No ****. Did you actually read the post? The OP doesn't have 4 stars sitting around. Fusing 3 stars is the best way for him to get something useful at this point.Quote:
Originally Posted by deathexe
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No ****. Did you actually read the post? The OP doesn't have 4 stars sitting around. Fusing 3 stars is the best way for him to get something useful at this point.Quote:
Originally Posted by deathexe
Fusing 3* hoping to get a particular 4* is a really bad strategy. It'll chew up a lot of crafting time, fusion stones, and gold. The time would be better spent getting one or two of the Bigger 4 and then killing boss 43 for the epic boss+ armors, which have higher stats than Combustion or Guardian regular.Quote:
Originally Posted by Synovia
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Originally Posted by Unresolved
He's not hoping to get a particular one though, hes hoping to get something thats better than Swamp Shaman+, and thats really easy.
Also, I've fused both Guardian and Combustion in the last 2 days, and I've only gone through maybe 10 fusion stones. I'm guessing that fusion isn't a 1/<number of armors possible> probability. I'm guessing that things are weighted.
Well, as long as he reaches 15 on an epic boss, he would almost always be able to have a legendary to fuse.Quote:
Originally Posted by Synovia
Also, since he doesn't have 4 star armors, how would he get a mono earth then? Nemesis armors? A stonescale?
By the way, just because fusing may have gone somewhat good for you, doesn't mea it's an easy fuse. Just wanted to point that out.
If it's weighted, it makes using 3* an even worse choice. You'd have a greater chance of fusing a 2* armor than a 4* armor. Using the combination lists that deathexe posted above, you can see that getting those 2 particular legendaries in 10 fusion stones is pretty unlikely. With the advent of higher stat epic boss armor+, the armors after the Big 4 are just another piece of foundation. I would not base my foundation on some luck dictating whether or not I can fuse one of the half-decent legendary armors with a 3*. As I said before, unless boss stats increase again, one or two Bigger 4 armors are all you need to clear boss 43. I did it with only the Big 4(and a good guild), so it should be very doable with a decent friends list and some maxed 3* armors.Quote:
Originally Posted by Synovia
Which armor is better in arena: Featherblade Battlegear+ (Air, 1186A/1315D) or Aegis of the Dragon non+ (Earth/Air, 1160A/1321D) ? Explain why.
Aegis gets a double bonus from guild bonuses. Feather blade only gets one. Stat wise aegis is better. Can't compare them element wise though, both have their merits and shortcomings.Quote:
Originally Posted by drhawk
Thank for the help! i guess i will level WW+ too seen u said it's cost lesserQuote:
Originally Posted by Synovia
Only if the weighting is towards worse armors.Quote:
Originally Posted by Unresolved
The vast majority of my 3star+3star fusions have given me 3 or 4 stars. Like 90%+
You really think that leveling 2 armors to 20 (to open Bigger4+), 2 armors to 70, another armor to 35, and then finally one to 70 is less work than trying a handful of fusions and then leveling one armor to 70?Quote:
As I said before, unless boss stats increase again, one or two Bigger 4 armors are all you need to clear boss 43.
We'll have to agree to disagree on that.
Even some of the 'failures' you're listing are better than the bigger4 (like Blackfrost) (which has 300 points on Roc+, and is better stats wise than any of the bigger4) (or Sky Guardian).
The bigger4 made a lot of sense when we had 1500 point Big4, 1600 point boss armors, 1800-2000 point Bigger4, and 2200 point boss+ armors.
Now that we have 1900 point boss non-plus armors, and 2500 pt boss+ armors, and a whole bunch of fusable 2500 pt armors, the bigger 4 just aren't worth the point investment. They've got ****ty elemental combinations, and poor stats. There are way too many fusable armors that are better. Even fusing 3 starrs.
everytime I fused a 3 star armor pluses like the dark prince cerburest etc I keep getting 2 stars :) its all luck <3Quote:
Originally Posted by Synovia
Fusable 2500 stat armors? Combustion and Guardian regular are in the 2300's. And yes, leveling a single Bigger 4 is less of a hassle than attempting(and likely failing) to fuse and enhance a 2300 stat armor. The only armor that has been proven fusable and is 2500+ stats is moontide.Quote:
Originally Posted by Synovia
Read back on my replies on the previous page.Quote:
Originally Posted by Synovia
Personally I just levelled to 100, got a decent guild to break rank 250, got Skyguard+, used big 4, Skyguard+, and big friends to crack level 43, and skipped fusing and bigger 4 both altogether.
Ive purchased 800 gems and haven't received them. Ive been billed on my itunes for the $100.00 and still no gems. Its been three days. Ive tried to contact apple and gree with no success. Could someone tell me who i could contact about getting my gems, please? Id really like to use them on the beast chest and there is six days left now. Please help, thank you.
For this boss (Water/Earth) if you had Air/Spirit armor would you use it (double advantage, single disadvantage)? Or would you stick solely with Spirit/X where X is not Fire or Air.
Combustion : 2437Quote:
Originally Posted by Unresolved
Guardian : 2293
Clayplate: 2389.
SO I probably should have said fuseable 2400 point armors.
Your entire argument is based on something you have presented absolutely no evidence for : that one is likely to fail at fusing these things. Like you showed above, if the odds are weighted evenly, you have roughly a 1/6 chance of ending up with either a 2400 point armor, or moonplate.Quote:
And yes, leveling a single Bigger 4 is less of a hassle than attempting(and likely failing) to fuse and enhance a 2300 stat armor.
You have about a 1/3 chance of ending up with a 4star, which means when you try again, your odds of moonplate or the afformentioned 2400 point armors is higher.
That's not likely to fail. Unless you're assuming that I'm saying to only try once. Which I'm not.
2 advantages + 1 disadvantage you do 2/1.5 = 1.33x damage per boss hitQuote:
Originally Posted by gnolaum
1 advantage + 0 disadvantages you do 1.5/1 = 1.5x damage per boss hit
Given that the boss has vastly superior HP, it is almost always better to pick the alternative where you have 1 advantage and 0 disadvantages.
The exception comes where your armor with 2 advantages and 1 disadvantage has much more superior stats than your armor with 1 advantage and 0 disadvantages, for example say, a Sky Guardian against a Chimera Corps+
Well, the same could be said about your argument, where you assume that all chances for fusion are equal and also believe that you'll get good results based on you own experience, which is a very small number of fuses - 'the vast majority of my 3 star + 3 star fusion have given me 3 or 4 stars. Like 90+%.' quoted from you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Synovia
Hi,
The game is working fine for me except for the fact that I am unable to access the Arena feature. Each
time I click it, it loads the connecting.... screen for about a minute and then it says
Cannot Connect
There seems to be a problem connecting to the server. Please wait a few moments and try again.
I have been experiencing this for the last week or so. Is there anyone experiencing the same situation and if there is a fix for this? I have tried deleting and reinstalling the app already.
Regards,
Kelvin
So I don't have a good armor for this boss leveled up. Sky Guardian is good for the low levels, but it's going to quickly fall apart later on. I need to fast track an armor.
I have these but they're all level 1 and non-plus:
Armor of the Bear 1049/780
Soulshard Raiment 1088/776
Wicked Wraith 836/1090
I'm thinking Wicked Wraith is actually the best out of all of these with a combined 1926 and more defense than the other two but want to confirm that. What do you think?
Sorry, but your argument is just as anecdotal as mine. The difference is that the normal method of armor progression does not rely on luck and will get you to the Epic Boss+ status just as easily. Yours hinges upon the 3/19 chance of landing the armor you want. And you need to craft the 3* armors to even fuse for that. If we say that you get one of those three armors every 6 fusions, then you'd need to craft probably 10 different 3* armors(assuming you get a few 3/4* armors back through fusion). That's 10 days worth of crafting time(for one smith). You could max a legendary in that amount of time and then be on your merry way towards taking down an epic boss.Quote:
Originally Posted by Synovia
You're not very good at probability, are you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Unresolved
If you have a 1/6 chance of fusing what you want, you have a 45% chance of having got what you want by fusion 3, 70% by fusion 6, and 80% by fusion 8. It actually escalates faster because any 4 stars you get decrease the pool of unwanted armors.
IE, most people will get one by fusion 4 or 5. The chances that you need to make 15 of them are very small.
Frankly, I'd much rather craft 8-10 3 stars than craft the a 3 star, and the 32 snakeskins it takes to get a 3 star to level 20 to allow the plus version to be crafted, and then spend a ton of time leveling a piece of armor that I'm going to immediately replace as soon as I can.
Also, Dark Prince is the only one that has a useful element combination, and by the time you can farm Dark Prince, you can get to EB43.
Whoops, I'm actually quite tired. Been studying all day. It's 2:30am here and I have a thermo test tomorrow. And why in the world would you use snakes to get to level 20? Spend 2 hours using basics and get it done real fast. And I never recommened DP+. Infernal would be a better choice because it's a hell of a lot easier to farm.Quote:
Originally Posted by Synovia
I agree. The problem is that Rocfeather+ and Swamp+ aren't any better than the epic boss non-plus anymore. Bear (non-plus) is a better armor than either one. Swamp Shaman + only has about 50 points on the current epic boss non-plus and takes about 800 EP more to level.Quote:
Originally Posted by Unresolved
The Bigger4+ made a lot of sense when they were 1800-2100 points and epic boss non-plus were 1600. Now that the epic boss non-pluss are 1850-1900, and better element combinations, they don't make sense at all. Add in the fact that you've got (what I consider) a good chance of fusing something significantly better than either, and they just don't make any sense to me.
Infernal is the only one thats even worth thinking about, but again, Tempered pops up relatively often, and is better.
I don't know about you, but I had 4 Infernal Lord armors before I even got to the level where I could get the fragments. (fusing, chests from free gems, daily rewards, etc). That would have been enough (with a handful of rocs and spectral captains) to ensure a better than Bigger4+ armor. (If the stuff that is fuseable now was then)
The reason I progressed through this game faster than other non-spenders was because I didn't waste time fusing anything. Week one was getting TFs everywhere. Week 2 was maxing the Big 4. Week 3 was buying the last 2 castle expansions. No time to waste gold/smiths fusing for random things. After that, I joined a good guild and got Eurus+ in my 3rd full week. Never looked back since. Can't say I ever enhanced a Bigger 4, because I didn't. But now that good guilds have been locked up, players can't jump from the Big 4 to Epic Boss+, so they need an intermediate. Since combustion/GB/Clay/Tempered are worse than the current Epic Boss+, I just don't see a reason to expend the extra effort into a luck-based system when you could achieve the same results by going the tried-and-true method. If there's anything I learned from this game, it's that luck screws you over.Quote:
Originally Posted by Synovia
So, got two questions today.
1. I fused The Ember Lizard armor with Cloud king, and sadly got Barbarian Raiding gear(man that thing is crap, looks like it's one of the worst 4 star armors out there). Now, I have two other 4 star armors left: Ice Lich, and the Beringar armor(both NQ versions). would it be smart to fuse the Barbarian gear into either of them, or just level them separately and use them on their own?
2. When leveling armors, once it gets to a certain point, it obviously gets highly expensive. Would it make more sense to level the armors you're feeding into the main armor first, thus getting the bonus points, and saving money in the long run? As in, take 5 Snakeskin armors, feed 4 into the fifth one, then do that 3 more times, then take the resulting 4 level 8-10 snakeskin armors and feed them into the main armor? I imagine it's probably slightly less effective then just straight feeding, but if it's not a HUGE hit, it seems like it might be more cost-effective in the long run.
Hi there,
1. There are actually few things good that could come out of Barbarian into Ice Lich or Barbarian into Beringar. Barbarian into Ice Lich would give you mono fire, mono air, mono spirit, fire spirit, or air spirit. no possible good results there, you'd just get some old boss armor, maybe some rocfeather robes. Combining Barbarian and Beringar has can get you all the previous results, with the addition of Earth/Fire, Earth/Air or mono Earth. Nothing useful there either except a possibility of tempered battlegear (earth/fire). I'd suggest fusing Beringar into something with water when you get it, to get a possibility of moontide or clayplate. As for the Barbarian, I have no idea what you could do with it, except fusing with something to get back a mono fire or mono air, then trying for combustion again.
2. Most of the time, no. Higher level armors just give 1ehp more per level, so for the snakeskins, you're swapping 24ehp for 2 levels (more if you fuse snakeskin into basics). The only time I do something like this is near the end, when I need just a few more EHP to finish totally levelling the armor, but don't want to spend another 20+k. I'd use basics to fuse into my 50 EHP armor.
Hope that answers your questions!
Hi,
I got bkal and starmetal rainment, both kinda useless. If I were to use them to enhance any armor, will thry yield 90ep or 72 ep.
The only time it's economically feasible is when you have reached around level 75 in an epic. (by my very quick diner napkin math; which is poor). There is a strategy some people use that gets an uncommon up to level 11 so it's worth 20 points in on-element fusions, but it takes 1 uncommon, 8 basics, and two 4-set enhances. (500+2400+600+1200=4700). It is used because it takes half the time of snakeskins and gives the same if the element doesn't match snakeskins.Quote:
Originally Posted by Starwulf
Best idea is Gabzor's. The standard leveling progression of an epic boss armor, for example, is basics to 12 or 20 depending on time and preference, snakeskins to 45/50 depending on same, fusion armors to 70. Feel free to substitute fusion boost armors for fusion armors if you have them.
For the idea of completeness the fusion armors are fire/air, fire/earth, spirit/wind, spirit/water. Fusing those basic armors together has a 100% chance at an armor that gives 41 base EP and 50 EP when elements match.
Anybody know this?
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Originally Posted by monch9
noob question.
in arena
1.when you attacker, what is added.
2.when you defender, what is added.
(a) guild element bonus
(b) rank: like high commander, sentinel ,etc.
Everything for either side.Quote:
Originally Posted by CASKA
Honestly, no idea. I don't think it's ever been brought up before.Quote:
Originally Posted by monch9
I thought starmetal counted as 'all elements'; but it's been brought to my attention that it matches no elements when being enhanced; so I would tend to think that it matches no elements when being used for enhancement.
That would be logical anyway; so that probably means the opposite is true :P
Does anyone know when the following armors were released?
Guardian's battlegear, tempered battlegear, combustion armor, clayplate mantle, boilerplate armor.
Combustion Armor was added on the 4th of July. No idea about the others though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Meepo
I'm just curious, why is this interesting you?
What about basic armors ◑︿◐Quote:
Originally Posted by Necromancers
What is the best use for Nemesis armor after the week has paste. Enhancement fodder, or is it useful in fusions and such?
I believe nemesis is the equivalent of one silver star armors. Enhancement fodder I would say.Quote:
Originally Posted by gnolaum
Enhancement if you need points. If memory serves me they give 41 base, 50 on element. They used to count as an uncommon (silver star) before they changed it to straight NEMESIS. Whether that means it fuses as a silver star, or it fuses as something different now, hasn't really been tested yet. If you want to fuse it, feel free. If you need EP, go for it. It's really up to you, since it isn't particularly useful for either.Quote:
Originally Posted by gnolaum