exponential the greater the number of bosses. Maybe the XP gain per boss was reduced.

I seem to be on point with their leader. I started at lvl 34. First lvl was at boss 25 (i had started 30% into lvl 34). Second lvl at 56. Third lvl at 70.

[P4TR1C14N]

I appreciate the comment, but I dont feel I missed a crucial point. I figure it as follows:

1. Even if GREE did one of these events between every war, those who spend money will always do better than those who dont because of how war is layed out.
2. "Change or Die" seems appropriate. In the past, people who spent money were willing to to get thier stats and that is fine. This business model will fail in the long run though. What will happen is that there will be a gap so large after enough time that u will only have two types of players. Those who spend to get it all and those who spend nothing. Then those who spend to get it all will eventually get bored and then all u have is free players...then the game loses its support services and the game is all but dead. No...I credit GREE on realizing that the business model as it is doesnt work in the long run.
3. I HAVE spent gems to get my stats..I just havent spent as much. I was pretty much free in the past, but on this event I was willing to spend a little to finish the event, happy that there is finally an event within finishing distance.
4. The only other solution in my opinion would have been to make the game soooo easy for FUN (to allow others a chance to finish) that FUN and guilds like them would quit out of boredom. I dont think GREE would do that.

My comment was a bit narrowminded. The crucial part better is replace by an important side note . Yes there is a trade off as the llp will gain xp and levels up, but that most top players did also by doing events in the past and they did it for way less units. Then we talk about units as a dragon and top units around 2-5k.

Anyway... There is a problem, no matter how you approach the situation where this game is in and that i prefer to blame to gree that didnt want to listen to thier community. Many did warn about balance, stat inflation, too much events, too much bugs nd let's be honest... Did any off those topics reach a mature level for a game?

[almarro1]

I decided not to go for 100 when I noticed that at low levels (10-20) bosses had more health than in the old 50 levels event. The last boss (Medusa) I made it to level 48 without gems, so over 50 levels geming would be too much for me to complete this event.
I have some guild mates pushing for the 100 that have already used close to 30k gems on it. You read it correctly: 30.000 gems.
I'm currently at level 53 and still can do it with gold hits, but my estimation is that I will get to 56-57 at most.

[AllFather Odin]

currently at level 42 with my primary acct. NOT going for level 100 as it's just too much. However, I will use some gems to get to level 45 to get the sh@dow unit. It was classy for Gree to do this and I think it deserves a small amount of gems for it.

[Hobbs]

I agree with your post 100% I would also like to add why doesn't the bonuses we work so hard and spend so much to get not count on your hits?
I am not in the same League stat wise as a lot of you guys but my attack stats show 4.1m so why when I hit epic or raid boss with a cash hit does it only do 2.6m Damage?
Have I not paid for these units with bonuses with my own money yet they don't count toward your attack when needed thus costing you more gems to progress in these events.

[Gerbear]

I guess many of us are wondering if Gree will bring this game back to somewhat of a resemblance of what it was, i.e. gold units being of value and actually using strategy to manage an army. I keep hoping and would still be willing to spend some gems on this. However, this game is starting to turn sour and almost become a job with all the tapping. I know I can quit, but really am still optimistic someone in Gree can make a change. These overinflated stats have wrecked the game in my opinion. I wish they would redo everyone's stats like they did a while ago, but actually take them out of the millions (ridiculous).

[VX_G]

I refuse to contribute to the madness.
Aside the fact that we do all we can to stay afloat, trying to go for a 100 kill at a high level just makes no sense.
Same with the box event. Why spent gems when you don't have a way to guarantee a win price. No point on risking spending your real money on an event that has so little to give.

In a positive way, I see this event as time off from KA.
Grabs beer and relaxes infront of the tv. Time to enjoy some football prior to war.

[Guido69]

Thanks for all the posts so far. Maybe Gree becomes aware of it. Keep posting.

[Spydrax]

I don't know what determines light-moderate gem use; I know I'm not heavy....
I won't spend a penny on this event. I don't like the setup; the outrageous exp needed for the boss; the continued and horrendously im-balanced tilt towards LLK.... Everyone knows what's going on here in KA now, I'm not getting into details, but this has become obsurd.
FUN is powerful and spends $. All respect to them, but GREE designers can not create events that are so far over the top, even THEY are complaining. Has to speak to a problem.

He's something I've noticed: we're all talking LLK; Pug and Ratma noted, players are firing up small kingdoms for the boss. I saw a kingdom, a player had wall notes dating over 160 days okay? Look... Level 22 and stats were 20k. Had a nice kingdom setup and likely is having fun, thinking he's doing well.... Then here comes another lvl 20, over 175k to trigger the boss.... Sound familiar to anyone?

So, tell me, I've been playing this game for a while, not as long as many, but long enough. Think about starting this game right now if you don't know the people in the upper guilds. Just try to play this game. The whales are no longer only in the deep water; they're in the shallows and for new players, this has to be so frustrating and wondering how do they get hit by someone who's 10x stronger.... Oh, did I mention, that 10x stronger kingdom is likely less than 5 days old?

I'm not worried about me; I'll survive and/or move on. I've had a lot of fun playing this game and have met a lot of great people. I don't need the game to communicate with these people, so GREE needs to know, players exist like me. I'm playing because I hope they find the balance again, but it's growing old.

Every event is a guild related event, costing us every minute of our day; won't do it the next go around. If I have to reduce to gem free, I'd likely try it, but then likely just leave.

I was a free player up until the LTQ became more frequent and ultimately commonplace. I realized then, I either had to spend to keep up and be remotely competitive or just quit because everyone was blowing up.

Perfect example of someone frozen in this time. The people I looked up to as powers were around 150-200k. WOW!!! How'd you do that!?!?!?! A friend of mine and a banned member of this guild (The Big Weezy), has been away from the game for awhile: his kingdom is frozen around the 200k mark...... He was awesome! As we're/are others. But this has gone to far.

The LTQ/GLTQ events are nearly impossible anymore??? I have the strongest weapon and have to gem my butt off!! What is going on????

That's my rant.....

Ciao

[Rastlin]

Perfect example of someone frozen in this time. The people I looked up to as powers were around 150-200k. WOW!!! How'd you do that!?!?!?! A friend of mine and a banned member of this guild (The Big Weezy), has been away from the game for awhile: his kingdom is frozen around the 200k mark...... He was awesome! As we're/are others. But this has gone to far.

You mean banned member of this Forum, not from a Guild. TBW is always and forever a part of MoC!