If you disagree with anything I say, go read it again. So far you haven't said anything I disagree with. You're overly defensive and setting up straw men.
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If you disagree with anything I say, go read it again. So far you haven't said anything I disagree with. You're overly defensive and setting up straw men.
Well actually not enough said.Quote:
Originally Posted by dr007
I'm sure you want to believe that there is a strategy that goes along with your gold spending but at the heart of IP accumulation the big winner is how much gold are you willing to spend to outpace the #2 team.
Again the rules of battles are fairly simple. The tools you are able to use, the lengths and time between battles (if any) and the bonuses available to Top 10 teams are relatively the same. Using scouts to find the weakest targets is common practice. Dedicating certain players to wall destruction is fairly standard practice. Your gold users tend to be the big hitters as they can get the most bang for their buck. All standard practices in CC.
The only major variable is how much gold you spend and its a huge variable that can have major impact on IP accumulation which is the end all be all of who is #1 and who is #2.
Convince me (and others) that there is some secret formula you use otherwise you'll just be chalked up to "the team that is willing to spend the most real money to be #1". Not that grand of a title if you ask me.
*munches more popcorn*
I agree with Dippy
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/...om-blog480.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by MrM
that kind of poor people?
indians spent a hell lot of gold trying to win the first war. ask them, where did they went wrong ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by duckid
i'm not going to lay out the strategies fight club used so that you and others can take advantage of it. on the other hand, it is not rocket science. almost everyone knows what gives you more IPs during wars. go figure ...
They dont win their first fight in a new battle: Indians v FC
That's when everyone holds the most gold and is at their most enthusiastic to win
I don't consider the Indians to be gold paupers
I'm glad that duckid doesn't hate CC or successful players. Every post is another whine! He hates the fact that spending more gold helps FC win every single battle. Gosh, we're sorry! You design a massive online game where money doesn't mattre and we'll see how many people play your game. You're wasting so many pages with ridiculous arguments. You got us, duckhead! Buying gold contributes to success in CC. I hear the amount of money helps a little bit in auto racing, baseball and sailing. What an exposé! Please call the NY Times so you can make the morning edition. You are a one-note band. A monotone uninteresting band!
The 65k glitch happened when GREE changed the bonus system from manual work to be automatic. Some players that were due to get a 15k (old 10 vaults) bonus also got the 50k (old 20 vaults) bonus as well. Hence 65k gold. Many of these players spent all gold on crates and le items. After some hours when GREE found out they removed the 50k unlegit gold from players accounts, that had got it by mistake, if it was still there. The players that spent their 50k gold already got 2 options.Quote:
Originally Posted by duckid
1.) Keep their items but "owe" GREE 50k gold
2.) Gree should manualy remove these items from players inventory...very time inefficent work for the support team.
Gree perferred the 1st option.
This happened when it was night here in Europe...when I woke up that morning I had the same amount of gold I had the evening before. If I had been given exta gold by mistake I never noticed it.
Don Corleone -- you bless us with your presence here! I had no idea you were in Sweden. Are you in exile? When will it be safe for you to return to your home in Corleone, Italy? I have pledged my assistance to you in return for the favor you granted me so if you need me to ensure your safe return to Italy I will do everything in my power to help. However, I caution you that I am only truly powerful in Empire City which is not in Italy nor Sweden I'm afraid.
Your most humble servant,
happyperson1
Don't encourage him. Way too many scarface/godfather/sopranos names in this game already.Quote:
Originally Posted by Happyperson1
I know you want to hate on me and that's fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Happyperson1
I've stated and agreed with people on this thread about the fact that Gree designed a game that was highly dependent on buying gold. They are a for profit business. What I've expressed over and over is that I don't like the fact that it is so dependent on that. Teams such as FC use this simple fact to be #1. If they didn't some other team would and it is simply due to the way the game is designed. There is a nice thread going on about the play free syndicates and how well they are doing... to me this is actually an accomplishment because they are putting their time and coordination to maximize their IP... instead of just simply refilling their energy over and over with a simple click of a button. To me they are overcoming some type of challenge.
There are plenty of video games out there that don't let you buy your way to the top. I have no idea what other games you play but I can't imagine anyone thinking you are some amazing player simply cause you had willingness to shell out $1000+ a month to buy pixels.
And as far so your examples... totally off based. You cannot buy a race car and then give the officials $100,000 to win the race. Every obstacle in this game can be overcome by buying gold. To me that is an absolutely boring way to play and for the most part (I caved in and have put in about $100) I have kept it to a free play game.
Go out and play a round of golf with your friends... on every hole when you get to the green simply hand each player $20 and tell them you want your next putt to go in. I'm sure they are gonna love the fact that they have $360 in their pocket... but they aren't going to think you are some amazing golfer.
In the end I just wish Gree didn't make it so blatant on how to "win" this game.
It's silly to waste time arguing over the mix of money and skill in CC vs. other games. According to you, if I give two new players $10,000 to pay CC with they will end up in the same spot six months later. I disagree. Tzora already listed some of the "skill" elements in the game. Have you played it? There are hundreds of decisions facing players all the time. Who to attack. What to buy. Do you have the people skills to put together a functioning syndicate? Again, I believe skill is a larger determinant in outcomes in chess than in CC. I've never heard anyone say they are a great player in CC. But if you think that being smart and persuasive doesn't help you're just plain wrong.
What I've said from the beginning is that every obstacle can be overcome by real money. Simple.
And your analogy isn't really good because you are using an example of 2 people with completely different thought processes to play this game and then basing that on a predefined "spot" to see who is better. What I'm saying is for people that do know this game and are in the same mindset it comes down to how much you spend in battles. Would it be fair to say players in Rogue Gallery and Indian Nation know how to play this game? The only thing separating them from FC at the end of the battles is the amount of gold spent and who they play (which all teams have no way to determine).
I know this will never happen but I would love to see the correlation of gold bought versus the rank a syndicate places in battles. If there was a way to cap the amount of gold each syndicate was able to use in a battle event that would at least make a fair playing field as each syndicate couldn't just use the power of the almighty dollar to push ahead of #2.
oh please stop ****ing and whining about gold spenders people .. just play the farking game as you wish to play. you have a problem with the gold spenders, quit playing this game .. its a feature that's made available by GREE. if you wish to cry and moan, go cry and moan to the support for allowing such unfairness .. and please stop making this game more boring as if it is not already enough lol
i feel sorry for people who are financially broke.
i feel sorry for some people who can't buy gold (including me).
i feel sorry for people who can't buy stats.
i feel sorry that you even created an account here duckid and alike to come by and whine and moan about gold spenders.
i feel sorry that you are pathetic stingy bastards.
just get the fark over with your never ending rant. i'm done, continue whining now :D
I'll just continue from your whining thread into my whining thread... fair enough?Quote:
Originally Posted by TZora
Luckily for me you don't run these forums and I can post whatever I like.
Overall I just would like a change from Gree. It gets boring seeing Fight Club at the "winners" circle every time. And I'm sure if it continues gold spenders in Indian Nation and the like will stop spending because they see it is pointless to try to outspend FC.
Maybe that will promote a change from Gree (doubt it)... until then they will just keep collecting.
very intelligent idea, kudos! (or bananas?)Quote:
Originally Posted by duckid
yea, go ahead and send support an email asking them to stop selling gold. one of the best ideas i've ever read on these forums!
I'm wondering at this point if you even read my posts.
A change will come when people stop spending and I don't see that day coming anytime soon. But I do see people becoming bored with this game and that might promote Gree to rethink how the game is played.
Gree also has all the internal numbers. They might see that people are declining on spending gold due to how lopsided wins are and that the same teams constantly are 1, 2 and 3. People stop playing (and paying) when something becomes boring and futile.
I can only imagine how frustrated the members of Indian Nation and Rogues Gallery must be always coming in #2 and #3 with no hopes of ever getting #1.
Anyways I'm done with this thread. Have a lovely day.
thank you and have a wonderful day you too :)
I don't see people getting frustrated over the placing. We usually try to conserve gold by not overspending on 3rd place and we usually have an exciting push at the end to finish. 2 wars ago it took a 3.1 million torrent of a final battle to hold the spot. Last war wasn't quite as hard of a push, but still a solid push from #4.Quote:
Originally Posted by duckid
To be honest, I think the most boring spot is sitting in 1st place unchallenged. I'm sure they're not complaining about being 1st place or anything, but I don't suppose there's a ton of excitement in sitting with a 5 mil lead all war every war. Some of them step down from time to time to help some buddies make a push though.
Batman isn't fun without the Joker and the Globetrotters aren't all that impressive against the Generals ;)
according to who? that's the question.Quote:
Originally Posted by MattThomas08
i have not seen a single fight clubber saying, "i'm bored of winning and taking a 5 mil pts lead". but i do have seen many fight clubbers saying, "lets fight again". even when there's 5 mil lead :)
they just like to be #1 and that's more than enough to take the lead and kick some butts. fight clubbers love doing what they do :)
According to me, that's why I said 'I think'! ;pQuote:
Originally Posted by TZora
I know they're having a blast and love being #1.
Alrighty then! Some people like winning and being first. But not everyone according to Matt. But some people like winning so much they hack into a teammate's account and spend his money for him(not you, Matt, I know).
We've reached the end of this thread. Goodnight.
30 million
Not that I'm comparing the skill involved in CC with the skill involved in winning olympic gold, but the fact remains that those willing to spend the most on the Olympics win the most gold. It's very close to a direct link, barring outliers (small countries winning due to one particular individual).
Yes, spending more contributes directly to winning in CC. As it does in professional sports. And politics. And business. And, in fact, almost every single thing in life. Because money can be traded for goods and services, and the better resourced one is, the more likely one is to succeed.
I'm flabbergasted that this is a point of contention.
love the folks talking about 4 vaults :D
The gold club probs has them spending $2k every other month for the bonus which is like more than 100% free gold...
TBH Gree has moved on now focus on their new game war of nations so crime city isn't exactly priority according Gree developer there are more focused on creating new games.Quote:
Originally Posted by duckid
"bump"
:cool:
lol looks like ppl gonna keep bumping this thread each war .. and the history will repeat itself .. some ass will join this thread to bash ppl who spend real money on gold .. same old story ..
The point surely is not using real money to buy gold; there's probably thousands do that. It's the sheer quantity that a few players spend. We all know the well-rehearsed arguments about spending (yawn!), zeemer's one equating "winning' in crime city to politics, business and sport (despite him saying he's not) is merely the most silly justification.Quote:
Originally Posted by TZora
But seriously, if "winning" a silly phone game is so important to those people that they will cheerfully dump as much money into it as most regular people earn in a year, it's rather sad. The only winner is Gree. Accept that.
here is a list of my hobbies sister ....
dancing
singing
cooking
playing crimecity
traveling
i spend (or have spent) money on "all of these hobbies" ... "as much as i can afford" to spend. if others "can afford" to "spend more" on their "set of hobbies", its because they have that kind of money to spend, which is just wonderful.
you are talking like those people save money on everything, cut their other hobbies, don't go out at all and then spend everything they have on crimecity .. seriously, what makes you think those who spend loads of money on this game, don't spend loads of money on their other hobbies?
if i had a billion dollars in my bank account, heck i would throw hundreds and thousands on this game and even more on my other hobbies. i think sad are those people who actually earn millions and don't spend on anything at all.
yeap .. you do
How does average income affect the spending decisions of individuals?Quote:
Originally Posted by sister morphine
I simply don't understand.
much money ? i don't think.
i prefer buy 26 vaults à 60€ and have 50k offer, i think it's more interesting like a simple buyer who buy at same price.
anyway when u look that not bad u spend less like normal buyer.
;) a fact.
I couldn't have said it any better.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rollster
Whatever it is that you just said.
Ya i just re-read this 5 times and I'm still pretty stumped on what exactly you were trying to say. Anyone care to translate for him?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rollster
Lmfao,,, well that made sense somewhere!
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Originally Posted by Rollster
He is trying to say he is paying a lot less per gold bar than someone who buys a vault a battle, if apparently you do get a 50k gold bonus after buying 26 vaults. It actually does make sense, if you can get over the fact you're dumping € 1.600 into an app all in one go. If you haven't shot yourself by then, well...then you can enjoy the very highly discounted gold :cool:
lol, that is hilarious.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sandukan
LMAO, best reply on the thread.
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Originally Posted by Sandukan