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So, the fact that RR is #1 is why you spend more? Did no one notice in the last war with people boycotting, people spent less? Did RR push the other top 10 people to spend more? No. RR will be #1 regardless, its the people that are fighting for 2-10 that even make them spend in the first place.Quote:
Originally Posted by MoD DeathShadow
Didn't you claim your guild was going to dethrone RR last time? I'm predicting you're going to fail just like always. Go back into hiding.Quote:
Originally Posted by II King Mark II
Top 10 will require money. End of story. Money players will, over time, leave their guilds of half non-spenders & look for paying guilds. I'm creating a community of people working together rather than having cut throat tactics between paying guilds.
Don't misundertand what I wrote please. I think RR has done a remarkable job to establish itself at the top and stay there. I have nothing to say about that at all. Eun has been proven to be the best at winning within the parameters of the game from start to finish.
My point was simply that I see a lot of disingenuous marketing going on about RR is good for everyone, good for the game and somehow hurting GREE. It's not.
That's my point though PR, the disingenuous marketing is only helping Gree. In the other Gree games it is worth paying for #2, #3, & #4-10. In K&D there's almost no difference between 2-10; this makes #1 the only truly realistic goal for "serious" players.
That is Greed fault & they're slowly working to fix it, like we saw in BF+ reward. Right now people are playing right into Grees hands paying exorbitant amounts of money for nothing. Trying to overtake us as a single guild will only lose 1-2 members at a time, struggling to maintain a huge gem requirement just to beat us. We are offering an organized system of tiers based on a players personal gem budget.
I agree with the fix you suggest of improving rewards for finishing 2-3 or 2-10. It is a flaw in GREEs game mechanics given the advantages inherent in epic+ armor.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eunuchorn
I understand your offer, but I think it leads inevitably to a contest that is not a contest which defeats the point of playing the game. I am not saying you or RR or your offer is the problem (I agree it's GREE's game mechanics). But I don't agree with you that your offer represents any kind of solution either.
You solved the problem of how to be top guild forever at the least cost to you. That's impressive, but the result is boring. Why play a game where the outcome is known before you play?
When did I claim my baby guild was going to dethrone RR? Lol! What are you smoking again Busterroaf? Well, you're not even in RR anymore to even talk like you're going to be relevant to them next major war. You're just a mere minion useful when you have enough gems, you're out if you don't ^^Quote:
Originally Posted by busteroaf
Point is, RR has an opponent who's got double the gems reserved and who's going to make your ex-guild spend more than ever ^^ Thus, Eunutroll's sudden pitch in the forums for, "helping the community, rotating the epics to players, etc." Most people aren't buying this PR move so top 3-10 can keep spending the way they want too, while top 1-2 goes for 50 million points next war =) That is if RR could even go for 50m points. ^^
Again, I won't suggest joining this coalition at all. Join DPA, Evolve, Konoha, Centurion and those other top 10 guilds NOT part of this so called coalition. Those guys have class, really nice group of people and not users. You'd have more fun playing the game with those guilds and players.
The usual hearsay & slander from KM. That aside, no one is arguing those guilds are not viable & won't be there for a long time or more. Every war players retire. Our retirees become top scorers in lower guilds. Everyone moved up. I didn't invent a system to stay #1 forever, my members will decide that. But unlike what KM loves to preach, we are congenial & far more helpful than we have to be. Sparkle asked me today why I formed an alliance with so many weak guilds (top 250, pale riders among many others). I said its because I have no ego & to mock the armor drop system. Am I expected to be an Ahole who is out to screw everyone only because I GM the #1 guild? I see no reason to not help any guild unlucky enough to face us in battle (especially a top 150 guild) & if Gree wants to employ broken systems, of which I started a thread solving the problem before it existed, then by all means, let's break it. RR has been taking losses from other Rainbow guilds since war 1, but it was these "guilds filled with good guys" that took exchanged GM farming to such an abusive level. I'm only creating a monopoly because I have to. More & more players are finding us on Line every day & I need somewhere to put them.
I suspect this FB war will be testing an armor locking mechanic of some sort, & so these non-rainbow coalitions may very well be useless from here on out. & should RR ever come in 2nd or even 3rd, I can assure you, King Mark, no one is jumping ship. & I haven't played this game for a year because I'm the GM of #1 guild. I'm not going anywhere & neither is the Rainbow.
Like Eun said. More Mark trying to bash what he can never hope to accomplish.Quote:
Originally Posted by II King Mark II
And my apologies, I must have mistook one of your minions who claimed his guild was going to take down RR, and their GM was you. Or all the times you've said that RR wouldn't be #1 and yet they continue to stay that way.
Yes, true, I'm not in RR anymore. But I still have a front row seat to watch them stay #1. But I'm some poor lackey who hasn't chosen on his own to move down and help some of the lower guilds get a better footprint into the higher ranks of guild wars. Nope, I was kicked out, just like all the others. Right Eun?
I'm intrigued by this mystery shadow guild that magically from nowhere and has a double stock of gems, ready to take down RR. We don't even know its name yet. I'll believe it when I see it.
For now, go back to being a Sparkle copycat with your avatar and your second, third, or fourth account like you claim everyone else has. How is that original banned account doing for you? Funny that you still have a perma-ban while everyone else is magically back in action. Apparently even the Gree Forums hates you.
Hey dude, I think Eun has been a great strategist for this game and that is why he is the number 1 gm in the game. As for adex I don't need to defend him either. Evolve has been top 10 since the start and may drop out over time. I just disagree with the top 10 guilds all being RCoalition and the marketing around it. Hence the debate.Quote:
Originally Posted by michwlvrins
What happens when there are 11 rainbow guilds? Take turns to drop out of epic? More importantly the game part if the game goes.
And yes gree has many faults but they have fixed many things as well. So chill out
Top 25 is easy with a close knit active group of free players across a span of time zones. This isn't an overnight process, guilds are being built & tiered with 2 ranges of gem use. Essentially all the guilds will be balanced in spending. It's like I said, 2-10 is the same. There will be as many rainbow guilds as there need to be. Free players are happy to have a family on Line & be part of something big. I'm a peacemaker, not a dictator. I'm building up guilds so that as more spenders gain levels & look for high quality guilds, or people leave their current guild for whatever reason, will have somewhere to go. (Without losing too many element bonuses)
Just do a search of "Rainbow" guilds. Most of those aren't mine (The Rainbow Pee for example) but I'm slowly getting these people (who don't know the forum exists) on Line & into K&D communities they never knew existed.
Eunny, I really hate to say it;
Your general trollishness and rampant discouraging is non-existent when you set your mind to a task that you believe to be in the benefit of the greater good. This scares me more than a dictator. The greatest evils have been accomplished by those of the best intentions.
For the record though: I'm neither in support, nor opposed, to the idea as presented. There are merits, and there are disadvantages, to both perspectives. I have no inclination towards either currently, and will go where the tide flows.
How's everything going on the neutral planet, your neutralness?Quote:
Originally Posted by EljayK
Been better, been worse. I have no strong feeling towards itQuote:
Originally Posted by The Pale Rider
LoL!Quote:
Originally Posted by EljayK
Thanks Eljay, I will take what you said as a compliment.
The world around us is changing very fast. Remember The Eunuchorn.
For the record, all of my trolling is geared towards getting people to try & think. It just doesn't work out so well most of the time.
Rainbow Hugs!
Its DPA busteroaf :P. Almost all the top 10 guilds know at this point.Quote:
Originally Posted by busteroaf
I still have screenshots of you saying you like me. I intend to compile all of this into a blackmailing propaganda campaign to worm my way into RR as a F2P for a GW.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eunuchorn
It should be a fun war! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Sparkle_DPA
No blackmail necessary, want to GM a baby rainbow guild for me?
I really hope you're kidding, for your own sake. If Mark was in my guild, I'd quit and never come back.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sparkle_DPA
No one has said anything about him being in our guild. You two have a strong distain for each other apparently. Why would you quit and never come back?Quote:
Originally Posted by busteroaf
Having seen both sides of the equation now, what I would say is that any hatred/disdain for RR and the coalition is probably unfair.
What I have seen is an organised community which has members moving around to make sure that smaller guilds get levelled up faster and gold pumped into these smaller guilds to get their bonuses up so that newer and lower-level members have a little more advantage when levelling.
As for the point re spending: it makes sense if the price of wars can be better controlled and that's probably for everyone's benefit. Having to spend less means a lower chance of burnout from the game and that allows more of the regulars to keep playing. Sure, competition is always a fun challenge but not if it eventually becomes a pyrrhic victory for everyone involved.
Also, in terms of pushing for top spot amongst the bigger guilds, there really aren't that many guilds which are able to or claim they will be able to in the past few wars. Looking at the results, it really does look like 1 or at most 2 guilds will push that hard while everyone else is just trying to ensure their top 10 spot. An arrangement which leads to lower spending amongst the top guilds really should be for everyone's benefit if you think about it, outside of the 1 or 2 guilds which think they can get number 1.
And to be fair to RR, I don't think they drove up gem spending in wars. That is always going to be a function of how hard a challenger pushes RR in a war and the response that comes as a result.
That is one of the many reasons why I keep saying the game wont last much longer. Almost everyone I know is already starting to look for a different game to move over to later on, aka DR or BD. Trying my best not to sound negative, but its just how everything is going right now, and the funny part about it is gree isnt even aware, hence the 0 changes to the game. They are clueless about everything. There is such an easy solution to fix all the current problems but of course, they cant think of it...Quote:
Originally Posted by template
I don't think that's the correct analysis though. Just because most of the top 15 or so guilds aren't prepared to spend the amount required to beat RR's score in the past 2 wars doesn't mean the game is dying, it just means that the price to be number 1 is too high for their tastes. They could very well be happy just being top 10 at a more manageable price and, quite frankly, Eunu is right in that there's little difference between being number 2 and number 10.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sparkle_DPA
Could Gree fix the game or make it better? Yes, but this is probably not the thread for that discussion.
No one is going to keep paying to stay the same rank, thats not how this game works especially with all the ego's floating around, and kd is already at that stage, beginning with un. Gree should be taking that as a warning, but hey, like i said, they probably dont know whats going on. It'll be more clear soon, just give the game 1 more month and you will see what i mean >:O.
Gree have never wanted there games to last. They want people to join, spend big, then move on to the next game they release. They are fully aware of what is happening, and they are happy to see it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sparkle_DPA
It's why they have such disdain for crime city players. They wanted that game shut soon after they bought out funzio, yet the spenders are to high spending, far more than any of the new games to just close it down.
Plus this week there were over 100k players participating in the arena. Not a sign that people are quitting in droves since the last time i tested there were only 70k ish.
Think about it. 30k people that generate 1dollar for gree generates more income than 40people putting in 500usd. The war rewards are pbviously for the whales/serious cashers but there are a lot more people out there spening 5 dollars that dwarf them.
^No one cares about the f2p players, especially gree. Im talking about the highest gem spending guilds aka rr, un, dpa, cents, etc etc.
And pedro, if they really do want the game to die off quick, than they are more ridiculous than i imagined.
Why is that?
Gree earns over $100mil profit a year, doesn't sound so ridiculous. Do you know how they earn most of there money?
They charges developers a very large fee in exchange for marketing and distribution support, along with analytical tools to help developers induce players to spend money.
If other gaming company's pay them that much to help them induce players to spend money, they must know what they are doing.
The offer is nice, but I'm enjoying my guild. We have a good chemistry, and I want to push the limits of what we can do until we have nothing left to give.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eunuchorn
To be quite frank, competition = fun. If one is trying to disband competition, then one is essentially removing fun from the game.
Let's assume that in a perfect rainbow world, the top 10 was full of rainbow guilds. I'd find it hard to believe you wouldn't eventually get bored of the game. Currently, the competition within guild wars is what makes each and every Gree game.
Without challenge, there is no purpose - KOA
Not always true. Some people have such huge egos that they have to be number 1. Wether they have any competition or not all they want to see Is there own name in shining lights.
So if they can create a top 10 purely of RR it'd make themselves feel even more self important and warm and fuzzy inside.
mmmmm, I disagree. Competition is what makes the game fun, period. Last war was a joke and everyone knows it, and the reason? There was 0 competition. The war before it was much more exciting, and this is coming from players, not from myself, because dpa was fighting for #3(well, kinda) and un and rr were closely matched at 1/2. This next big war will be the final one that has competition. After that, it will all end, unless gree fixes their broken design.
If they wanted competition they wouldn't be trying to eliminate it. They just want to be famous.
For what it's worth I agree that competition is what make the game fun.
Cause noone is scaling rewards for events so that you get something for 50 gems which costs 8 bucks for the 75pack. Yup, gree isnt trying to get any f2p players to fork over a ten-spot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sparkle_DPA
That is such a minimal amount of gems though. In the larger realm of things, gree cares nothing for the non-gem spenders.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hildigam
I honestly find this upsetting, I recently tried to join the rainbow coalition and out of all the guilds i've applied for they treated me with the most respect. For example the moment i told the dark prince's alliance recruiter I didn't spend many gems he stopped all communications. Whereas, the members of RR and RP who I spoke to respected the fact I was trying to be a conservative gem spender.
HarryoftheHill
Who did you speak with from DPA? With that being said DPA is not a coalition such as RR. We don't have any room currently for lower gem spenders due to us being highly competitive. It's just our requirement.Quote:
Originally Posted by Harry.hill52
someone with the line name KOAQuote:
Originally Posted by taylor1993
I think you overestimate your importace there buddy. During wars they get a chunk of change yes we all know that. But outside? A great number have sworn off chest cause the probabilities are so low. Bit if they can get even 10k of the 100k players to spend 8 dollars.... Then you have the money for gree in between wars. Just cause the players aren't on LINE or on forum doesn't mean they don't spend.Quote:
Originally Posted by taylor1993
Immentioned it a while ago, they care very much about the f2p people, but in a way that gets them to spend money.