Update Regarding Accomplices

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Originally Posted by Rogerf

I purchased this in game currency to obtain accomplice items in the app, which have now been removed. I am requesting a refund for every purchase made in this manner. Gree induced these "king pin accomplices" as a permanent feature to the game. Gree has since removed them from the game making all of the money I put into obtaining them (metaphorically) vanish. Thanks in advance for a speedy response.

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they didnt remove them, they will be a part of your inventory and will have a different use than before, just think your already ahead of the new feature with all you purchased so far

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Originally Posted by 1Shot

Please keep constructive feedback. No need for repeats of what people have already stated too.

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There is certainly a need to repeat concerns and complaints so the developers understand the scale of the discontent. Very short sighted sir. Or ma'am.

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Originally Posted by Mags33

Mod, do you know what fraud is? Because above is a description of it in this circumstance. Your customers are not chumps; they are professional individuals who are spending real money on this game. When you pay real money for something that cannot be used for the purpose for which it was advertised, or does not have the value for which it was advertised, that is contractual fraud. It is a crime with many different legal remedies. Would my post be more constructive if I listed the available remedies? I can. I'm a lawyer. You're going to need to do a little better than "details to come" to escape legal responsibility.

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Read the TOS. Gree can do whatever they want at any time, and you agree to and accept that every time you login to any of their games.

It's also worth noting that with all freemium games, not just Gree games, you are paying for the product as is when you make an in-app purchase. In other words, you bought gold because you wanted gold. There is no guaranteed benefit from the use of gold, and if you used up all your gold and didn't get what you wanted that's really just too bad. Buy more.

Will you be creating an in game splash screen to tell ALL YOUR PLAYERS? ...or just posting these types of changes on the forum for us?

I say we file a class action lawsuit, or get the BBB involved. Total BS!

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Originally Posted by Weasel

Read the TOS. Gree can do whatever they want at any time, and you agree to and accept that every time you login to any of their games.

It's also worth noting that with all freemium games, not just Gree games, you are paying for the product as is when you make an in-app purchase. In other words, you bought gold because you wanted gold. There is no guaranteed benefit from the use of gold, and if you used up all your gold and didn't get what you wanted that's really just too bad. Buy more.

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What you said made absolutely no sense! You probably gain all of your stats by syndicate jumping, which is definitely something they should get rid of.

Allowing Gree to be dishonest is contrary to your own interest.

The only thing I'll see myself accepting is giving current accomplices bonuses. And still using them In the future.

And hey Abnugget. Lol

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Originally Posted by sister morphine

Or was it some big spenders were being robbed by players they'd been immune to before accomplices, and maybe they started threatening to quit. Where Gree is concerned, sadly money trumps everything.

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I guess those "big spenders" had most accomplices of all :cool:

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Originally Posted by Mags33

Mod, do you know what fraud is? Because above is a description of it in this circumstance. Your customers are not chumps; they are professional individuals who are spending real money on this game. When you pay real money for something that cannot be used for the purpose for which it was advertised, or does not have the value for which it was advertised, that is contractual fraud. It is a crime with many different legal remedies. Would my post be more constructive if I listed the available remedies? I can. I'm a lawyer. You're going to need to do a little better than "details to come" to escape legal responsibility.

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You must not be a very good lawyer...

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Originally Posted by Mags33

Mod, do you know what fraud is? Because above is a description of it in this circumstance. Your customers are not chumps; they are professional individuals who are spending real money on this game. When you pay real money for something that cannot be used for the purpose for which it was advertised, or does not have the value for which it was advertised, that is contractual fraud. It is a crime with many different legal remedies. Would my post be more constructive if I listed the available remedies? I can. I'm a lawyer. You're going to need to do a little better than "details to come" to escape legal responsibility.

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Although it could be worded differently, basically correct and a point that is of great concern for Gree, and for anyone who was induced to spend money or time to obtain the accomplices.

As far as the game goes, reverting to classic battle calculation is appreciated.

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Originally Posted by Dipstik

You must not be a very good lawyer...

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Sorry dip but neither are you. Your pontification on laws frankly is laughable at times.

Just saying.

Not trying to provoke a fight. Just sayin'

If pvp has gone back to stats matter then solve me a riddle

1. Why did a mod state last week they were going to adjust pvp parameters to make them relevant again (accomplices)

2. The pvp calc is too lax. No way should some players with 50% or more less stats be able to rob and pvp successfully. At least the pvp calc prior to the accomplice junk

A big money grab is all it was then, already seen refund screen shots that's good, a company that pulls bullsh1t like this deserves to get money taken off them now if the war spending would only slow down maybe they would start to listen

Mods bringing the hammer down on some of this feedback. They not being harsh, but a big change like this, you do gotta let us vent. Conduct code or not. We're talking about a lot of money. You HAVE to bend some of the rules.

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Originally Posted by Mags33

Mod, do you know what fraud is? Because above is a description of it in this circumstance. Your customers are not chumps; they are professional individuals who are spending real money on this game. When you pay real money for something that cannot be used for the purpose for which it was advertised, or does not have the value for which it was advertised, that is contractual fraud. It is a crime with many different legal remedies. Would my post be more constructive if I listed the available remedies? I can. I'm a lawyer. You're going to need to do a little better than "details to come" to escape legal responsibility.

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..to the point - they've cheated us !

I'm not willing to give my real money to someone who's cheating me...
back to free gaming - yayh !

I say nobody buy gold during this 7 day battle until they come up with a resolution. The last 2 raid boss are now meaningless.........

Wow! I saw an opprotunity to up my game to the top....spent an outrageous amount of HARD EARNED MONEY! now you take away my reward! If this really happens. I will never spend one dollar more on this game....even if you just play the game....how can you a game developer that robs you of what you accomplish. You are losing me

Thanks, GREE. We must adjust with ever changing Crime City game world or just get rolled right over by it. Happy gaming mate. I for one, will adapt my game play and overcome as usual.

Telling a client what he wants to hear is not the mark of a good lawyer. You don't have a cause to sue because you don't like the changes that were made to a freemium game. It's sort of pathetic watching all of you weep and moan no matter what happens. It's always the end of the world, but the pattern has been repeating since 2011.

Apparantly you don't have to sue. The TOS allows for recourse. Common knowledge at this point what that recourse entails. It would seem that gree changing the fundamentals of the game warrants refunds to its customers.

Everyone should remember, at no point have you ever purchased anything from gree.

I was never familiar with the whole accomplice/kingpin system. If accomplices are no more, are kingpins, whatever they are, still a thing?

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Originally Posted by Sleazy_P_Martini

I was never familiar with the whole accomplice/kingpin system. If accomplices are no more, are kingpins, whatever they are, still a thing?

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Nope. Kingpins & accomplices are the same thing.

Accomplices could have worked. They were given too much power though. They made mafia attack / defence stats obsolete overnight. Is this being fixed for PVP?

EDIT: New data push..... Prize for SA is an accomplice?? For real ???

Just got the splash screen for street assault. Top 10 get accomplices. Lol.

Oh man that‘s hilarious.

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Originally Posted by cooch

Sorry dip but neither are you. Your pontification on laws frankly is laughable at times.

Just saying.

Not trying to provoke a fight. Just sayin'

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One response might be, don't feed the trolls. Another might be, what the troll says is pitifully fake to anyone who knows the difference, but unfortunately there are some kids reading this forum who might be be mislead - so, thanks to you for pointing it out.

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Originally Posted by Babytway

they didnt remove them, they will be a part of your inventory and will have a different use than before, just think your already ahead of the new feature with all you purchased so far

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That depends on whether the new function is worth all the expense to those players. ;)

What could it be? The suggestion that accomplices could be used to defend your hood against robs is a non-starter as that's PvP which is officially out. Will their stats be transformed into attack/def mods? Boring! Or into something else like upgrade time/cost reduction mods? Better, but probably not adequate compensation for those who spent insane amounts on the things. Or into some kind of energy/health regen boost? Best so far, but won't happen as it'll affect the bottom line.

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Originally Posted by Winnson

Oh man that‘s hilarious.

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Indeed. Will the usual suspects now be striving to avoid being in top ten? Lmao!

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Originally Posted by sister morphine

That depends on whether the new function is worth all the expense to those players. ;)

What could it be? The suggestion that accomplices could be used to defend your hood against robs is a non-starter as that's PvP which is officially out. Will their stats be transformed into attack/def mods? Boring! Or into something else like upgrade time/cost reduction mods? Better, but probably not adequate compensation for those who spent insane amounts on the things. Or into some kind of energy/health regen boost? Best so far, but won't happen as it'll affect the bottom line.

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Since we're spit balling ideas, and it's clear Gree is presently short on those, let's go with your health regen idea as I think a category dedicated to battle health (not boss health) would be a great idea. My take on it would be each accomplice has +/- stats rather than attack or defense stats, with '+' referring to an added quantity per "tick", and '-' referring to a reduced amount of time between "ticks". A "tick" being the duration of a cycle. For example, battle health refills at a rate of 100 energy every 100 minutes, so in that case one tick = 1/1. A battle health "tick mod" might look something like +1/0 or 0/-1, or whatever Gree were to decide.

I'm sure the numbers would be quite different, and it may be more practical for Gree to offer reductions based on seconds rather than minutes, or make quantity/tick quite rare, but this is just a casual and without care, throwin' it out there kind of thing.

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Originally Posted by sister morphine

Indeed. Will the usual suspects now be striving to avoid being in top ten? Lmao!

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I think it's an additional reward for top ten. Not the only reward. Like the fancy boxes for top 2000 or whatever it was.

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Originally Posted by Weasel

Since we're spit balling ideas, and it's clear Gree is presently short on those, let's go with your health regen idea as I think a category dedicated to battle health (not boss health) would be a great idea. My take on it would be each accomplice has +/- stats rather than attack or defense stats, with '+' referring to an added quantity per "tick", and '-' referring to a reduced amount of time between "ticks". A "tick" being the duration of a cycle. For example, battle health refills at a rate of 100 energy every 100 minutes, so in that case one tick = 1/1. A battle health "tick mod" might look something like +1/0 or 0/-1, or whatever Gree were to decide.

I'm sure the numbers would be quite different, and it may be more practical for Gree to offer reductions based on seconds rather than minutes, or make quantity/tick quite rare, but this is just a casual and without care, throwin' it out there kind of thing.

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As a free player I approve of this. Can't see the "money no object" group going a bundle on it though. When would they stop tapping long enough to take advantage of it? ;)

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Originally Posted by Weasel

Since we're spit balling ideas, and it's clear Gree is presently short on those, let's go with your health regen idea as I think a category dedicated to battle health (not boss health) would be a great idea. My take on it would be each accomplice has +/- stats rather than attack or defense stats, with '+' referring to an added quantity per "tick", and '-' referring to a reduced amount of time between "ticks". A "tick" being the duration of a cycle. For example, battle health refills at a rate of 100 energy every 100 minutes, so in that case one tick = 1/1. A battle health "tick mod" might look something like +1/0 or 0/-1, or whatever Gree were to decide.

I'm sure the numbers would be quite different, and it may be more practical for Gree to offer reductions based on seconds rather than minutes, or make quantity/tick quite rare, but this is just a casual and without care, throwin' it out there kind of thing.

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I approve this message.

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Originally Posted by GREE Official Updates

Attention Crime Lords!


Exciting update: Beginning with the Duel for the Deuces Battle for Empire City, Accomplices will no longer factor into battle calculations. Though all Accomplices you've recruited will still remain in your inventory, battle calculations will be calculated using only Mafia Stats. We hope you enjoy the classic Battle for Empire City and build the strongest Mafia to dominate and defeat your enemies! More details to come on how Accomplices will be used to enhance your Mafia.

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Create a new event that is solely dependent on accomplices and the rewards can be regen mods of any kind or any other non pvp boosts.

Weren't there threads describing the implementation of accomplices by developers on this forum? Where can we find those threads to see what was promised?

Nice job cleaning up the forum.

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Originally Posted by sister morphine

As a free player I approve of this. Can't see the "money no object" group going a bundle on it though. When would they stop tapping long enough to take advantage of it? ;)

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Didn't seem to be much of an issue when all those energy regen mods were going to the top ranks in war. According to the leaderboards those wars were as competitive as any.

Regiardless, Gree simply worked around this new "ability" by increasing the energy requirements for LTQ events. So if anything is done woth battle health regen I pretty much expect there to be several "unforeseen issues."

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Originally Posted by Weasel

Didn't seem to be much of an issue when all those energy regen mods were going to the top ranks in war. According to the leaderboards those wars were as competitive as any.

Regiardless, Gree simply worked around this new "ability" by increasing the energy requirements for LTQ events. So if anything is done woth battle health regen I pretty much expect there to be several "unforeseen issues."

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And there's the whole problem with the company in a nutshell. Give a good reward to a tiny fraction of the player base, then neutralise it by increasing the requirements which simultaneously kicks the other 99% of players in the proverbials. :p

But there's a difference in this case. In previous wars they were spending to get the rank they feel entitled to. Spending ludicrous amounts to get enough accomplices to avoid the horror of a bit of red on their news is a separate issue - I'm not saying I have great sympathy with people who just spend as a default option, as opposed to those who spend for a specific goal, but they're unlikely to be satisfied with a battle health bonus due to the way they play the wars.

I haven't read the whole thread..sorry. But has there been mention of bonus gold from Gree? I too spent some good money on gold used to acquire these accomplices. Not only are they currently useless, sounds like they well never be used as intended.but depending on what type of bonus is on the table, I'm open to hearing about it.

Are you in the gold bonus scheme? That's probably it.