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uncommon to 11 takes 80 minutes, is 500 for the base armor and 2400 for 8 x 300 for the basics, for a total of 2900 to make one to 11
uncommons require 600+1600 (2200 total) in enhancing costs just to get it to 11 where as snakeskin requires no enhancing costs for it to have 24ep
so 4100 gold and 80 minutes time for 20 EP for matching element
--or--
3000 gold and 120 minutes time for 24 EP for matching element
Using Lii's data for level 70 armors*, and based purely on minimum GOLD usage:
You should switch to snakeskin from basics/monos at level 16 if snakeskin matches your armor's elements, or 24 if it doesn't.
If snakeskin matches your required elements, switch to Fusing 50ep armors at level 58. You'll need 26 fusion stones if that's all you use from here to level 70.
If Snakeskin does NOT match, the switch comes at level 47. Now it'll take 48 fusion stones.
Now that's a lot of fusion stones, and a lot of snakeskins too, so my plan is to use these levels as the lowest at which I'll do the switch. i.e. it's a waste of both time and gold to use snakeskin below level 16 for matching, or 24 for non-matching. After that if you have the gold, carry on using Monos, but if you're trying to preserve gold, snakeskin is cheaper but is going to take longer to craft. That's fine if you're not in a hurry.
At 47 if you're fusion stone rich, switch to fusing. You're probably not, but don't waste fusion stones below this level. if snakeskin matches your required elements, wait until level 58 before wasting any fusion stones. For osat of us fusion stones are still a luxury item, so we'll carry on using snakeskin and wasting gold because it's more easily obtained.
Any reward/chest/otherly acquired armors you wish to roll into enhancing, these levels should be a guide as to when to use them.
* https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...FcVZFRGc#gid=4
Lii, I have one query - you show values for enhancing at both level 1 and 70. If the first is the cost from 1 > 2 (which I know is correct), then shouldn't there just be a 69 > 70, because at 70 you can't enhance any more?
I would say Snakeskin. It takes time to farm the skins, but it costs 3,000 gold for 24EP vs. 5,100 gold for 20EP:Quote:
Originally Posted by ZERO_07
1 Uncommon: 500g 30 min
8 Basics: 2,400g 40 min
1st Enhancement: 600g
2nd Enhancement: 1600g
Total: 5,100g
38 Lost EP to enhancement
x4 = 20,400g, 4hr 40 min, 80EP
1 Snakeskin: 3,000g 2hr craft + Farming time.
No lost EP
x4 = 12,000g, 8hr, 96EP
Jello
jello, did you ever figure out the ep required to level nemesis rarity armour? (I saw it change from uncommon to NEMISIS a while back - probably when the transition happened)
I might get a nemi for the last dragon, I am guessing the stats will be like jians'
If its not in a spreadsheet by then I will do my best to track the numbers
I'm pretty sure it follows the same EP patterns as a level 50 armor.Quote:
Originally Posted by overcire
--or--Quote:
Originally Posted by Roark
3000 gold and 120 minutes time for 20 EP for non-matching element
More things influincing the decission process:
The amount of stockpiled (materials for) commons (level 11 takes 5 matching and 3 non-matching commons (6 takes 4 non-matching BTW)) and farm cycles you're willing to do. Snakeskin takes at least 4 farm cycles to get one (if she doesn't drop any Stone Slabs), while uncommons take 2 farm cycles (IIRC none of those bosses have alternative drop materials...), so at least twice less farming, but assuming about 2 1/2 shards for common armors dropped per farm cycle (2 crits on minions, 1/2 a random drop), your shard supply goes down by 3 per level 11 uncommon...
Myself, I've been using Snakeskin for the later levels of 3 of my Big Four (matching elements) and level 11 Dragonflame for the Living Flame+ .
Snakeskin + give more EP than snakeskin regular ??Quote:
Originally Posted by Jello
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ok thk you!
If everyone (mainly me and other lower level people out there) has a problem with not having enough money for the fusion costs and upgrade costs how about you literally make 14 training fields and only have 1 armor smith? You'll be making atleast 16.3k per hour for a maximum of 13 hours (if you leave it for a whole day or something you'll come back with 196k gold just sitting there) This would increase if you upgraded them to lvl 2 or 3 (with enough crystals) at lvl 2 it would make 19.2k every hour (gold earned per hour is based on a percentage of the max gold available since it still follows the same amount of time as a level 2 building, as it did level 1, to get to max gold stat). 19.2k every hour would be perfect for those that don't have enough money to keep up with the combining cost of getting those 50 EP fusion armors. You only need 1 armor craft because typically speaking using basics is "quicker" to getting more EP. Not very efficient in terms of the enhancement costs later on. But that's why you stockpile gold with your 19.2k gold every hour and then go at it with whatever method you perfer. Probably using basic armor for the first 20-30 armor levels. Then switching to fused 50 EP armors since the enhancing option will be costing a lot of money now.
To find when its more efficient use this:
*Assume your using 4 armors at a time when enhancing
*Basic is an estimate since 33.33 armors cant be done, just for theory crafting.
*X = enhancing cost (a changing variable)
200 EP cost: (cost of armorsmith and fusion) (25600*4) + 4(enhancing cost)x--> 102400+4x
Takes 33.33 basics to get the same 200 EP : (Cost of armorsmith) (33.33*300) + 8.333x--> 10000 +8.333x
Set equal to each other. 10000 + 8.333x = 102400 + 4x
*Algebra--> 4.333x=92400 -->x= 92400/4.333
X= 21323 gold
When the cost of upgrading ONE armor is MORE THAN 21323 gold (aka the full 4 armor enhance = 85292 gold) start using the 50 EP armors because it is more cost efficient. Well not including those accursed fusion stars =/.... Enjoy =)
@reeper1260: if you are going to set the armor smith to start a new common armor every 5 minutes anyway, Fountains or Conservatory would be a better option than Training Fields. ;-P
Think of it as how many EP you need to get to that level from the level before.Quote:
Originally Posted by Musketeer
Currently level 1 has a zero. Of course you could move all numbers up one row and change the thinking to "how many EP you need to max that certain level" (i.e. what you mention above). I don't really have any preferences to which way is used, I simply picked the one someone else had already started :)
i'm not sure if this helps somehow or if it's been said, if so, ive missed it but i'm having a lot more trouble leveling up my tempered armor (cap at 70) than i had with the nemesis armour (cap at 30) so maybe different armours have different EP leveling or different level caps have different EP in the first place
i'm not sure what i'm saying is right but it is what i noticed happening to me
Admin or user can u please help me? -.-
i ask 4 times for help but nobdy help me !!!
Everytime if i use video offers i get this message !!
No offers available
no offers available at this moment. Check back later for more exciting offers !!
Please help me !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!
That would mean that there are no offers available, as stated by the message.Quote:
Originally Posted by HighLifex774
which part of that message is unclear?
gonna go with PEBKAC here
But why my friend can use video offers? i cant use video offer he can use it all the time...
There is a limited number of video offers, and it isn't available all the time. This isn't the right thread to post on.Quote:
Originally Posted by HighLifex774
Where i can see the limit? my friend use it 4 days without any problem and use it at this moment too ... he got 2500 GEMS !!!!!!!!!! GUYS please -..-Quote:
Originally Posted by deathexe
Please stop flooding this thread with a question clearly not meant for this thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by HighLifex774
show me the right thread !Quote:
Originally Posted by deathexe
The thread that starts with 'feel free to ask...' We can't help you much anyways, since this isn't something we can control. You just have to try multiple times. I've noticed that you've been spamming the add me sub forum and guild recruitment sub forum too. Please don't do that.Quote:
Originally Posted by HighLifex774
After much time and gold spent, I have updated the Data Sheet's 'Armor Leveling' tab with 99.5% accurate leveling for 1-50 and 1-70 armors. I used the information from 5 level 70 armors that I kept detailed track of, then verified it with my Eurus+. With Eurus+, from 51-70 I enhanced using only 3 slots - usually 2 snakes and a 50EP fusion, or (2) 50EP fusions and a Basic or Uncommon with just the right additive of levels to give me the 98 to 114 points for each level to make sure it was as close to accurate +/- 1 or 2 EP. As a suggestion, you should always add the 1 or 2 EP if you want to absolutely make sure it will level up!
I'm still working on 1-30. There are a few minor corrections to the actual EP amounts needed on some levels (only need 20EP, not 21 to hit level 6; 40EP for level 10, not 41; etc). I learned the trick on how to accurately see the exact EP needed - takes a steady eye to watch the screen as the bar fills up. I think I will use that Reflector program so I can record video from the iphone screen, so I can play it frame by frame and get even more accurate! I'm OCD like that.
So check out the Data Sheet for the details.
Also, fun fact... Everyone asks about using Basic Armor to level since it's the cheapest and most EP when it comes to time. Gold on the other hand is the problem. Here is what you'll need to level a 70 armor using only Basic Armor with matching element(s):
Basic Armors needed: 846
Enhancements from 1-70: 212 (211x4 and 1x2)
Cost for Basic Armor crafting: 846 x 300 = 253,800
Cost for 212 Enhancements: 9,310,600
Total Cost: 9,564,400
Detailed breakdown for each enhancement:
EP Cost Level
24 600 3
24 1000 4
24 1200 5
24 1400 6
24 1600 7
24 1800 8
24 2000 9
24 2400 10
24 2800 10
24 2800 11
24 3200 11
24 3200 12
24 3600 13
24 4000 13
24 4000 14
24 4400 14
24 4400 15
24 4800 15
24 4800 16
24 5200 16
24 5200 17
24 5600 17
24 5600 18
24 6000 18
24 6000 18
24 6000 19
24 6400 19
24 6400 20
24 6800 20
24 6800 21
24 7200 21
24 7200 21
24 7200 22
24 7600 22
24 7600 23
24 8000 23
24 8000 23
24 8000 24
24 9000 24
24 9000 25
24 10000 25
24 10000 25
24 10000 26
24 11000 26
24 11000 26
24 11000 27
24 12000 27
24 12000 28
24 13000 28
24 13000 28
24 13000 29
24 14000 29
24 14000 29
24 14000 30
24 15000 30
24 15000 30
24 15000 31
24 16000 31
24 16000 31
24 16000 32
24 17000 32
24 17000 32
24 17000 33
24 18000 33
24 18000 33
24 18000 33
24 18000 34
24 20000 34
24 20000 34
24 20000 35
24 22000 35
24 22000 35
24 22000 36
24 24000 36
24 24000 36
24 24000 37
24 26000 37
24 26000 37
24 26000 37
24 26000 38
24 28000 38
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24 30000 39
24 30000 39
24 30000 40
24 32000 40
24 32000 40
24 32000 40
24 32000 41
24 34000 41
24 34000 41
24 34000 42
24 36000 42
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24 40000 44
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24 40000 45
24 42000 45
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24 42000 45
24 42000 46
24 44000 46
24 44000 46
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24 48000 48
24 48000 49
24 50000 49
24 50000 49
24 50000 49
24 50000 50
24 52000 50
24 52000 50
24 52000 50
24 52000 51
24 54000 51
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24 54000 52
24 56000 52
24 56000 52
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24 60000 54
24 60000 54
24 60000 54
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24 62000 55
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24 64000 56
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24 70000 59
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24 72000 60
24 72000 60
24 72000 60
24 72000 60
24 72000 61
24 74000 61
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24 76000 62
24 76000 62
24 76000 62
24 76000 62
24 76000 63
24 78000 63
24 78000 63
24 78000 63
24 78000 64
24 80000 64
24 80000 64
24 80000 64
24 80000 64
24 80000 65
24 84000 65
24 84000 65
24 84000 65
24 84000 65
24 84000 66
24 88000 66
24 88000 66
24 88000 66
24 88000 66
24 88000 67
24 92000 67
24 92000 67
24 92000 67
24 92000 68
24 96000 68
24 96000 68
24 96000 68
24 96000 68
24 96000 69
24 100000 69
24 100000 69
24 100000 69
24 100000 69
12 50000 70
More fun facts to come... :p
Hmm, I already knew that: 4 unmatched commons to get an uncommon to level 6, 5 matched commons and 3 unmatched commons to get an uncomon to level 11.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jello
*snip*
So, "only commons" is about 3x as expensive as the optimal commons/uncommons/snakeskin/fusion solution?
9 million, oh my god lol
I hope Wise One gets GREE to donate some gold to your for your contribution to the community
Leveling Fun Fact #2, 3, and 4:
To level a 70 armor from 1 to 35 to unlock + version of armor (~1664 EP):
Using Basic Armor:
Basic Armors needed: 280
Enhancements from 1-35: 70
Total Materials Needed: 280 x 3 Shards = 840 Shards
Cost for Basic Armor crafting: 280 x 300 = 84,000 gold
Cost for 70 Enhancements: 642,800 gold
Total Cost: 726,800 gold
Total Time to Craft: 1 Basic Armor every 5 min, so 23.3 hours
Using Uncommon/Mono Armor:
Uncommon Armors needed: 167
Enhancements from 1-35: 42
Total Materials Needed: 167 x 4 = 668 mats
Cost for Uncommon Armor crafting: 167 x 500 = 83,500 gold
Cost for 42 Enhancements: 377,200 gold
Total Cost: 460,900 gold
Total Time to Craft: 1 Uncommon Armor every 30 min, so 83.5 hours
Using Snakeskin Armor:
Snakeskin Armors needed: 70
Enhancements from 1-35: 18 (17x4 and 1x2)
Total Materials Needed: 70 x 8 = 560 Snakeskin Leather
Cost for Snakeskin Armor crafting: 70 x 3,000 = 210,000 gold
Cost for 18 Enhancements: 154,200 gold
Total Cost: 364,200 gold
Total Time to Craft: 1 Snakeskin Armor every 2 hours, so 140 hours
NOTE: The above enhancements assume matching elements (Basics worth 6, Uncommon worth 10, and Snake worth 24) and time is having only 1 Armorsmith.
So if we set the lowest at 100% it's (using the rounded numbers from the end, since I'm lazy right now):
time:
* common 100%
* uncommon ~358%
* snakeskin ~601%
gold:
* snakeskin 100%
* uncommon ~126%
* common ~199%
I guess it might be smart to switch my Swamp+ level 20 back to commons from the uncommon level 1 or 6 I'm using right now to level it, since the time factor is way more important to me at the moment.
edit: if you start from zero shards, it does mean you'll have to do about 1 farm run per armorsmith per 5 minutes just to keep up with shard demand...
Very nice!!
By my calculations mono is cheaper than snakeskin until cost per slot gets to 1300 (for matching elements). Why don't you add a section for "using mono and then switching to snakeskin"?
I have updated the Data Sheet with the level 1-30 exact numbers. It is still 194 to go from 1-30, but some of the EP in the middle were off. I confirmed the numbers twice on a Basic Earth Armor and a Wing Warrior Armor.
Great men..! Please keep it up!
I see I see I see
The 5 start armor changes its 3rd form at level 50. :cool:
Thank you. I've updated the Data Sheet.Quote:
Originally Posted by QuantumP 86
Seems like the cost of enhancements you used to calculate these doesn't match the data on Armor_Data.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jello
I used my calculator (which uses the data on Armor_Data) to calculate the total cost of enhancing lvl 70 armor from 1-35 using basics and I got 726,800.
I've also checked your cost breakdown (3 post before the quoted post) and if you look at the row where it FIRST shows level is 10, the cost is 2200, which should have been 2400 (again based on Armor_Data)
I know, it's a small difference, but I really want to calibrate the calculator as accurate as possible.
So tell me, which one is right, the data on Armor_Data or these results?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Barbanium
Each post in a thread has a unique number, so if you quote that it's easier to find. The post is #144.
2200 is the cost of four at level 9 to get to level 10. Then at level 10 it costs 2400 (4x600), and it's still level 10. Then it costs another 2400, and that finally raises from level 10 to level 11.
so in post #144 24 is the ep put in (always 24), the next number is the costs for 4 slots, the last number is the level you get to. Many times the level hasn't increased.
I know how to quote that post. I just didn't include it cause I don't want my post to be space-hogging. :p
Anyway, I also know that 'that' enhancement is from level 9 to 10.
The Enhancing cost using 4 armors according to Armors_Data at level 9 is 2400 (his is 2200)
while at level 10, it's 2800 (his is 2400).
It also doesn't match at level 11 and 12. Everything else is ok :)
Armors_Data:
version from 10 days ago had:
2000/2200/2400/2800/3200/4000/4400
version from today has:
2000/2400/2800/3200/3600/4000/4400
We really need a changelog of Armors_Data on the forum, so other things that rely on it for their data can stay up to date...
To Barbaniam, Musketeer, and Marco_:
I can't remember which thread I posted it in, but I stated I found an error in the original Data Sheet data for the enhancement cost of Levels 9-12 and corrected it on the sheet. This was after I posted my fun facts in this thread and I never went back and corrected the fun facts. They were short by 2,200 gold for the Basics, 1,600 gold for the Uncommon, and 800 gold for Snakeskin, and have been corrected.
okies then. :) I just wanted to confirm that the data on Armors_Data isn't outdated.
Thanks for the reply Musketeer, Marco and Jello. :D
Also, please check out my Calc. I'd really appreciate it if more people use it :)
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...vMjJYb3c#gid=0