What do you mean I do not get it lol.
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What do you mean I do not get it lol.
We were worried about stat inflation after the first LTQ, where even free players like me made it half way through prestige without pre-staging.
Gree have certainly fixed that problem, but it seems like a bit if a drastic measure to me.
Now, even with a good amount of pre-staging and a +2 energy regen from the LTQ, I won't finish normal mode, which is something I think should be achievable for a high level free player like myself, basically Gree is saying that unless we pay them hundreds of dollars we don't get a thing anymore.
Terrible value for a few pixels in my opinion, I wouldn't pay that to go to a nice restraunt IRL!
I kind of agree with what you are saying
I think pre-staging was a good strategy don't know why people posted it on this forum for gree to be like hey! They are outsmarting us. Now we suffer with ridiculous amount of energy to get a brick. The people of kingdom age made it nice new units to attack so you can't pre stage. The worst part of this increase in energy requires is for the people that knew nothing about pre staging and don't belong to the forums to know what's going on, their probably scratching their heads.
I love to spend gold on these events but this one I have 0 interest in. Not worth it, bonuses still not working from last one and now we get crappier units for more energy.
Make a new LTQ map make new people/buildings to attack. Don't make it harder for people that have done nothing wrong and have never pre star suffer. Balance it gree.
I agree with EVERYTHING FromAfar posted here...Quote:
Originally Posted by FromAfar
Its not an exploit it's a smart strategy. and one that Gree was probably aware of before the first player ever had the bright idea. Despite popular opinion Gree's not stupid. after all they have a lot of us lining their pockets with our hard earned money. Why do you think the first half of prestige is a repeat of normal mode. They are having us reset the maps for prestige. If entertaining game play was their goal i would think they would be a little more creative then repeating missions.Quote:
Originally Posted by ProCision
I highly doubt this last ltq was an endevor to offset the prestaging. probably just a bad business decision. they aren't stupid but their not rocket scientists either ;)
Hope the next LTQ is better than this one. The only good part is that the final unit is named after our great Devin.
Gree knows how to fix the prestaging by some of you if it wants to. I remember the last Kingdom Age LTQ was at a special place didn't exist on the map, players just had to pound some creatures next to a tombstone the entire event. Very creative by GREEdy. :mad:;)
Well stated. I wonder if more players are joining than leaving?Quote:
Originally Posted by Peppers
Sorry, but I can't take anyone that doesn't know the difference between "to" and "too" seriously. Multiple examples prove it wasn't a typo.
Meh. I'm glad they're gone. Sure, my stats went up fast... but so did my level. If I want to be playing this game with only small amounts of gold AND keep earning decent WD points a year from now... I need to lay off the LTQs. Plus, if they went the other way and the bonuses got bigger and bigger... you'd never be able to quit them, or else people leveling up behind you would all have massive stats. Here's to hoping they stay this way.
Agree. Looks like he also skipped school the day they learned about plurals vs possessives.Quote:
Originally Posted by Campy McCamperpants
There's no way they changed it because of the staging strategy. Could've done that after the first one if they wanted. They know their own game. Staging is not a glitch like one mobile device getting 100% drop rate compared to another, it's built into the game purposefully and has been used as a strategy and discussed in this forum years before LTQs.
While this site has a terrible search function, if you tried searching something like "how to buy nanotech" and managed to dig through the inconceivable amount of pure garbage... you'd undoubtably find pages and pages of tips and tricks on staging map bosses, complete with which are the best, how much they pay, etc. This is nothing new.
Prestaging was an OBVIOUS tactic and GREE developers knew it would happen c'mon guys. How dumb do you think they are??? The mistake was making it so easy in the first place and with whopping rewards.
This thread is correct if you have prestaged which i admittedly did then you have exploited the game therefore in a way you have "hacked" the game. As you well know any forms of exploitataion of the game is illegal and thus GREE has taken action.
Amen! +1 - Taking away the sweet rewards that once inspired me to spend a lot of real money on an imaginary game. All of the above just makes me want to put the game down - or at least stop spending money on it!Quote:
Originally Posted by Peppers
As for ANYONE who thinks pre-staging targets is cheating - you are displaying the WORST error in logic I have ever seen. You sound silly! It is not a cheat / a trick / or anything less than simple strategy. It is STILL a risk - you don't know what maps are going to be on the next LTQ - so even hitting up a 0/13 target 10 or 11 or 12 times is a gamble - most of the targets are a one hit anyway - can't really do anything to prep that - so the 0/3 - 0/4 - 010 targets really only represent about 20% of the missions.
It's like saying that a person who knows ahead of time that there is a toll coming up - goes to the bank and buys rolls of quarters - and pre-stages them in zip-lock bags in order to get through the toll both quicker is somehow cheating ? Really - because that scenario sounds like a solid comparison to me and just as ridiculous.
Same thing with the Broken LE sets - it's not cheating - it's playing the game the way it is allowing us to play it - everyone - on an equal playing field. You either see a strategy and use it - or you stay un-informed - un-prepared - and then blame everyone else because you were left behind.
Which best describes you?
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Yeah, right, I don't believe for a second any of you would stop spending real money regardless of what Gree does!
You all talk tough, but you all will be right back at it the next event.
The Cartel failed and the Boycott was marginally successful. Prove me wrong!
Marginally successful? How about - Top 10 went from 15 million in Ireland - 18 million in China to 24 million in Columbia. How is THAT considered at all successful - unless you own stock in Gree?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bart
Oh wait - you said the Cartel failed - ok - I see what you did there :)
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WHAT?? Prestaging is an exploit??? It doesn't take a genius to work out that Prestaging. As someone rightly pointed out, It's a simple bait and switch. This was planned by Gree months back. They may stuff up the programming occasionally ( okay a lot) but don't question their business savviness.
Haha.. prestaging is an exploit.. Like taking out a home loan to buy a house is also an exploit. Silly
It is an exploit to pre stage. It is called a LIMITED time quest. The aim is to do as much in the time given. If it's all pre staged then you are not doing the quests in the limited time alloted, your are don't it in as much time as you desire. Same as people who use to exploit the energy glitch so it recovered faster.
Where I come from, what is not forbidden is allowed. I'm pretty sure it's the same where most of you come from too.
So where did Gree write that pre-staging is forbidden? No where.
Plus, pre-staging has benefits for Gree and disadvantages for the players: they make you level up faster. This is probably the main reason why Gree authorizes it.
I'll say it again, the increase in this had absolutely nothing to do with pre-staging. If Gree didn't want players to be able to take that advantage, the solution would be simple. Just repeat missions several times like they did in a couple LTQ's already. It minimizes the benefits of pre-staging your missions. Or do 25 one-hit missions instead of 5, five-hit missions. There are options that make much more sense then "oh, just double the energy requirement".
This has everything to do with the fact that the LTQ's were completely unbalanced with the rest of the game. Selfishly, I'd love to see them like they were because you could get enormous stat increases for, relatively speaking, minimal expense. Couple this with the easy awarding of the +2 energy boost last event, and the problem was magnified even greater. Enormous stat gains from indestructible units for hardly any "cost". If it seems too good to be true... what? It probably is!
I've been wrong many times before, but I would expect that we'll see another adjustment to the LTQ's soon. They'll keep the mission count down from the earlier events, increase the energy requirements for each missions (as compared to early events), but keep the total energy requirement around for the event around 115-135k energy.
I doubt you'll ever see a 25k raw boost to your stats available for 2k gold again. We might be lucky to see 15-20 indestructibles awarded and around a 6-8k raw stat boost. But rest assured, the reason that is the case has absolutely nothing to do with pre-staging and everything to do with balancing the event.
whats all this dumb talk about exploitation? You want to know where the exploitation is? how about Gree allowing players to buy victory and advantage in their advertised and marketed "strategy game". The only ones being exploited around here is us.
only read first few posts and yes i also keep my mouth shut no matter what cus i don't want gree getting any ideas about how to make things different aka harder. forums can work against us too
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yes，i agree with you。all of us keep sharing how to prestage and the trick in the game and of cos it will definately spolit the gree plan。guys hope all of you understand，gree is not a charitable organisation that create games for all to play for free。they need to earn profits to pay wages，bonuses for their staffs as they command high wages，rental cost and operational cost is another factor too。they are sandwich in btw but they cant voice their misery out。imagine if u are a worker and yours boss expolit so that he can pay u lesser，how will you feel？
there are many other tricks or ways to get stronger why you guys dun share？for eg how to get the lead soldier etc。
please think of others，if all of us save on spending who is gg to pay for all gree programmer，staffs and wages。if gree goes down，do you think we still have the joy of these game。
i had been reading the forum constantly，all i see is constant complaining and fussing，but lots of you dun understand the real logic behind。the previous ltq is used to narrow the gaps btw those who spend and those whom played for free。this will help those playing for free not to feel so inferior and shock by the difference in stats。if majority of the free player slowly feel that tis game is craps and impossible to compete start to quit what left will be those spending。
hackers spolit the games but those with million in stats also spolit the game，when majority of the player stats are ard 100k face such opponent how will they feel，it is like impossible to match，even they spend hours farming building etc。majority of us are only thinking of individual gains but neglect the feeling of others。so what if you are rich and willing to spend，remember without the poor there wont be the rich，without those free players even if you are strong，you will only be fighting among yourselves。
sadly speaking all have yourselves to be blame，this forum is just a platform for gree to understand how majority of us feel to work on it，in another way counter us back。so majority are dumb enough to fall into the trap。i had played mw for nearly a year and just spend time reading but not expressing a single comment until today。
lastly if those whom had or willing to spend big money since day 1 of the game y complain？isnt 4k gold meagre to what you had spent since day 1? further more most of us had gain，the +2 energy and health boost，our energy reg faster then ever，we have 6 days to complete it。hence if you fully utilise yours energy reg，you wont need to spend 4k of gold to complete。gree give us 6 days to complete，no one else had force or ask us to complete it within 2 hour。aint that dumb？secondly you can always increase urs energy when you level up，but many of you choose to pump stats and waste energy reg。。base on past ltq or event，the reference was said to est 2000+ gold to complete，but if you fully utilise the time frame it can be done with less then 1000 gold。tested and proven。so dun blame other，blame only yourselves。。
pun and ferr killer
This Thread just Irritates me but this needs to be highlighted again and again and again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Miner
Annoys me too. The well reasoned arguments from seasoned players all agree it's nothing to do with staging. Keep using the forum folks. That's what it's here for.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thief
Hi actually that is something I remember from living in France. Here in North America it's about being told what to do while over there it seemed more about what you could do. A very refreshing change.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arnaud
Used to drive the autoroute from Paris to my place just outside of Arles and always chuckled when I hit the billboard of the topless woman holding up the roll of toilet paper. Over here that would never fly, sadly.
Prepare the maps or not... All Gree wants is for us to spend the gold so that we have to buy more. They have tried in CC once, in a more straightforward way, in the "buy what ever you like with 2000 gold and recive this unit" event. That we did not like...
Therefore Gree gave us something less obvious to spend the gold on. The main reason is still the same... Spend the gold...
LTQ's have ruined Kingdom Age. A character that took a year to get to 200k stats with mild gold spending can now (and has now) gone to 800k stats in 3 months with very little gold via LTQ prizes that are better stats than most World Domination prizes.
Personally I hope they totally nerf the LTQ & Boss events so we don't end up in the situation in KA where if you don't have 1 million stats - you can't even find a target to attack during battles.
Inflation in the game with the LE sets was already bad enough - but at least that was still based on a choice to spend gold - now the highest gold units bought last year don't even make it into my Top45 - probably not even my Top 100 :/
So much for being an elite player because you built an account over a long period of time - now a player 3 or 4 months in the game can have stats near those who have played for 16 months - smh