Thanks for the tip. So actually, what I have learned is there are hardly any cheaters which of course is good. It doesn't take a genius to work out spending money gives an advantage. I guess I'm in disbelief as to how much people are willing to pay to reach the top in a game! Each to their own! I curse myself in how much I spend, so it isn't a criticism, but it does take the fun out of the game somewhat. Depending on your opinion I suppose. Trying hard to keep on topic :-)
Oh no, don't say that. There are loads of them. They just can't do it with gems, yet. And yah, it can be a shock, but it's their money.Quote:
Originally Posted by lisawarrior
I have another concern for you:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sirius
Guilds with all three above AND more than 400,000,000 gold in their vault.
Although it might be legit of course... Buying hundreds of mountains of gold.... And have nothing to spend them on.
Wait, you don't do that? I thought all players bought enough Gold to do nothing with?Quote:
Originally Posted by ezinap
seems totally plausible. That's only 24K in purchases to get that much Gold. You just download the GREE Home loan application.Quote:
Originally Posted by jonny0284
BTW do you think after the 120th purchase that did nothing for them they just say, yeah I could do that again?
how about someone with 3 manners?
That person has 100% no credibility. If they accidentally sold a Manor, asked Support for it back and then went out and bought a new one to make 3.Quote:
Originally Posted by Miranda6900
Then that person is a dirtbag. Plain and simple.
I think they meant no manners, which obviously we display ;0Quote:
Originally Posted by jonny0284
Grammar failed the post.
Manner = Manor
Ugh.
Good, bad, and table?Quote:
Originally Posted by Miranda6900
I shoped gems in the past, so i know how expensive Thy are if you want use Them as much as some are using Them in wars (scoring 20+ mil) ore making it to 350 cristals i the first Day of the new event. Thises Guilds and persons must be spending a huge wast amount of money to get as many gems needet to get results Like so, if we asume Thy are ligit, i am ofcos a bit envios of foks thad Can aford thad much on a game Like this , and i do belive thad it cant really all be legal gems being spend to get this insane results
You cannot hack gems. Yet. It's legit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nissen
Nothing is impossible, the only impossibility is impossible. However, gem hack arguably has the most direct and immediate hit on their profit so it is likely they focus on preventing (at least trying) and detection on this the most ...
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Originally Posted by Shinazueli
Also, I thought I read somewhere that the ranking of box event is from the previous round and yet updated. Have to admit that I am not following it closely though ...
All the top 5 will have had to spent $5000-$10,000+ EVERY WAR. GREE really? You belive they have spent this much. Lol.
With the bonus program, you can cut the number by a large amount. Also, buy in bulk when GREE has their 40% off sale. Lastly, buy iTunes cards when they go on sale. Best Buy has them at 20% off relatively frequently.Quote:
Originally Posted by Prince Jizzm
Your $10k figure is less than $200/member of a 50 member guild. With all the savings I described along with the bonus program, it's much less than that.
Spending $100 every couple of weeks on something that entertains you isn't that big of a deal to many people. I spent about $90 last night taking my family to dinner (which wasn't even all that great), and I wouldn't consider myself rich. Surely there are a few people who are rich that play this game that could easily spend much more.
I don't think it's too far fetched. I spent a few bucks a month on this game before the hacker guilds became rampant. Now I spend considerably less, but I can see how it is conceivable.
+ 1 Gazzilion ! Same boat ..I used to spend upto $700 a month but with all the H/C in the game why should I spend when other H/C ? To get the same outcome? Yes Gems are said to be NON Hackable but that's what they say... A simple google search will have more info than what is posted!Quote:
Originally Posted by Kjctnorris
I am an Honest player and I could have chosen a different road but didn't , I enjoy playing as its more pleasing rather than alternatives, I didn't cheat my maths tests or exams at school my parent Intilled the honest portion in me when I was younger, but some people can't help themselves !
Gree needs to adopt a firmer more harsher policy to oust these players!
I thinks it been long enough with all the talk and posts going to and fro , they did this will do that...but do what!
Look at all the previous wars ... Who's on top ...FUN...Im not in FUN but know a lot of their players and the spend Mega amounts on this game and yet still only have 58 members?? So why can other guilds afford 60 ? Why would they purchase Mountains of gold and not gems? Gold only goes toward bonuses.. But gems can regen for more points and the more points the better prize/ units? Its not rocket science !
Just fix it! Simple ....hurt people's feelings or want to take the political road and not offend any player that might be in a questionable guild...tuff Shyte ! You make your bed you sleep in it!
Just fix the issue Gree...words have been thrown around long enough now..,we need ACTION!
Show us your support and we will show you OURS
6-25 was the last we heard from this guyQuote:
Originally Posted by Sirius
I hope nobody took Sirius serious.
I assume this means all hacker guilds are legit.
Thanks for such a helpful "response to our concerns"
I take it thats Sarcasm ? and doubt that Hacker Guilds are Legit givin that they have been Hacked, unless im looking at it all wrong...but as for the time ..well its been a while since we had ANY communication on this, and i would have thought that Gree or Sirius would have posted more by now ? but probably busy with new quests and Guild quests as Siruis said they are taking the H/C thing Serious....mmm ....must have been put on the back burner for other areas to be pushed forward !?
Sirius, would you like to input on the latest post by our Forum members ? an update is well over due
Simply give all 60 member guilds notice that they are being removed. The members can find another guild that is legitimate. A week or two should suffice.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sirius
I too don't understand why GREE is so worried about removing players from hacked guilds. Like everyone says, they should know what they are doing and should be punished for it. And even if they are too stupid or ignorant to know, given that they are given enough notice to find another guild, I don't think they have any right to be upset about being removed from a hacking guild. They already get to keep their illegitimately gotten rewards, they shouldn't be rewarded further by allowing them to keep benefitting from it while those players that play fairly are punished by not getting rewards that they should've received.
Wow .....Shocking......still no response about hackers
Let me get this straight ......you want us to believe that there are legitamate guilds fully maxed out because someone or many people spent 100K to max the guild out and then said im done.......Yeah right!!!!!
If i or anyone dropped that kind of cash on a guild.......No offense to FUN......But there is NO WAY I WILL NOT FINISH IN THE TOP TWO SPOTS. I will not and would not allow my guild to finish in any other spot...if i had that kind of money invested in my guild. I would WIN!!!!!
There are also many FUN members who posted about how its impossible for anyone to have a maxed out guild without CHEATING. Seriously ........Can we have an answer now!!!
This is beating a dead horse. Let's start a new thread for a debate between the members from 60 member guilds against the non 60 member guilds. Maybe something will be done after hearing both sides. Just a suggestion. Please don't kill me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skyraiders
GREE keep weeding out the unsavory characters.
Any news about the hacker guilds? We faced several already with level 10 walls!
Those are legit guilds. GREE posted it on the Internet, therefore, it is true.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeshu
Yeah it's like saying that big brother doesn't spy on us...Quote:
Originally Posted by Kjctnorris
Greetings All -- New to the forums. Question: what is the significance of 60 member guilds, and why does 58 members vs. 60 members matter? Just a brief history and synopsis would be great. I also don't completely understand how this relates to cheating beyond the obvious math issues of gold contribution. Please fill me in, thanks!!! - Loch
Every aspect of the game is easier with more people, and the other bonuses that theses guilds have unlocked to get those bonuses available.Quote:
Originally Posted by Loch
Well Sirius started this thread, so what is better then to get the 60 members guild folks to wiew their side in here?Quote:
Originally Posted by Almost There
My guess there is a reason why they dont comment in here, or at all.
Something needs to be done - the amount of spending by some clans is unfathomable
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Originally Posted by Skyraiders
You seem more "bend-able" than Nadia Comăneci . You must be/have been a crowQuote:
Originally Posted by Skyraiders
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LMAO...seriously you got me.......yes I am a CROW.......just saying if the person has that kind of money to burn buying gold instead of gems to max out the guild and then does not finish in the top 5 because he has no gems..?? I don't know ...just seems backwards to me???Quote:
Originally Posted by klevito
It's not backwards if you hacked the gold like they did, I am 100% certain they did,you are 100% certain they did, so are many others and Gree is 0.05% they did because they need the hacker to lift the gem sales and usage so they keep them in, and don't want to hurt the poor diddums feelings....what a crock, they didn't worry about me when they changed they LTQ half way through! They didn't care about me when they ripped me blind from the server stuff up last war, so please give me a break and fix this issue! It's gone on long enough!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Skyraiders
Sky, what i was getting at was:Quote:
Originally Posted by Skyraiders
On the issue of "Guilds with 60 members", you apply logic and common sense to reach a conclusion.
You do not back it up with facts.
On the issue of "opening 100+ boxes, within few hours", you demand facts to reach a conclusion.
I am not discussion those two issues, but the fact that throughout forums posts (as Ratma very well illustrates, I think, you think, he thinks therefore it's the truth), the oppinion or common sense of a group of people is presented as the god's truth and only truth
"We think it makes sense to spend xxxxx ammount of money to open 300 boxes" ==== legit
"We think it makes no sense to spend xxxxx anmmount of money to unlock guild bonuses" =====not legit
Like i said.......Nadia
All Gree needs to do is ask for the iTunes receipts to prove the purchases. They do in other instances. No receipts, no proof. Simple.
Allow me to copy and paste your post to illustrate why he is correct, and not flexible.Quote:
Originally Posted by klevito
"We think it makes sense to spend xxxxx ammount of money to open 300 boxes" and have been presented with iTunes receipts to prove it==== legit
"We think it makes no sense to spend 100 timesxxxxx amount of money to unlock guild bonuses"while having crap stats and xxxxx honor units and no guild rank to speak of.=====not legit
This is well beyond the opinion of a group of forumites. It's not even up for discussion. It's fact. Google 'define fact':
http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...psa681d458.jpg
PS: your very premise is flawed. The whole scientific community relies on this thing called consensus, backed up by repeatable experiments and data. (I can very repeatedly go into my game, open my newsfeed, and find a reported hacker.) But everything we "know" is based on consensus. So arguing that just because everyone thinks something doesn't make it true is fine, but the burden of proof lies with the minority opinion. Not the majority.
PPS: anyone else want to say (or even remotely imply) 60 member guilds are legit? I'm having fun. It's almost as much fun as arguing with Creationists. Almost.
Agreed Shin,but what is Gree doing about this....! Why taking so long to post something!
Shinauzeli.
In most cases those who need to raise the voice (triple font size and make it bold for a whole paragraph) to make a point, don't have one.
It is not comfortable to read, but still i did pay attention and hit another bump when (as it often happens nowdays where many who spend more time on web than outside think "google search = source of truth") you brought the definition of a word from a web search engine.
"I am right. Google it if you don't believe me"
Try oxford dictionaries as a more educative and academic source of english words definition. You will get something like:
noun
a thing that is known or proved to be true:
Which is different from what you and your google pals believe to be called "fact"
And to follow a bunch of personal opinion by how "the scientists conduct experiments" doesn't make your opinion part of that community, dear forumite fellow.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shinazueli
And finally if it interests you, google the difference between Theory and proof and apply what you learn to our conversation.
The difference between two dictionaries? It's still fact. An indisputable fact: the scientific data we've gathered through repeatable experiments (aka playing the game) does not support the premise that these guilds are legitimate. It's "highly improbable" which where I work means just about impossible. Close enough to certainty for engineering.Quote:
Originally Posted by klevito
The only difference between our "theory" and their "proof" is a few PhDs. Nothing can ever be "proven". Just enough to satisfy doubters. Of which there are not very many left. The world is flat, dinosaurs and men roamed the earth at the same time, sixty member guilds are legitimate. Pattern? Each of these things could be true, if you want to bury your head in the sand.
Finally, to rebut a statement you've made, many of us are in fact members of the scientific community, and although I made an analogy between this one and that one, I didn't infer that we are all scientists. I did infer that we tend to form arguments, data, and theories like they do, and that our consensus carries the same weight as theirs.
Also, drunken midnight forum posting = nono. Still funny, but probably would have toned it down a but.
Edit: the responses in this thread are because the mod came on and said the equivalent of "The earth is flat." I'd expect anyone to be lambasted for seriously doing that, and he is/was.