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Fig Oni
01-11-2012, 11:32 PM
Saw a rival with 3 mossberg 590 does anyone know where to farm them he also had the trick razor looked good too sending the pictures
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G Wiz
01-11-2012, 11:39 PM
You mean Funzio let that beast out before i hit 500 m4's!? This needs to be confirmed asap!

Fig Oni
01-11-2012, 11:44 PM
the proof is in the pictures I'm well excited glad i didnt farm m4's

Bruiser
01-11-2012, 11:48 PM
This needs to be dealt with immediately...It opens up a pandora's box i'd imagine

Tramp Stamp
01-12-2012, 12:00 AM
Well...

Financial District - Hotel: 19% or 0.09 per 1000 energy
Broadway - Symphony Hall: 24% or 0.13 per 1000 energy
Boardwalk - Carousel: 29% or 0.13 per 1000 energy
Pier 13 - Sal Massino: 46% or 0.19 per 1000 energy
Empire Central Station - Muscles Mulroney: 49% or 0.30 per 1000 energy

G Wiz
01-12-2012, 12:04 AM
I say we start some groups to farm certain areas tramp stamp mentioned

Tramp Stamp
01-12-2012, 12:06 AM
By comparison:

M4 A1 (20/22)
Boardwalk - Shooting Gallery: 14% or 1.04 per 1,000 energy
Atk/Def per 1,000 energy: 20.8/22.88

Mossberg 590 (50/50)
Empire Central Station - Muscles Mulroney: 49% or 0.30 per 1000 energy
Atk/Def per 1,000 energy: 15/15

It looks like farming M4 A1s until unlocking Empire Central Station is the way to go.

Fig Oni
01-12-2012, 12:10 AM
Well...

Financial District - Hotel: 19% or 0.09 per 1000 energy
Broadway - Symphony Hall: 24% or 0.13 per 1000 energy
Boardwalk - Carousel: 29% or 0.13 per 1000 energy
Pier 13 - Sal Massino: 46% or 0.19 per 1000 energy
Empire Central Station - Muscles Mulroney: 49% or 0.30 per 1000 energy

They've been here all along

Bruiser
01-12-2012, 12:14 AM
They've been here all along

Just been kept on the down low...lol

Bruiser
01-12-2012, 12:15 AM
By comparison:

M4 A1 (20/22)
Boardwalk - Shooting Gallery: 14% or 1.04 per 1,000 energy
Atk/Def per 1,000 energy: 20.8/22.88

Mossberg 590 (50/50)
Empire Central Station - Muscles Mulroney: 49% or 0.30 per 1000 energy
Atk/Def per 1,000 energy: 15/15

It looks like farming M4 A1s until unlocking Empire Central Station is the way to go.

I'll start farming the Station tonight and come up with some data i guess.

Bruiser
01-12-2012, 12:19 AM
Just had a look and it is 6 * 276 energy and it was going to cost me 2.7mil just to start farming...I'll stick with the M4A1's for now ;)

G Wiz
01-12-2012, 12:19 AM
I'll start farming the Station tonight and come up with some data i guess.I will assist

Ram
01-12-2012, 12:54 AM
I will farm it tomorrow night at the station!

G Wiz
01-12-2012, 01:34 AM
got nothing after my first hit...gatta say thats discouraging! Might still go with the M4's

Bruiser
01-12-2012, 02:21 AM
got nothing after my first hit...gatta say thats discouraging! Might still go with the M4's

You have to do all 6 to have a chance at the reward :P

G Wiz
01-12-2012, 04:18 AM
You have to do all 6 to have a chance at the reward :PI should have communicated better. I did it 6 times though. So much energy; so little patience

Anubis
01-12-2012, 04:18 AM
IF you think farming 490 M4's is taking along time, it would take a decade to farm up 500 of those.

Exciting stuff tho.

BigCheese
01-12-2012, 06:25 AM
ok i am switching kingdom....

sez
01-12-2012, 06:42 AM
I'm hitting Muscles in Empire Station now, need to wait for the last hit. It did cost me 1.78 mil to buy the weapons but the weapons I bought boosted my attack 111 points. I'll hit him a few times and post my results. Bored with M4's but will go back if this doesn't pan out.

BigCheese
01-12-2012, 06:50 AM
lots of gold spender r going to get their a$$ kicked with these beast flying around.

Cooz
01-12-2012, 07:05 AM
Just had a look and it is 6 * 276 energy and it was going to cost me 2.7mil just to start farming...I'll stick with the M4A1's for now ;)

How does that saying go? One in the air is better than two in the bush? One advantage looting it from there has is the job payout is pretty high, but that's an insane amount of energy for a low chance at getting it. I'll give it a shot in a few hours when my energy refills. Somehow, I don't think it'll work though.

Anubis
01-12-2012, 07:39 AM
Im working on Pier13 atm, should have a hit finished in 2hours.

If this weapon is about, I will be upgrading to goodfella.

Rarelibra
01-12-2012, 07:45 AM
Im working on Pier13 atm, should have a hit finished in 2hours.

If this weapon is about, I will be upgrading to goodfella.

If this proves to be a successful attempt, imagine the arms race we are about to create.

500 Mossbergs at 50/50 would be 25k att and 25k def - just for guns. Like Borat would say... "NIIIIIIIIIIIICE!"

hunter
01-12-2012, 08:09 AM
would you guys stop blah blah blah & wait for the result from @sez.

I believe if it appear, it should appear at Empire Central Station.

Cooz
01-12-2012, 08:17 AM
would you guys stop blah blah blah & wait for the result from @sez.

I believe if it appear, it should appear at Empire Central Station.

But now you're "blah blah blah" ing...

BigCheese
01-12-2012, 08:34 AM
don't care... ain't we all blah blah blah

Cooz
01-12-2012, 08:46 AM
don't care... ain't we all blah blah blah

You know it!! It's not like any of us are at work and supposed to be doing something else...ahem...

sez
01-12-2012, 09:16 AM
would you guys stop blah blah blah & wait for the result from @sez.

I believe if it appear, it should appear at Empire Central Station.

Well I have completed Muscles Mulroney at Empire Station twice, I even used 20 gold to refill my energey and no drop. I am going to give it at least 5 times total before making any conclusion, right now I am 3/6 on my 3rd attempt and should be able to finish by 3-4 pm. That will also give me enuff xp to lvl up and I can complete him again right away.

On a side note my 1st attempt gave me 45,000$ and my 2nd gave me 50,000$. Not a total waste.

sez
01-12-2012, 09:19 AM
Well I have completed Muscles Mulroney at Empire Station twice, I even used 20 gold to refill my energey and no drop. I am going to give it at least 5 times total before making any conclusion, right now I am 3/6 on my 3rd attempt and should be able to finish by 3-4 pm. That will also give me enuff xp to lvl up and I can complete him again right away.

On a side note my 1st attempt gave me 45,000$ and my 2nd gave me 50,000$. Not a total waste.

To be honest in case anyone is doing the math, I spent 5.99$ for 50 gold and refill'd my energy twice.

hunter
01-12-2012, 09:46 AM
the drop rate is 0.3, you will need at least 3-4 times to be sure. You don't need to rush, we still have plenty of time ahead.

downrange
01-12-2012, 10:32 AM
Actually, the drop rate is .49 (almost 50%). The 0.3 value is the expected number of items per 1000 energy spent, which is less than the drop rate in this case because it costs more than 1000 energy for one shot at the loot.

edit: Based on probability of 'flipping a coin' though, I agree on at least 3-4 attempts before we all get discouraged. I've got my fingers crossed for a positive indication before you hit 3 or 4 though, sez. Thank you for blazing the trail!!

downrange
01-12-2012, 10:41 AM
Oh yah, and about the Trick Razor mentioned in the initial post. That one's not too interesting to me, but the S&M Choker would be. If the Mossberg is indeed unlocked, I'd take that as a strong indication that everything we see from allhaildiscordia's analysis may be unlocked too. Happy hunting and please report!

MadHatter
01-12-2012, 10:44 AM
has anyone actually got any of these yet?

As i love m4's im sticking too them............ i think

Tramp Stamp
01-12-2012, 11:35 AM
If anyone is wondering how far to go with this before giving up, here is a probability table for the chances of at least one success by number of trials:

Trials(1) = 49.00%
Trials(2) = 73.99%
Trials(3) = 86.73%
Trials(4) = 93.23%
Trials(5) = 96.55%
Trials(6) = 98.24%
Trials(7) = 99.10%

By trial #8 the probability is over 99.99%. Fun fact, this is why 8 trials are often used in double blind testing where the random chance of success is 50%.

Cooz
01-12-2012, 12:22 PM
If anyone is wondering how far to go with this before giving up, here is a probability table for the chances of at least one success by number of trials:

Trials(1) = 49.00%
Trials(2) = 73.99%
Trials(3) = 86.73%
Trials(4) = 93.23%
Trials(5) = 96.55%
Trials(6) = 98.24%
Trials(7) = 99.10%

By trial #8 the probability is over 99.99%. Fun fact, this is why 8 trials are often used in double blind testing where the random chance of success is 50%.

You learn something every day!

Are you an actuary or statistician in your day job?

sez
01-12-2012, 12:41 PM
And my 3rd time around with Mr. Mulroney was not a charm.......another 49,000$ but no brown goodie bag, hafl way complete on 4th try.

Anubis
01-12-2012, 12:51 PM
tried pier 13, nothing.

Would like to hear a success story, at least one.

dudeman
01-12-2012, 01:13 PM
Well it's not like I'm having great luck with the M4A1s, so I'll try out Sal Massino. Should have it done in... 13 hours, unless I don't feel like staying up until 4am, in which case it will have to wait until tomorrow.

What a terrible job to farm.

Ram
01-12-2012, 01:15 PM
I tried once and only got 41k!

Anubis
01-12-2012, 01:18 PM
I have to say it seems rather suspicious that no-one on the forum has received just 1 yet.

procsyzarc
01-12-2012, 01:22 PM
If this does exist and the drop rates are correct each one on average should cost (276*6) / 0.49 = 3379 energy
Compared to the MA41 which cost 135*7= 945 energy
So each Mossberg effectively costs 3.57 MA41’s

So for 3379 energy you would average 50 attack 50 defence with the Mossberg or 71.4 attack and 78.5 defence if your last mafia member had no gun.

However assuming your worst gun is at least 10 attack 6 defence this changes to 40 attack 44 defence for the Mossberg and 41.4 attack and 60.8 defence MA41

So after looking at the figures if all is correct I will go 400 MA41’s then try for 100 Mossberg’s since there are a lot of guns around the 15 attack mark the gain for the MA41 in the last 100 is less worthwhile. Would be great to go for 500 Mossberg’s but that would take 391 days if you never waste a single energy.

Tramp Stamp
01-12-2012, 01:26 PM
Number of trials to 99.99+% of at least one drop:

Financial District - Hotel: 44
Broadway - Symphony Hall: 34
Boardwalk - Carousel: 27
Pier 13 - Sal Massino: 15
Empire Central Station - Muscles Mulroney: 8

erik
01-12-2012, 01:28 PM
WTG forerunners.

dudeman
01-12-2012, 01:36 PM
Number of trials to 99.99+% of at least one drop:

Financial District - Hotel: 44
Broadway - Symphony Hall: 34
Pier 13 - Sal Massino: 15
Empire Central Station - Muscles Mulroney: 8

Hmm... If I go ahead with my attempt on Sal Massino I will be lucky to get one drop in 8.22 days. 500 would take 11.26 years at that rate, and that's only if ALL of the energy generated in that time is spent on this mission. 10.14 years for goodfellas.

erik
01-12-2012, 01:39 PM
Tramp has given us the amount of trials to determine whether they drop period, not the rate they will drop over time. It will be much higher if they drop at the rates listed earlier in the thread.

Tramp Stamp
01-12-2012, 01:48 PM
Assuming it does drop, stat-added efficiency of the Mossberg's best location is about 70% when compared to the best location for the M4 A1, with the understanding that the Mossberg has a much higher ceiling to justify the drop in efficiency.

Anubis
01-12-2012, 01:52 PM
I guess 1 mosenburg is the same as 2 M4's.

Im still very concerned we have not seen one yet. Working on my second Pier 13 now.

Tramp Stamp
01-12-2012, 01:55 PM
A conclusion will come faster if participants would post the locations and number of trials.

sez
01-12-2012, 01:55 PM
1 more hit and I complete my 4th time with Muscles, currently at 83 energy...

Fig Oni
01-12-2012, 01:58 PM
The person with the mossberg on my empire time and he's only 6 lvl's above me using no gold weapons but I could ask him where he got them from but he bit a trouble like to 50+ spam your message and I only attacked him because I lost my patience with him. He did today rob me and asked if I like to join his mafia might take him up on that.

Has Any forum user got a mossberg in the past 12 hours or so???

sez
01-12-2012, 02:00 PM
The person with the mossberg on my empire time and he's only 6 lvl's above me using no gold weapons but I could ask him where he got them from but he bit a trouble like to 50+ spam your message and I only attacked him because I lost my patience with him. He did today rob me and asked if I like to join his mafia might take him up on that.

Has Any forum user got a mossberg in the past 12 hours or so???

post his code so we can verify he has 3 of them...

Duke.0
01-12-2012, 02:01 PM
I'm trying the carousel in boardwalk.
Its 320 x 7 energy, can't do it in one shot with only 1230 energy. = 2240 total energy. Still waiting for it to refill.

i'll let you know what happens on my first attempt.


EDIT: I'm glad i only have 210 M4's. If this item is true, its a potential game changer :) Although it takes a boat load of energy for each one. The first one, financial district, takes 370*6.

Cooz
01-12-2012, 02:06 PM
I'm trying this only so I can later on express my hindsight-based doubt on this working.

Fig Oni
01-12-2012, 02:07 PM
post his code so we can verify he has 3 of them...

He's not my friend yet I'm going to ask him to send his code then I'll post it he active player after 9-10am GMT so don't expect the code too soon but I could take some of his inventory picture right now and post them

dudeman
01-12-2012, 02:07 PM
Tramp has given us the amount of trials to determine whether they drop period, not the rate they will drop over time. It will be much higher if they drop at the rates listed earlier in the thread.

Now I get it.


Number of trials to 99.99+% of at least one drop:

Financial District - Hotel: 44
Broadway - Symphony Hall: 34
Pier 13 - Sal Massino: 15
Empire Central Station - Muscles Mulroney: 8

So these 101 trials will or should determine whether the Mossberg 590 is dropping at all.

Could the people who have completed attempts on any of the jobs update Tramp's list? No point in people making unnecessary attempts if it is determined the gun is still locked away.

Duke.0
01-12-2012, 02:10 PM
The first post said the Boardwalk Carrousel has them too? Is that not right? Or did he forget to put that into his 99.99% trial thing.

Tramp Stamp
01-12-2012, 02:10 PM
To get things rolling, based on partial data already given in thread:

Financial District - 0 successes out of 0 trials (out of 44 total trials)
Broadway - Symphony Hall: 0 successes out of 0 trials (out of 34 total trials)
Boardwalk - Carousel: 0 successes out of 0 trials (out of 27 total trials)
Pier 13 - Sal Massino: 0 successes out of 1 trials (out of 15 total trials)
Empire Central Station - Muscles Mulroney: 0 successes out of 5 trials (out of 8 total trials)

Breakdown

Pier 13 - Sal Massino
Anubis: 0 out of 1

Empire Central Station - Muscles Mulroney
G Wiz: 0 out of 1
sez: 0 out of 4

Tramp Stamp
01-12-2012, 02:11 PM
The first post said the Boardwalk Carrousel has them too? Is that not right? Or did he forget to put that into his 99.99% trial thing.

I missed it. Will go back to correct.

Tramp Stamp
01-12-2012, 02:13 PM
So these 101 trials will or should determine whether the Mossberg 590 is dropping at all.

Correct, though it's now 128 trials with the missing Boardwalk entry included.

Duke.0
01-12-2012, 02:13 PM
Okay :) I'll work on farming the Boardwalk location for now.

dudeman
01-12-2012, 02:15 PM
Ok, well I already bought the useless items to unlock Sal Massino, so I'll see if I can help out. Like I said, probably won't finish that until tomorrow.

Fig Oni
01-12-2012, 02:19 PM
Send a request to give me his mafia code just have to wait his 6 hour building were still open for collection so he gone bed I assume

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Duke.0
01-12-2012, 02:25 PM
Send a request to give me his mafia code just have to wait his 6 hour building were still open for collection so he gone bed I assume

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Good to know they exist, they look awesome!

Cooz
01-12-2012, 02:33 PM
I'm on Broadway, my first effort will be done in a little over an hour.

Anubis
01-12-2012, 02:33 PM
Breakdown

Pier 13 - Sal Massino
Anubis: 0 out of 1

Empire Central Station - Muscles Mulroney
G Wiz: 0 out of 1
sez: 0 out of 4

I just spent 40gold on 2 energy refils I could not afford (290 gold left for 2x gent clubs lol) 7/8 on Pier 13 for second time so will let you know in 1.5hour if still awake.

Fig Oni
01-12-2012, 02:36 PM
Mass Carnage 78att 59def don't look as good now for 160 gold but still need a confirmed location for the mossy

sez
01-12-2012, 02:40 PM
To get things rolling, based on partial data already given in thread:

Financial District - 0 successes out of 0 trials (out of 44 total trials)
Broadway - Symphony Hall: 0 successes out of 0 trials (out of 34 total trials)
Boardwalk - Carousel: 0 successes out of 0 trials (out of 27 total trials)
Pier 13 - Sal Massino: 0 successes out of 1 trials (out of 15 total trials)
Empire Central Station - Muscles Mulroney: 0 successes out of 5 trials (out of 8 total trials)

Breakdown

Pier 13 - Sal Massino
Anubis: 0 out of 1

Empire Central Station - Muscles Mulroney
G Wiz: 0 out of 1
sez: 0 out of 4

I have not finished my 4th try, i am 5/6 on my 4th try, i have 235 energy right now, i'll post as soon as i am finished with 4th.

sez
01-12-2012, 03:09 PM
Officially 0-4

Cooz
01-12-2012, 03:49 PM
0-for-1 on Broadway...

UPDATED:
Financial District - 0 successes out of 0 trials (out of 44 total trials)
Broadway - Symphony Hall: 0 successes out of 1 trial (out of 34 total trials)
Boardwalk - Carousel: 0 successes out of 0 trials (out of 27 total trials)
Pier 13 - Sal Massino: 0 successes out of 1 trials (out of 15 total trials)
Empire Central Station - Muscles Mulroney: 0 successes out of 5 trials (out of 8 total trials)

Breakdown

Pier 13 - Sal Massino
Anubis: 0 out of 1

Empire Central Station - Muscles Mulroney
G Wiz: 0 out of 1
sez: 0 out of 4

Broadway - Symphony Hall
Cooz: 0 out of 1

Anubis
01-12-2012, 04:06 PM
barely stayed awake for it,

0/2 on Pier 13.

I might try one more tomorrow then done.

Duke.0
01-12-2012, 04:53 PM
Yeah i was thinking, its like 70+ experience each hit for me on Boardwalk. I might try twice total and then pass it along to somebody else.

I don't want to level up that fast, and not get anything out of it like an item. ;)

Cooz
01-12-2012, 04:56 PM
It's 104 xp on Broadway. Good cash though if you don't care about xp

downrange
01-12-2012, 05:16 PM
OK, I don't want to dampen the excitement here, but I have a theory that may be in play.
Perhaps this particular point could be cleared up after communication with the player who has those 3 Mossberg's.

What I'm wondering though, is if that particular player is using the iPad HD version of CC, which was updated on Jan 10 and includes 'bug fixes'. My theory/assertion is that only players using that version of the game, which includes an updated 'data file' that was referenced in this or some other recent thread, might actually have the Mossberg (and other previously 'locked' PVE loot items such as that Trick Razor, perhaps) dropping since the 10th. Players using the Universal Binary version of CC (on iPhone or iPad) are almost certainly using the data file from Dec 14 (last update), which includes the new buildings released on that day, but no change to the Mossberg and several other PVE loot items.

I suggest folks update Tramp's accounting list with information about attempts using the HD version (and thus the 01/10/2012 data file). I suspect that folks using the Universal version still have an effective drop rate of zero for the Mossberg, and... well... As much as I deeply appreciate the efforts i see in this thread (totally awesome! sez, cooz, anubis, you rawk!), it's with mixed emotion that I recommend to anyone who may be overextending their in-game resources or unduly impacting their real-life time by pursuing this endeavor, but is using the Universal version to do it... you probably should hold off any over-extending until the next iTunes update. Or switch to the HD version (iPad only) if you can.

I could be totally wrong here, and don't want to be a big sourpuss on all the fun, so do as you all will, please! But at least consider that possibility. And anyone with an iPad who's testing this, please use the HD version of CC. And fire at will! Thanks!

Certes
01-12-2012, 05:24 PM
??????

My game (iPhone 4, not HD) has the 01/10/2012 data file....

madawgg
01-12-2012, 05:26 PM
lol so statistically speaking, a rare low probability event just glitters gloriously in front of me...now i really should go buy some lottery, god help me

Fig Oni
01-12-2012, 05:33 PM
OK, I don't want to dampen the excitement here, but I have a theory that may be in play.
Perhaps this particular point could be cleared up after communication with the player who has those 3 Mossberg's.

What I'm wondering though, is if that particular player is using the iPad HD version of CC, which was updated on Jan 10 and includes 'bug fixes'. My theory/assertion is that only players using that version of the game, which includes an updated 'data file' that was referenced in this or some other recent thread, might actually have the Mossberg (and other previously 'locked' PVE loot items such as that Trick Razor, perhaps) dropping since the 10th. Players using the Universal Binary version of CC (on iPhone or iPad) are almost certainly using the data file from Dec 14 (last update), which includes the new buildings released on that day, but no change to the Mossberg and several other PVE loot items.

I suggest folks update Tramp's accounting list with information about attempts using the HD version (and thus the 01/10/2012 data file). I suspect that folks using the Universal version still have an effective drop rate of zero for the Mossberg, and... well... As much as I deeply appreciate the efforts i see in this thread (totally awesome! sez, cooz, anubis, you rawk!), it's with mixed emotion that I recommend to anyone who may be overextending their in-game resources or unduly impacting their real-life time by pursuing this endeavor, but is using the Universal version to do it... you probably should hold off any over-extending until the next iTunes update. Or switch to the HD version (iPad only) if you can.

I could be totally wrong here, and don't want to be a big sourpuss on all the fun, so do as you all will, please! But at least consider that possibility. And anyone with an iPad who's testing this, please use the HD version of CC. And fire at will! Thanks!

I just think there must not be that many location for them and this guy know where it is because 14 days ago till time of post he has lvl up 9 lvl's but in 24 hour he has had the same amount of mossberg's 3 that may indicate the quest on the map must take alot of energy for the return on a mossberg but the strange thing is he know and we don't even if it was an ipad thing some ipad user would have mentioned it by now so the fun part be seeing if he's going to let the cat out the bag and share the location all I can say I'll try and share the info as I don't see the reason to keep it a secret on the forum

hunter
01-12-2012, 05:36 PM
could you tell us his name ?

downrange
01-12-2012, 05:38 PM
??????

My game (iPhone 4, not HD) has the 01/10/2012 data file....

Ok, i didn't realize that was updated on the fly.

It's still possible that the Dec 14 client interprets the 01/10/2012 data file incorrectly, and that the Jan 10 client (HD) bug fixes resolve that, but it's all guesswork really. I guess folks, feel free to totally discount my post about the client versions.

I'm still cautiously thinking there's something to it, as I recall allhaildiscordia posting that there was seemingly no good reason for why some of the items on his spreadsheet (based on the data file) were not dropping as the data in the file would suggest. Seems plausible anyway that the client version evaluation of that data file could have been buggy/broken, and that the Jan 10 HD 'bug fix' update resolved it, where the universal version update hasn't been pushed through iTunes quite yet. I'm just guessing though, so everyone do as you will. And thanks again to those who are trying!

dudeman
01-12-2012, 05:40 PM
Thanks for mentioning the iPad CCHD update, I just tapped download. I hope the list scrolling bug is gone.

Edit: The list scrolling bug is only half fixed. Cool, but that also kind of sucks. I want to be able to see my entire request list too, not just my mob list!

allhaildiscordia
01-12-2012, 05:43 PM
The "data file" is updated weekly, and is the same for the iPhone and iPad HD versions of the game.

hunter
01-12-2012, 05:45 PM
@allhaildiscordia: any changes for boss' items ? especially last areas ?

Fig Oni
01-12-2012, 05:47 PM
could you tell us his name ?

Yes won't be helpful it eddy very common on crime city but he's lvl 111 just done a quick robbery on him just now his amount of m4's is the same as yesterday 117 so he defo not faming m4's no more or got a zero drop if you even see my profile on cc he's sent me messages (boosting what he robbed of me)

hunter
01-12-2012, 05:49 PM
Thanks @Fig

I can't see him, lowest level in my rival list is 124.
If I have to guess, since @sez find nothing at Empire Central Station, I think that item come from a boss, Lt.Fong.
Last time @allhaildiscordia wrote his items are 0.72 .40 Police Special (gun) 9/14 0.22 Riot Gun (gun) 14/17 0.06 Mobile HQ (car) 19/26, but Funzio may change.

allhaildiscordia
01-12-2012, 06:00 PM
@allhaildiscordia: any changes for boss' items ? especially last areas ?


The $ payouts have changed some. No change in loot, including the fact that non-bosses in the last 3 area are marked as dropping loot, but don't define what that loot is, like Carmen in the first area.

allhaildiscordia
01-12-2012, 06:02 PM
@allhaildiscordia: any changes for boss' items ? especially last areas ?


The $ payouts have changed some. No change in loot, including the fact that non-bosses in the last 3 area are marked as dropping loot, but don't define what that loot is, like Carmen in the first area.

hunter
01-12-2012, 06:03 PM
Just saw a Giant car lootable item. That guy got 2 Giant, and 1 listed in Loot item. Could you please look at your list again and find where to loot that car ?

lootable giant
http://www.imgplace.com/viewimg843/2701/63giant.jpg

allhaildiscordia
01-12-2012, 06:10 PM
Just saw a Giant car lootable item. That guy got 2 Giant, and 1 listed in Loot item. Could you please look at your list again and find where to loot that car ?

Goal completion rewards are considered "loot" as well, even if those items aren't dropped by any map location/NPC.

hunter
01-12-2012, 06:12 PM
Thank you, @allhaildiscordia

dudeman
01-12-2012, 06:45 PM
Ok, funny thing just happened.

I was looking through my inventory after some PvP attacking to see how many armored police trucks and boxing trunks I have, since one of each dropped during the fight.

I also noticed that apparently I have a gun called Mossberg 590 Shotgun, 50/50.

I haven't finished with Sal Massino yet, I'm only at hit 4 of 8, so don't ask where it came from...

Cooz
01-12-2012, 06:53 PM
Cooz is 0-for-2 on Broadway

Certes
01-12-2012, 06:59 PM
Ok, funny thing just happened.

I was looking through my inventory after some PvP attacking to see how many armored police trucks and boxing trunks I have, since one of each dropped during the fight.

I also noticed that apparently I have a gun called Mossberg 590 Shotgun, 50/50.

I haven't finished with Sal Massino yet, I'm only at hit 4 of 8, so don't ask where it came from...

A thought...

Could the Mossberg also be awarded for successful completion of goals, much like Exceleros/RPGs/etc? Perhaps you met a goal without knowing?

sez
01-12-2012, 07:00 PM
Make it 0-5 with Muscles at Empire Station. Thanks Downrage for the input, Dudeman I want proof!!!!!

deuces
01-12-2012, 07:10 PM
Ok, funny thing just happened.

I was looking through my inventory after some PvP attacking to see how many armored police trucks and boxing trunks I have, since one of each dropped during the fight.

I also noticed that apparently I have a gun called Mossberg 590 Shotgun, 50/50.

I haven't finished with Sal Massino yet, I'm only at hit 4 of 8, so don't ask where it came from...

Confused how you wouldnt have noticed it before...do you never pvp?

Fig Oni
01-12-2012, 07:15 PM
Make it 0-5 with Muscles at Empire Station. Thanks Downrage for the input, Dudeman I want proof!!!!!

double that show the proof also 15 min ago he sent me a message 'war or peace up to you' I told him peace and ask him about the mossberg but I haven't got a reply also this guy's a korean so there must be some korean forum on cc where he must of got his info from I suspect so my next question will be if he's using an ipad.

sez
01-12-2012, 07:17 PM
Thanks Fig

hunter
01-12-2012, 07:18 PM
@dudeman: have you ever completed any in these places ?
Financial District
Broadway - Symphony Hall
Boardwalk - Carousel
Pier 13 - Sal Massino
Empire Central Station - Muscles Mulroney

Ram
01-12-2012, 07:23 PM
still nothing after the second try...

dudeman
01-12-2012, 07:27 PM
Confused how you wouldnt have noticed it before...do you never pvp?

For the last several levels I have been robbing LMs and similar respect buildings, and relying on respect items, so I haven't been checking my loot inventory very much. When I want to know how many M4A1s I have, I look in the gun inventory. It just happens that this time I wanted to look up two different item types and i knew they were both loot, so I chose the appropriate list to search.

Fig Oni
01-12-2012, 07:36 PM
For the last several levels I have been robbing LMs and similar respect buildings, and relying on respect items, so I haven't been checking my loot inventory very much. When I want to know how many M4A1s I have, I look in the gun inventory. It just happens that this time I wanted to look up two different item types and i knew they were both loot, so I chose the appropriate list to search.

Now that's confusing as funk let's all check our inventory me 1st zero mossbergs

Cooz
01-12-2012, 07:36 PM
That thought kind of came to me earlier too, Dude, thaw happened to me before (having an item I didn't notice I ever got. Don't have a Mossberg now though.

sez
01-12-2012, 07:58 PM
1st I want to say Congrats to Dudeman, after saying that the pic you posted looks iffy at best

downrange
01-12-2012, 08:00 PM
Attached Images

From the artwork quality and the length of the item descriptions, you're using the iPad HD version, huh?

dudeman
01-12-2012, 08:05 PM
I will reluctantly post the pic complete with inventory fingerprint, after I watch Wilfred, which is just coming on.

I don't really want to leave the fingerprint, as you can see the rest of my inventory when I hit your rival list or when we join mobs, but I guess I will make an exception in this case. I might be at 5 of 8 hits by then.

dudeman
01-12-2012, 08:05 PM
From the artwork quality and the length of the item descriptions, you're using the iPad HD version, huh?

That is correct.

sez
01-12-2012, 08:08 PM
You don't have too

JimmyShines
01-12-2012, 08:12 PM
@dudeman: have you ever completed any in these places ?
Financial District
Broadway - Symphony Hall
Boardwalk - Carousel
Pier 13 - Sal Massino
Empire Central Station - Muscles Mulroney

A thought...

Could the Mossberg also be awarded for successful completion of goals, much like Exceleros/RPGs/etc? Perhaps you met a goal without knowing?

Winner winner chicken dinner @Certes and @hunter/khung..... it just might be only a drop for a story mission goal(s).


dudeman just tell us where you currently are in the story goal missions, we all believe u have one, no need to post a pick.

hunter
01-12-2012, 08:36 PM
@Fig: is that 3 Mossberg you saw or 3 items 1 for each kind as attachments ? Just to be sure because the attachments does not show the number of item. Sorry I have to ask because I could not see eddy in my rival list.

dudeman
01-12-2012, 08:59 PM
@dudeman: have you ever completed any in these places ?
Financial District
Broadway - Symphony Hall
Boardwalk - Carousel
Pier 13 - Sal Massino
Empire Central Station - Muscles Mulroney

Financial District --- no
Broadway - Symphony Hall --- no
Boardwalk - Carousel --- no
Pier 13 - Sal Massino --- now at 5 of 8 hits
Empire Central Station - Muscles Mulroney --- no

I have only completed minimum level 1 up to Circuit City, and that's where I stopped with the story and started farming M4A1s.

Pic quality may be affected because I have to resize it to fit the attachment size limit.
764
765

Where did it come from?!

Certes
01-12-2012, 09:06 PM
He's got one, I'm looking at his profile right now.

Dudeman, no need to post your fingerprint if you don't wish to.

sez
01-12-2012, 09:12 PM
If it's only available to iPad HD users its BS, what else is different.

Certes
01-12-2012, 09:21 PM
If it's only available to iPad HD users its BS, what else is different.

For starters, the useage and cost of explosives, and the ability to earn free gold.

camdenistheman
01-12-2012, 09:23 PM
For starters, the useage and cost of explosives, and the ability to earn free gold.

they can earn free gold?

Fig Oni
01-12-2012, 09:28 PM
@Fig: is that 3 Mossberg you saw or 3 items 1 for each kind as attachments ? Just to be sure because the attachments does not show the number of item. Sorry I have to ask because I could not see eddy in my rival list.

correct he has 3 mossbergs in his inventory and also when he is defending my attack they show 3 mossbergs if that helps


If it's only available to iPad HD users its BS, what else is different.

You should send funzio a email asking for the gold you spent on energy refill not that they be giving it back but it a dirty tactic update hd version and leaving the normal version as it was.

deuces
01-12-2012, 09:31 PM
For starters, the useage and cost of explosives, and the ability to earn free gold.

i have the old explosive prices and no ability to earn free gold, currently using the HD ipad version.

Tramp Stamp
01-12-2012, 09:42 PM
Financial District - Hotel: 0 successes out of 0 trials (out of 44 total trials)
Broadway - Symphony Hall: 0 successes out of 2 trials (out of 34 total trials)
Boardwalk - Carousel: 0 successes out of 0 trials (out of 27 total trials)
Pier 13 - Sal Massino: 0 successes out of 2 trials (out of 15 total trials)
Empire Central Station - Muscles Mulroney: 0 successes out of 9 trials (out of 8 total trials)

Breakdown

Broadway - Symphony Hall
Cooz: 0 out of 2

Boardwalk - Carousel
Duke: 0 out of ?

Pier 13 - Sal Massino
Anubis: 0 out of 2
dudeman: 0 out of ?

Empire Central Station - Muscles Mulroney
G Wiz: 0 out of 2
Ram: 0 out of 2
sez: 0 out of 5

Tramp Stamp
01-12-2012, 09:46 PM
Unless there has been an error in data reporting or recording, we can say with statistical confidence that "Empire Central Station - Muscles Mulroney" does not drop the Mossberg 590.

Fig Oni
01-12-2012, 09:53 PM
Unless there has been an error in data reporting or recording, we can say with statistical certainty that "Empire Central Station - Muscles Mulroney" does not drop the Mossberg 590.

I've nearly lvl up for nada nearly 1000xp for 41k return but o well still over 90 lvl away from the big 200

sez
01-12-2012, 09:53 PM
No error from me, I have gone 0-5. I refilled 1000 energy twice and I leveled 1 time which gave me a full 2300 energy refill.

Tramp Stamp
01-12-2012, 09:59 PM
Eh, I shouldn't use terms like "statistical confidence" since a real experiment would have collected 8 trials each from a population, but it's still pretty close. At this point it'd be more meaningful to work backwards through the list assuming anyone is still interested.

G Wiz
01-12-2012, 10:00 PM
0 for 2 at the empire central station...

Im comitting adultery on the M4's!

sez
01-12-2012, 10:02 PM
It pisses me off the CCMark is lurking around and knows were are doing this, I posted I bought gold to refill energy and he can't even lay out the details. Yeah yeah I know "policy" but it's still whack. Different sets of rules and rewards depending on platform yet all platforms play together.

I have bought a good amount of gold in total so I'm not complaing about 5$ for the energy refill.

Also I have the old explosive prices and no free gold, I have no update waiting in iTunes store etc.

Last thing, CCMark preaches about "Policy" but I get my wall spammed every other day with sore losers which is against policy and nothing is done.

Sorry for venting, sucks I missed out on at least 3-4 M4's with all the energy wasted.

hunter
01-12-2012, 10:13 PM
sorry @sez, it's just false alarm. All people in this forum should know what you did for them.

I personally thank you for checking Empire Central Station.

Duke.0
01-12-2012, 10:28 PM
0 out of 1 for Boardwalk

Tramp Stamp
01-12-2012, 10:30 PM
Financial District - Hotel: 0 successes out of 0 trials (out of 44 total trials)
Broadway - Symphony Hall: 0 successes out of 2 trials (out of 34 total trials)
Boardwalk - Carousel: 0 successes out of 1 trials (out of 27 total trials)
Pier 13 - Sal Massino: 0 successes out of 2 trials (out of 15 total trials)
Empire Central Station - Muscles Mulroney: 0 successes out of 9 trials (out of 8 total trials)

Breakdown

Broadway - Symphony Hall
Cooz: 0 out of 2

Boardwalk - Carousel
Duke: 0 out of 1

Pier 13 - Sal Massino
Anubis: 0 out of 2
dudeman: 0 out of ?

Empire Central Station - Muscles Mulroney
G Wiz: 0 out of 2
Ram: 0 out of 2
sez: 0 out of 5

deuces
01-12-2012, 10:31 PM
I think i remember allhail saying before that you could tell from the game data is it was actively dropping or not? he said you just change one value and it goes from active to inactive. Maybe im making this up tho?

dudeman
01-12-2012, 10:33 PM
First attempt on Sal Massino (Pier 13) - in progress - 6 of 8 hits.

hunter
01-12-2012, 10:46 PM
guys, if you see a guy with 2 or more items, it has a chance that he loot that item from some where, but if he only has 1 for weeks, 99.9% that not loot-able.

I passed Financial District, Broadway & Boardwalk multi-times, none.
2 places I have not checked are Pier 13 & Empire Central Station, but I don't think you could get 1 from them during this time.

schnuffler
01-12-2012, 10:50 PM
I've just done the boardwalk carousel - no drop.

youj
01-12-2012, 10:53 PM
It pisses me off the CCMark is lurking around and knows were are doing this, I posted I bought gold to refill energy and he can't even lay out the details. Yeah yeah I know "policy" but it's still whack. Different sets of rules and rewards depending on platform yet all platforms play together.

I have bought a good amount of gold in total so I'm not complaing about 5$ for the energy refill.

Also I have the old explosive prices and no free gold, I have no update waiting in iTunes store etc.

Last thing, CCMark preaches about "Policy" but I get my wall spammed every other day with sore losers which is against policy and nothing is done.

Sorry for venting, sucks I missed out on at least 3-4 M4's with all the energy wasted.

You know, you shouldn't be complaining since the way you guys acquired the knowledge of where these rare items are and their suppose drop rates puts you guys in huge advantage compare to regular CC players who does not know how to look at the game data files.

The act of looking at game binary and data files are not intended by Funzio and could be considered borderline cheating.

If you get your wall spammed, you could always email crime city support and they would be able to help you. Complaining about it here won't get you anywhere.

downrange
01-12-2012, 11:12 PM
The act of looking at game binary and data files are not intended by Funzio and could be considered borderline cheating.

While there is some validity to this, reality is that this kind of information would be discovered by players over time, and shared in forums like this eventually - even the approximate drop rates as recorded by player experience. Access to this plaintext information saves us some uncertainty and brute force grunt work (but as we see clear evidence of in this thread, it also spins us into pursuing potentially fruitless paths too -- it's not all roses and sunshine).

Given FUNZIO's policies that seem to prevent disclosure of major parts of the fight mechanics, rivals list population methods, and generally any two way communication -- which seems to be less information transparency than is common with other games/developers -- looking at these files brings the level of information available to interested players who seek it, back into a bit of balance in my opinion.

I certainly don't like the implication of 'cheating' mixed in there. But I do understand your position, and I suppose I'm showing my own bias, as I like knowing what I'm doing rather than playing a game nearly blind, and that information helps.


edit: The vast majority who choose not to do a simple Google search, or even check out the developer's own website/forum regarding a game they invest weeks and months in, should not be considered disadvantaged vs players who do seek out publicly posted information. They are having fun with the game in their own way, apparently. I (we?) enjoy it differently. The players like us who do participate in the exchange of that information, however acquired, do get an advantage vs those who don't, but that's a bit of a stretch to label it cheating.


edit2: I think FUNZIO is probably satisfied with the current situation. You can't argue with success, and sometimes that depends on players of varying degrees of interest and with various different motivations. They could change their policies at any time, and they could hide or obfuscate this information with some additional development effort. Heck, maybe that's what they've done, and we'll only realize it later. I don't think so though. This works for them, and they have a stated zero tolerance policy regarding cheaters. M4 A1 drop rates could've been modified hours, days, or weeks after various postings here, and were not. That's pretty telling.

mongorie
01-12-2012, 11:32 PM
Empire Central Station - Muscles Mulroney
0-2

Halfway through the 3rd try, gonna carry on trying until i get one or until more data comes up to be unlootable

dudeman
01-13-2012, 12:46 AM
Financial District - Hotel: 0 successes out of 0 trials (out of 44 total trials)
Broadway - Symphony Hall: 0 successes out of 2 trials (out of 34 total trials)
Boardwalk - Carousel: 0 successes out of 2 trials (out of 27 total trials)
Pier 13 - Sal Massino: 0 successes out of 3 trials (out of 15 total trials)
Empire Central Station - Muscles Mulroney: 0 successes out of 11 trials (out of 8 total trials)

Breakdown

Broadway - Symphony Hall
Cooz: 0 out of 2

Boardwalk - Carousel
Duke: 0 out of 1
schnuffler: 0 out of 1

Pier 13 - Sal Massino
Anubis: 0 out of 2
dudeman: 0 out of 1

Empire Central Station - Muscles Mulroney
G Wiz: 0 out of 2
Ram: 0 out of 2
sez: 0 out of 5
mongorie: 0 out of 2

xclusiv
01-13-2012, 12:47 AM
anyone got one yet lol

Bruiser
01-13-2012, 01:18 AM
I knew this would open a pandoras box :)

dudeman
01-13-2012, 01:33 AM
Has anyone else noticed that a thread about a new super gun was started only hours after MadHatter was banned for good?

That's awesome.

mongorie
01-13-2012, 03:22 AM
Empire Central Station - Muscles Mulroney
0/3

I wish i had more energy ... 1600 with goodfella just isnt enough!

Nudie
01-13-2012, 03:28 AM
anyone got one yet lol

Looks like the chances of getting one is pretty slim.

Anubis
01-13-2012, 03:37 AM
0-3 on Pier 13.

JimmyShines
01-13-2012, 04:33 AM
@Fig Oni, any word from eddy about how they got the items? Anyone else see this player in there list yet?

Thanks to sez and all the other players that have spent time and in some cases RM on gold refills for energy. sez when you contact support to try and get your gold back tell them you wasted the gold due to there "policy".

Fig Oni
01-13-2012, 04:46 AM
@Fig Oni, any word from eddy about how they got the items? Anyone else see this player in there list yet?

Thanks to sez and all the other players that have spent time and in some cases RM on gold refills for energy. sez when you contact support to try and get your gold back tell them you wasted the gold due to there "policy".

Just woke up now ands saw eddy left a message 2 hours ago it says 'give me million to exchange this very helpful info.very nice gun with 50 att and def'

I replyed 'do you use ipad when playing'

eddy replyed back 'iphone, that way can play apps everywhere'

I return a reply basically grovelling for the info but no reply he a tough nut to crack that eddy

Fig Oni
01-13-2012, 04:55 AM
It pisses me off the CCMark is lurking around and knows were are doing this, I posted I bought gold to refill energy and he can't even lay out the details. Yeah yeah I know "policy" but it's still whack. Different sets of rules and rewards depending on platform yet all platforms play together.

I have bought a good amount of gold in total so I'm not complaing about 5$ for the energy refill.

Also I have the old explosive prices and no free gold, I have no update waiting in iTunes store etc.

Last thing, CCMark preaches about "Policy" but I get my wall spammed every other day with sore losers which is against policy and nothing is done.

Sorry for venting, sucks I missed out on at least 3-4 M4's with all the energy wasted.

Feel you mate. I also agree a little help from cc mark would of helped us instead of this mystery of the mossberg

Fig Oni
01-13-2012, 05:08 AM
grovelling didn't work just replyed now 'as i said 1 million to exchange this info'

so that the end of that for me also rocko can confirm this as he one of my mafia members and he can visit my hood and see my messages it all there I'm stuck.

Lars
01-13-2012, 05:52 AM
grovelling didn't work just replyed now 'as i said 1 million to exchange this info'
And he did not even confirmed it is a lootable item?

If it would easier to transfer ingame money we could set up a "Mossberg fund", sharing the cost among us. :D

sez
01-13-2012, 06:21 AM
0-6 for me at Empire Station/Muscles. Don't waste anymore time or money Fig, I attck'd Dudeman this morning just to see his inventory and it showed he had 3!!! He doesn't even know how he got 1

Anubis
01-13-2012, 06:27 AM
You gonna contact funzio Sez? I've give up but want my 40gold back. Like Jimmy said, it is thanks to their policies this has happend.

hunter
01-13-2012, 06:41 AM
0-6 for me at Empire Station/Muscles. Don't waste anymore time or money Fig, I attck'd Dudeman this morning just to see his inventory and it showed he had 3!!! He doesn't even know how he got 1

3 Mossbergs ??? is that what you mean ?

Anubis
01-13-2012, 06:45 AM
Thats why he blanked out the photo.

He could of told us this and saved us wasting our gold.

sez
01-13-2012, 06:48 AM
3 Mossbergs ??? is that what you mean ?

Fight screen showed x3

BigCheese
01-13-2012, 06:55 AM
ok i saw some1 with 2 double decker 18/14 and 2 mossberg. i think CC might had release more beast weapon

sez
01-13-2012, 07:00 AM
You gonna contact funzio Sez? I've give up but want my 40gold back. Like Jimmy said, it is thanks to their policies this has happend.

I sent Mark a PM and asked for the Help Desk phone number, funny that I can't seem to find it...

Fig Oni
01-13-2012, 07:12 AM
0-6 for me at Empire Station/Muscles. Don't waste anymore time or money Fig, I attck'd Dudeman this morning just to see his inventory and it showed he had 3!!! He doesn't even know how he got 1

Sorry to put you lot on this wild goose chase but dudeman please let us on the secret how can you gain another 2 mossbergs in a space of 12 hours and have no idea how you got them help the forum out we will promise never to attack you or your hood

Cooz
01-13-2012, 07:18 AM
I emailed Support asking to confirm whether it was a lootable item. No response.

Anyone else using the iPad HD version of this game? That's what Dudeman has, and considering we're all 0-for-whatever, I think that's the variable.

It could be in the testing phase, and it will be released to those areas, but right now, they're working out some bugs on the iPad HD version of the game - specifically, the fact it doesn't show up on screen when the user actually gets it, but it does go in their inventory.

We need to find out who else has this weapon, what version they're using and if they've looted any of the aforementioned areas.

p.s. 0-for-3 on Broadway

camdenistheman
01-13-2012, 07:23 AM
has anyone attacted sal massino in pier 13? thats the screen shot dudeman showed. he had one and showed he was attacking sal then had 2 more maybe sal is the only drop point?"

Fig Oni
01-13-2012, 07:29 AM
I emailed Support asking to confirm whether it was a lootable item. No response.

Anyone else using the iPad HD version of this game? That's what Dudeman has, and considering we're all 0-for-whatever, I think that's the variable.

It could be in the testing phase, and it will be released to those areas, but right now, they're working out some bugs on the iPad HD version of the game - specifically, the fact it doesn't show up on screen when the user actually gets it, but it does go in their inventory.

We need to find out who else has this weapon, what version they're using and if they've looted any of the aforementioned areas.

p.s. 0-for-3 on Broadway

Agreed all people should stop trying to get them at the certain locations that have been mentioned as it just cods wollop at the moment but the guy who want the million ingame cash has an iphone so there conflicting view regarding it only a HD thing. I think people just have to be patient and wait alsi I'm going to email funzio and ask them to disclose the defense building equation and why some player are able to get loot where as other are discriminated if they don't I'll use the freedom of information act on them

Anubis
01-13-2012, 07:50 AM
has anyone attacted sal massino in pier 13? thats the screen shot dudeman showed. he had one and showed he was attacking sal then had 2 more maybe sal is the only drop point?"

I went 0-3 pm him, spent 40gold on refils and leveled up duringthe process.

Everything is on Dudeman now, we all been running in circles and he has 3 of them so he obviously knows how and where to get them.

Cooz
01-13-2012, 08:16 AM
I went 0-3 pm him, spent 40gold on refils and leveled up duringthe process.

Everything is on Dudeman now, we all been running in circles and he has 3 of them so he obviously knows how and where to get them.

Isn't it fully possible this just simply is only available to certain users for whatever reason? They could just be testing it out with a randomly chosen percentage of players.

There are lots of active players currently discussing this topic. We have empirical evidence that points to the locations of these items. Only one of us has any of them.

I think the likely scenario is Dudeman is the only one of this particular group who has this weapon active. Remember the Free Gold thread, and how only certain people could/can get that?

So now we've got precedent existing for only certain people getting access, the motive could be a test run on a full incorporation of this into the game.

I'm going to see Boardwalk through until I reach 8 tries so I can be over 99 percent certain, but I'm already over 99 percent sure I'm wasting my time. I think it's Pier 13 and Sal, and I think only certain people can get it.

Anubis
01-13-2012, 08:32 AM
I think the likely scenario is Dudeman is the only one of this particular group who has this weapon active. Remember the Free Gold thread, and how only certain people could/can get that?

Maybe, but dudeman could of put an end to this thread hours ago without some of us wasting gold on it. He said he 'noticed' one in his inventory (noticed) and now has 3. Just saying would be nice for him to provide us with an explanation.

Edit: If the aim is to keep it secret, let the forum members share it between themselves via PM. Forum members only kind of thing.

Fig Oni
01-13-2012, 08:57 AM
Isn't it fully possible this just simply is only available to certain users for whatever reason? They could just be testing it out with a randomly chosen percentage of players.

I think the likely scenario is Dudeman is the only one of this particular group who has this weapon active. Remember the Free Gold thread, and how only certain people could/can get that?


Don't understand why should funzio only give it random people or certain people in geographical areas a huge advantage and leave other user hanging high and dry. For example Anubis has old version like myself of explosives now someone with the 3x better explosive update with a slight weaker attack can safely attack him without losing his explosives also why give some people the opportunity to earn gold but he then is freely allowed to attack people who don't have the same offer so now that another unfair advantage so if funzio are doing that intentionally all I have to say is Thanks and a round of applause

Cooz
01-13-2012, 09:02 AM
Don't understand why should funzio only give it random people or certain people in geographical areas a huge advantage and leave other user hanging high and dry. For example Anubis has old version like myself of explosives now someone with the 3x better explosive update with a slight weaker attack can safely attack him without losing his explosives also why give some people the opportunity to earn gold but he then is freely allowed to attack people who don't have the same offer so now that another unfair advantage so if funzio are doing that intentionally all I have to say is Thanks and a round of applause

I can't explain the explosives part, but it's certainly not strange that a development group would roll something out to a small percentage of users in real time initially to test it and work out the bugs.

That would be my same stance for the explosives, but all of that happened a while ago. Maybe there's an update looming, and all will be rectified with that.

I'm assuming you guys are using iPhones, did you get the latest iPhone update?

hunter
01-13-2012, 09:09 AM
Guys, I have no luck at Pier 13 after several attempts, I will re-check Boardwalk , Financial District , Broadway tomorrow, no more energy.

Duke.0
01-13-2012, 09:12 AM
I can't explain the explosives part, but it's certainly not strange that a development group would roll something out to a small percentage of users in real time initially to test it and work out the bugs.

That would be my same stance for the explosives, but all of that happened a while ago. Maybe there's an update looming, and all will be rectified with that.

I'm assuming you guys are using iPhones, did you get the latest iPhone update?

I play on my ipod and i'm pretty sure its up to date.

Fig Oni
01-13-2012, 09:17 AM
I can't explain the explosives part, but it's certainly not strange that a development group would roll something out to a small percentage of users in real time initially to test it and work out the bugs.

That would be my same stance for the explosives, but all of that happened a while ago. Maybe there's an update looming, and all will be rectified with that.

I'm assuming you guys are using iPhones, did you get the latest iPhone update?

always keep everything updated but the silly thing funzio are doing is not employing tester to check for bugs as they sell more then enough sales of gold to use financial constraint as an excuse plus they never update the site to tell us of any progress in the news / announcement section so why have the forum simple to read our post and laugh at us for searching and buying gold for pursuits that are fruitless without having the common courtesy to help people like sez and anubis who specifically brought gold to complete without making any comment of that it avalible for only certain people (EVIL)

Fig Oni
01-13-2012, 09:20 AM
Guys, I have no luck at Pier 13 after several attempts, I will re-check Boardwalk , Financial District , Broadway tomorrow, no more energy.

Stop don't do it again till there an update or confirmation it's only avalable for limited people or there is a certain order it done in that unlocks them

hunter
01-13-2012, 09:23 AM
The Mossbergs loot places require too much energy,
Financial District - Hotel : 2190 energy
Broadway - Symphony Hall : 1860 energy
Boardwalk - Carousel : 2240 energy
Pier 13 - Sal Massino : 2368 energy
Empire Central Station - Muscles Mulroney : 1656 energy

That means 1 one day you could try 2-3 times. (without gold)
1 thing surprise me is it seems the Mossberg drop rate is pretty high to dudeman, he got 2 in less than a day.

I and other people should get that items only in 1 or 2 tries, right ? But we didn't. That makes me think we loot wrong places, or we actually can't loot Mossberg with iPhone version.

dudeman
01-13-2012, 09:24 AM
1. Did the people who spent gold on energy not do so before I noticed the item in my inventory? I don't see how I could have done anything to prevent that.
2. Upon completion of the 8th hit to finish the job on Sal Massino, all I got was roughly $30k. No loot.
3. I find it strange how after finishing with that job I went right to bed, and apparently while I was sleeping I got more of these things before sez attacked me. (@sez, how many hits on a rival does it take to be able to see their inventory? :p)
4. I am now seeing other players with at least one M590 Shotgun too. I never saw anyone with one before yesterday, but now I hear about people with them, I have more than one, and I've seen it in a rival's inventory/fight screen. Whoever "JayMar" is, she has it and I don't know how she got it. I asked but have yet to receive a reply.

Anubis
01-13-2012, 09:31 AM
1. Did the people who spent gold on energy not do so before I noticed the item in my inventory? I don't see how I could have done anything to prevent that.
2. Upon completion of the 8th hit to finish the job on Sal Massino, all I got was roughly $30k. No loot.
3. I find it strange how after finishing with that job I went right to bed, and apparently while I was sleeping I got more of these things before sez attacked me. (@sez, how many hits on a rival does it take to be able to see their inventory? )
4. I am now seeing other players with at least one M590 Shotgun too. I never saw anyone with one before yesterday, but now I hear about people with them, I have more than one, and I've seen it in a rival's inventory/fight screen. Whoever "JayMar" is, she has it and I don't know how she got it. I asked but have yet to receive a reply.

You have to understand that is difficult to accept based on things. I will however give you benefit of the doub and ask you some questions if you donm't mind. The reason being is you and the other person both seem to have 3 only.

1) what are your current in-game goals.
2) how much gold have you spent on the game (in bars, not money)
3)Have you have the explosive update, and theability to 'urn gold w/ospending RL money)
4) How many maps have you completed up to lvl 5
5) How many maps have you completed period
6) How many fights have you won
7) how many robberies have you won
8) how many expansions have you done.

hunter
01-13-2012, 09:32 AM
@dudeman: just curious, for map mission, which areas you have not completed ?

Anubis
01-13-2012, 09:37 AM
If what dudeman is saying is honest, and CCmark could have made a simple 'informative - or a clue' input last night then I really have lost all faith in this company.

Edit, first the agencies are a scam but no dev will admit it, now ppl have wasted gold refilling energy when in all likelyhood it could of been prevented. Anything for a gold bar I guess.

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01-13-2012, 09:43 AM
And I though we got rid of madhatter ^^

Fig Oni
01-13-2012, 09:52 AM
One thing I believe dudeman because before he had zero he said I didn't know there was a HD update before he updated his ipad then for no explanation he received one then overnight he received another two that must mean that the three mossy he received were old map areas where he received no reward but as it was completed he got them in the update the reason i can say that is because if you was to start a new game and buy a junker you won't receive a camero and now also the goal won't come to buy a junker in your goal list but as soon as you lvl up so the camero is unlocked to buy you will have one in your inventory so I'm saying thanks to dudeman I believe you are legit in your finding

blondealex
01-13-2012, 09:53 AM
For what it's worth, I'm going to focus on Pier 13 until we get some news. I'm only 2/8 so will be quite a while, but thought I would chip in.

Cooz
01-13-2012, 10:00 AM
always keep everything updated but the silly thing funzio are doing is not employing tester to check for bugs as they sell more then enough sales of gold to use financial constraint as an excuse plus they never update the site to tell us of any progress in the news / announcement section so why have the forum simple to read our post and laugh at us for searching and buying gold for pursuits that are fruitless without having the common courtesy to help people like sez and anubis who specifically brought gold to complete without making any comment of that it avalible for only certain people (EVIL)

I think that's the longest sentence ever written! =)

I'm gonna ramble a bit, and I apologize, but I want to lay all of this out on the table.

The beta release suggestion is just a theory.

I'm just thinking of this logically, I have no background with games or development. Let's just look at what we know:

- We know they created the gun, we know it's listed in game-side data as being available at certain places.
- We know people have it.
- One person seems confident enough in his ability to find it he's asking for in-game cash to reveal the location.
- We know Dudeman said he wasn't aware he had one when he found it.
- We know when Dudeman found it, he said he had attacked Sal Massino at Pier 13 4 times of the 8 required for completion.
- We know Dudeman now has three of them (confirmed by Sez)
- We know Dudeman is on the iPad HD version
- We know the other confirmed Mossberg owner was not
- We know Dudeman is still saying he doesn't know where he got it.
- We know the developers are quick to notify us they have a policy against sharing in-game information, but don't seem to have a problem with allowing spam posts to linger on an active thread.

I read over the whole forum again in collecting this information. I really don't think there's any rhyme or reason to collecting this weapon. Dudeman hadn't even finished one completion of Sal Massino and he had three of them. Unless it's just a pvp drop, I think there's a bug somewhere.

dudeman
01-13-2012, 10:00 AM
You have to understand that is difficult to accept based on things. I will however give you benefit of the doub and ask you some questions if you donm't mind. The reason being is you and the other person both seem to have 3 only.

1) what are your current in-game goals.
2) how much gold have you spent on the game (in bars, not money)
3)Have you have the explosive update, and theability to 'urn gold w/ospending RL money)
4) How many maps have you completed up to lvl 5
5) How many maps have you completed period
6) How many fights have you won
7) how many robberies have you won
8) how many expansions have you done.

1- Do every job in Circuit Street, Hitman, Machine Gun Malfunction, Heavy Thunder, More Traffic Safety, Defend your turf.
2- RL$: 0. Gold bars: 18 (The initial 10, and I got 10 comp'd for what I can only describe as technical difficulties on the Funzio end. I spent 8 of that on a second Ice Cream Shop.)
3- Old explosive prices/no update. Yes I can earn free gold, I have earned 11 bars so far. Accumulating a decent amount of gold this way will take a long time as the offers are not updated daily as I expected them to be. Oh well.
4- The first 11 maps.
5- I have completed at least level one on 19 maps, including the 11 from Q4, up to Circuit Street.
6- 7103
7- 8212
8- I have about 49:30 remaining on the $750k expansion. I haven't been tallying the expansions as I progress so I can't give you a precise number as to exactly how many expansions that is.


I think there's a bug somewhere.

That's what I think too.

Cooz
01-13-2012, 10:08 AM
Yes I can earn free gold

Ok, I think that solves it right there. Dudeman is one of the few who could get free gold. He's also one of the confirmed few who have at least one Mossberg.

For lack of a better phrase, he's some kind of guinea pig. Lucky for him, not so lucky for us. I'm officially done on Broadway, I was 0-for-3.

I don't care enough to explore reasons as to why they're doing this, or speculate on if/when it will be released to all, but we do know the Free Gold thing is still active for a limited population, and has been for a week or so now. To me that suggests we won't be seeing the Mossberg for at least that amount of time, and counting.

dudeman
01-13-2012, 10:15 AM
I shouldn't be a guinea pig...

I received an email from a dev several weeks ago now, asking if I wanted to join the secret beta testing team (test flight).

Now, sometimes I start to think I know how to play this game, and every time I start to think that, something changes. That's why I never responded to that email, and therefore never joined test flight. I find the game changes often enough as it is, I don't really need to be on the select list of players who have random things changing literally all the time/at random, as Funzio tests out new ideas. Yeah, that might be neat, and it does sound interesting, but it's not what I want right now.

Cooz
01-13-2012, 10:19 AM
I received an email from a dev several weeks ago now, asking if I wanted to join the secret beta testing team (test flight).

LOL Why didn't you say that before?!?!?!?!?!

KILLIN' me, Dudeman! jk man, enjoy your Mossbergs and free gold. p.s. If you have any pull with Funzio, I'd be fine with getting free stuff, so send them my name! =)


That's why I never responded to that email, and therefore never joined test flight.

I'm gonna go out on a limb and suggest your theory of never having joined the test flight is incorrect...looks like you were drafted, man!

Fig Oni
01-13-2012, 10:19 AM
I shouldn't be a guinea pig...

I received an email from a dev several weeks ago now, asking if I wanted to join the secret beta testing team (test flight).

Now, sometimes I start to think I know how to play this game, and every time I start to think that, something changes. That's why I never responded to that email, and therefore never joined test flight. I find the game changes often enough as it is, I don't really need to be on the select list of players who have random things changing literally all the time/at random, as Funzio tests out new ideas. Yeah, that might be neat, and it does sound interesting, but it's not what I want right now.

WOW what other secrets you have

Max Power
01-13-2012, 10:20 AM
Lotsa people got that testflight email.

I signed up and haven't had any beta tests yet.

Ohaithere
01-13-2012, 10:21 AM
I can earn free gold and did not get that email, I been playing less than 2 weeks and using iPad version, dono if that helps, I don't have the gun but not done the areas people say it comes from

Cooz
01-13-2012, 10:24 AM
Lotsa people got that testflight email.

I signed up and haven't had any beta tests yet.

The email was obviously a trap. If you responded "Yes, I would like to be a part of the test," that really meant "You won't be a part of the test."

If you ignored it, they assumed "I'm 100 percent in favor of this! Sign me up!"

allhaildiscordia
01-13-2012, 10:27 AM
Test Flight is a service that allows iPhone developers to easily manage the provisioning and distribution of what are called "ad hoc" signed apps. These are apps published directly by the developer that don't go through the App Store, so for beta testing.

Max Power
01-13-2012, 10:30 AM
The email was obviously a trap. If you responded "Yes, I would like to be a part of the test," that really meant "You won't be a part of the test."

If you ignored it, they assumed "I'm 100 percent in favor of this! Sign me up!"

A plausible, if not probable, scenario.

dudeman
01-13-2012, 10:32 AM
Test Flight is a service that allows iPhone developers to easily manage the provisioning and distribution of what are called "ad hoc" signed apps. These are apps published directly by the developer that don't go through the App Store, so for beta testing.

So even people who signed up for test flight shouldn't be CC guinea pigs. Am I reading/understanding correctly?

JimmyShines
01-13-2012, 10:35 AM
No, it's not TestFlight, lots of players are part of the beta testing.

Since the drop information is the same for everyone, and the client application is the one to execute that drop information (when your client goes to a new area, all the area's information is brought down to the client, each time). The only difference would be all the different client versions that are available to the iOS platform. So it's either a small rollout to a certain number of players (like the exp prices and free gold), or it is down to a specific client version only able to execute the proper drop (or both).

I'm sure we will find out soon enough what it is as more players start to get the gun.

Cooz
01-13-2012, 10:36 AM
So even people who signed up for test flight shouldn't be CC guinea pigs. Am I reading/understanding correctly?

Seems like it's the other way around. Either way, it's obvious these are just test programs, and you're one of the people chosen for it. I'm sure you can contact the developer to opt out of it.

I've wasted an embarrassingly large amount of time on this.

Anubis
01-13-2012, 10:36 AM
1- Do every job in Circuit Street, Hitman, Machine Gun Malfunction, Heavy Thunder, More Traffic Safety, Defend your turf.
2- RL$: 0. Gold bars: 18 (The initial 10, and I got 10 comp'd for what I can only describe as technical difficulties on the Funzio end. I spent 8 of that on a second Ice Cream Shop.)
3- Old explosive prices/no update. Yes I can earn free gold, I have earned 11 bars so far. Accumulating a decent amount of gold this way will take a long time as the offers are not updated daily as I expected them to be. Oh well.
4- The first 11 maps.
5- I have completed at least level one on 19 maps, including the 11 from Q4, up to Circuit Street.
6- 7103
7- 8212
8- I have about 49:30 remaining on the $750k expansion. I haven't been tallying the expansions as I progress so I can't give you a precise number as to exactly how many expansions that is.

Thank you for answering those questions. I have done slightly more than each of your answers. Just wanted to check it wasn't goal or map related - so thankyou for answering those questrions and canceling out all those possibilities in one go :)

Dorian Gray
01-13-2012, 10:37 AM
Symphony Hall

0 - 2 trials

Anubis
01-13-2012, 10:42 AM
Yet again, CCMark and any other admins have some explaining to do, if dudeman received these 3 guns - why havn't the rest of us who are a higher level and have completed more goals, more map misisons, more PVP and robberies, bought gold etc etc.

Itsobvious the gun isn't dropping from those locations. the two with near 50% drop rate have been tested out by a good few of us with the result being nothing.

Cooz - If dudeman is being truthful (and I believe he is) then the guy asking for 1M$ probably doesn't know where he got those guns from either. I really hate this kind of thing :mad:

Anubis
01-13-2012, 10:47 AM
One more question Dudeman - do you play modernwarfare?

Cooz
01-13-2012, 10:50 AM
Cooz - If dudeman is being truthful (and I believe he is) then the guy asking for 1M$ probably doesn't know where he got those guns from either. I really hate this kind of thing

I didn't really pay his request any consideration because he's obviously too stupid to realize you can't just transfer in-game cash.

Ohaithere
01-13-2012, 10:59 AM
Maybe he meant 1,000,000 usd?

dudeman
01-13-2012, 11:00 AM
One more question Dudeman - do you play modernwarfare?

I got the rifle for reaching level 3, and that's as far as I went. The free rifle was the only reason I installed that game.

Anubis
01-13-2012, 11:04 AM
U able to PM your friendcode dudeman :)

sez
01-13-2012, 11:26 AM
1. Did the people who spent gold on energy not do so before I noticed the item in my inventory? I don't see how I could have done anything to prevent that.
2. Upon completion of the 8th hit to finish the job on Sal Massino, all I got was roughly $30k. No loot.
3. I find it strange how after finishing with that job I went right to bed, and apparently while I was sleeping I got more of these things before sez attacked me. (@sez, how many hits on a rival does it take to be able to see their inventory? :p)
4. I am now seeing other players with at least one M590 Shotgun too. I never saw anyone with one before yesterday, but now I hear about people with them, I have more than one, and I've seen it in a rival's inventory/fight screen. Whoever "JayMar" is, she has it and I don't know how she got it. I asked but have yet to receive a reply.

Dudeman, I attacked you 4 times, it wasnt personal. I didnt take any money from you and we both won twice. Not sure if you're upset about that. I will glady add you in-game if you want. 531 890 519

dudeman
01-13-2012, 11:34 AM
Dudeman, I attacked you 4 times, it wasnt personal. I didnt take any money from you and we both won twice. Not sure if you're upset about that. I will glady add you in-game if you want. 531 890 519

No, no, it's all good. I was just kidding around. lol

sez
01-13-2012, 11:52 AM
LMFAO!!!!!

I am in a fellow forum members profile, in loot list and they have 5, COUNT THEM 5 Mossberg's!!!!!!!!!!

How do you screen shot on an iphone 4? no i wont post who it is.

hunter
01-13-2012, 11:56 AM
should re-check 3 first areas.

camdenistheman
01-13-2012, 12:05 PM
LMFAO!!!!!

I am in a fellow forum members profile, in loot list and they have 5, COUNT THEM 5 Mossberg's!!!!!!!!!!

How do you screen shot on an iphone 4? no i wont post who it is.


Will you harass him to find out how we can get them lol

Holicaholic
01-13-2012, 12:08 PM
Press the lock screen button and the home button at the same time for a screencap.

Duke.0
01-13-2012, 12:09 PM
LMFAO!!!!!

I am in a fellow forum members profile, in loot list and they have 5, COUNT THEM 5 Mossberg's!!!!!!!!!!

How do you screen shot on an iphone 4? no i wont post who it is.

Press the "circle enter" button and the "rectangle on/off" button at the same time, the screen flashes and it takes a Screen Shot.

sez
01-13-2012, 12:10 PM
got it, let me crop it and post it, kinda crazy lol. 5 of em

sez
01-13-2012, 12:16 PM
here is the pic, the Mossberg 5950 x 5

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b321/adamsez24/mossberg.png

Babytway
01-13-2012, 12:26 PM
i bet madhatter has 100 by now

sez
01-13-2012, 12:55 PM
Now they have 6

Duke.0
01-13-2012, 12:56 PM
oh my. Where are they coming from!

@Anubis:
When you were talking in this thread about how Funzio has different drops / items for different people, here is an example...You know how a lot of higher level people who have 500+ mafia don't have the Giant yet? I am level 93 with 600 mafia and i never got a Giant. I e-mailed funzo about it and their reply was something along the lines of "its a reward for doing a goal called Mobster Army and the reason i don't have a Giant yet is because i did not complete the goal, or i didn't do enough goals to activate it and i should keep playing."

Yet CC Mark said a level 2 person can unlock the Giant and get the goal.... What gives with this?

I agree, different people have different goals / item drops and different things based on _____?______. Maybe location in the world, testing data, who knows.

Tramp Stamp
01-13-2012, 01:06 PM
Financial District - Hotel: 0 successes out of 0 trials (out of 44 total trials)
Broadway - Symphony Hall: 0 successes out of 5 trials (out of 34 total trials)
Boardwalk - Carousel: 0 successes out of 2 trials (out of 27 total trials)
Pier 13 - Sal Massino: 0 successes out of 4 trials (out of 15 total trials)
Empire Central Station - Muscles Mulroney: 0 successes out of 13 trials (out of 14 total trials)

Breakdown

Broadway - Symphony Hall
Cooz: 0 out of 3
Dorian Gray: 0 out of 2

Boardwalk - Carousel
Duke: 0 out of 1
schnuffler: 0 out of 1

Pier 13 - Sal Massino
Anubis: 0 out of 3
dudeman: 0 out of 1

Empire Central Station - Muscles Mulroney
G Wiz: 0 out of 2
mongorie: 0 out of 3
Ram: 0 out of 2
sez: 0 out of 6

Tramp Stamp
01-13-2012, 01:14 PM
It's not going to affect anything, but I messed up slightly on my Empire Central Station calculation. Apparently I set the standard to 99% probability there and went with 99.99% everywhere else. This is still well within statistical rigor, which generally targets 95% confidence, though those studies acquire far more samples than we are. The end result is that I need to change the number of trials from 8 to 14, but the odds of the Mossberg not dropping by now at this location are 1.579 in 1,000.

Tramp Stamp
01-13-2012, 01:21 PM
Odds of Mossberg not dropping by now per location:

Financial District - Hotel: 100%
Broadway - Symphony Hall: 25.36%
Boardwalk - Carousel: 50.41%
Pier 13 - Sal Massino: 8.50%
Empire Central Station - Muscles Mulroney: 0.02%

For participants who wish to maximize their impact, target the highest percentages (largest unknowns).

Anubis
01-13-2012, 01:33 PM
Broadway - Symphony Hall
Cooz: 0 out of 3
Dorian Gray: 0 out of 2

Boardwalk - Carousel
Duke: 0 out of 1
schnuffler: 0 out of 1

Pier 13 - Sal Massino
Anubis: 0 out of 3
dudeman: 0 out of 1

Empire Central Station - Muscles Mulroney
G Wiz: 0 out of 2
mongorie: 0 out of 3
Ram: 0 out of 2
sez: 0 out of 6

Things are not adding up here.

Something is really not right.

Who is the forum member with 5? I really hope its not hunter/Khung (no offence if its not you),but some forum members obviously know the score on this, and 5 means all faith I had in you dude getting '3' without knowing has gone completelyout thewindow.

Anubis
01-13-2012, 01:35 PM
i bet madhatter has 100 by now

He has 400, I checked hime earlier. He knows the big guns when he sees them.

allhaildiscordia
01-13-2012, 01:43 PM
Your calculations assume that the pseudo random number generator used to determine if the loot drops or not is actually working correctly.

Tramp Stamp
01-13-2012, 02:07 PM
Your calculations assume that the pseudo random number generator used to determine if the loot drops or not is actually working correctly.

More importantly, I'm assuming the drop is available, period. Even if I assume the RNG is broken, there's nothing I can really do about it other than continue to track trial outcomes and suggest people attack the largest unknowns.

JimmyShines
01-13-2012, 02:12 PM
ok Sez, who's the member? or more importantly what do they know?

We need to know, 1) Where they are farming, 2) What device they are using, 3) What version of the client they are using and 4) There level and stats.

Cooz
01-13-2012, 02:16 PM
Doesn't the fact that Dudeman is a tester tell us what we need to know here?

JimmyShines
01-13-2012, 02:18 PM
So am I.... and Max, so does that tell you anything as well....

allhaildiscordia
01-13-2012, 02:23 PM
All the locations are multi-hit locations, and all the popular farming locations for M4 etc are single hit. So maybe the drop rates on multi-hit non-boss locations are broken.

Tramp Stamp
01-13-2012, 02:25 PM
All the locations are multi-hit locations, and all the popular farming locations for M4 etc are single hit. So maybe the drop rates on multi-hit non-boss locations are broken.

I didn't do too much testing, but I tried multi-hit locations before M4s were available and didn't get a single drop out of them.

But...the fact remains that somebody is apparently farming these.

Cooz
01-13-2012, 02:30 PM
So am I.... and Max, so does that tell you anything as well....

Seems more likely they didn't bring everyone into this test than the drop actually exists...cuz, you know, Dudeman didn't even complete one of these and he has five of them.

JimmyShines
01-13-2012, 02:31 PM
Seems more likely they didn't bring everyone into this test than the drop actually exists...cuz, you know, Dudeman didn't even complete one of these and he has five of them.

5?? He went from 1, to 3 then 5... wth

dudeman
01-13-2012, 02:31 PM
Doesn't the fact that Dudeman is a tester tell us what we need to know here?

I would actually like to know for myself whether this is true or not. Considering recent events, I can certainly understand why someone might think that, but afaik I am playing the same game as everyone else. I never explicitly agreed to partake in any testing.

I hope the anti-disclosure policy doesn't also mean not informing players if their account is being used to conduct experiments. If that's what is happening then maybe I am a tester without knowing? I don't know... And I think policy will probably stop me from finding out.

allhaildiscordia
01-13-2012, 02:32 PM
These are the lowest multi-hit locations:
The Waterfront Sushi Restaurant 2x35 $110-140 0.12 (1.71) Motorcycle Jacket (armor) 2/2
Little Italy Meat Factory 2x54 $160-360 0.15 (1.39) Beretta 92 (gun) 2/1
Little Italy Little Italy Barber Shop 2x36 $90-190 0.09 (1.25) Micro SMG (gun) 1/3

Someone want to try these to see if they get any drops? This is in support of my hypothesis that multi-hit non-boss drops are not working as intended.

Fig Oni
01-13-2012, 02:33 PM
Seems more likely they didn't bring everyone into this test than the drop actually exists...cuz, you know, Dudeman didn't even complete one of these and he has five of them.

Last time I heard he had 3 are you sure 5

Fig Oni
01-13-2012, 02:39 PM
So am I.... and Max, so does that tell you anything as well....

What the benefit of you being a tester?????

Cooz
01-13-2012, 02:40 PM
5?? He went from 1, to 3 then 5... wth

Wait, maybe it was three. My point is, he didn't complete any of these missions and he has at least one of them.

JimmyShines
01-13-2012, 02:41 PM
no beta builds yet, we will see if there is a benefit or not.

Cooz
01-13-2012, 02:41 PM
These are the lowest multi-hit locations:
The Waterfront Sushi Restaurant 2x35 $110-140 0.12 (1.71) Motorcycle Jacket (armor) 2/2
Little Italy Meat Factory 2x54 $160-360 0.15 (1.39) Beretta 92 (gun) 2/1
Little Italy Little Italy Barber Shop 2x36 $90-190 0.09 (1.25) Micro SMG (gun) 1/3

Someone want to try these to see if they get any drops? This is in support of my hypothesis that multi-hit non-boss drops are not working as intended.

Yeah, I'll do the Waterfront Sushi restaurant.

dudeman
01-13-2012, 02:45 PM
Wait, maybe it was three. My point is, he didn't complete any of these missions and he has at least one of them.

Not sure if I said this already, but I DID finish the 8 hits on Sal Massino to complete the mission. The only thing that dropped was a wad of cash.

Tren
01-13-2012, 02:48 PM
Allhail:

Little Italy Barber Shop - 0/13
no mas energy

sez
01-13-2012, 02:48 PM
It is what it is and I'm glad someone cool who is a forum member has them, in no way do you have to disclose anything but having 6 of them and then saying "what? It's crazy, how did this happen? " is kinda silly.

Cooz
01-13-2012, 02:48 PM
These are the lowest multi-hit locations:
The Waterfront Sushi Restaurant 2x35 $110-140 0.12 (1.71) Motorcycle Jacket (armor) 2/2

I completed seven, received zero motorcycle jackets. I even checked my inventory before I started doing them to make sure they weren't just added without me seeing them.

If it worked properly, out of seven tries, what chance did I have of getting one?

Cooz
01-13-2012, 02:49 PM
Not sure if I said this already, but I DID finish the 8 hits on Sal Massino to complete the mission. The only thing that dropped was a wad of cash.

At the time you first reported having one, you had only done four of the eight hits needed for one try.

You've since completed it, but you had it before you completed it.

Tramp Stamp
01-13-2012, 02:53 PM
If it worked properly, out of seven tries, what chance did I have of getting one?

59.13% chance of receiving at least one. For Tren, 70.65%.

Cooz
01-13-2012, 02:54 PM
It is what it is and I'm glad someone cool who is a forum member has them, in no way do you have to disclose anything but having 6 of them and then saying "what? It's crazy, how did this happen? " is kinda silly.

What aspect of this game gives you the confidence to believe something like this couldn't happen? Don't take that as me calling you out or anything, I'm being serious. Everything seems wacky in some way because we have no idea how things work.

I agree, it's weird, but they do things without any kind of announcement all the time. Keep in mind, we didn't even get the information of where the item may be directly from Funzio; we dug through the game data.

I think if Dudeman was intentionally hiding how he got it, he'd either be far more involved on the forum, holding it over our heads, or he wouldn't be on here at all.

Fig Oni
01-13-2012, 02:54 PM
Best way to find out if dudeman has a clue on the location is to see if in the next 24-48 hour his mossberg in the inventory changes as they are 50/50 att/def they are to good to leave so we can determine that in 24 hour he can obtain 3 average of 1 every 8 hours therefore in 150 days potential of getting 450 mossy's I've been keeping an eye on eddy and he still on 3 but he done 10 mission and his m4's are the same too so this drip feeding of weapons by funzio needs to stop as you are giving users probable cause to stop spending cash or of worst still boycotting your product nice to see funzio showing it true colors (colours if your brit) so is it fair to call them CONzio

Cooz
01-13-2012, 02:55 PM
59.13% chance of receiving at least one. For Tren, 70.65%.

Alright, when my energy fills up a bit more I'll hit it a few more times.

Kind of sucks, I hate sushi.

sez
01-13-2012, 03:01 PM
What aspect of this game gives you the confidence to believe something like this couldn't happen? Don't take that as me calling you out or anything, I'm being serious. Everything seems wacky in some way because we have no idea how things work.

I agree, it's weird, but they do things without any kind of announcement all the time. Keep in mind, we didn't even get the information of where the item may be directly from Funzio; we dug through the game data.

I think if Dudeman was intentionally hiding how he got it, he'd either be far more involved on the forum, holding it over our heads, or he wouldn't be on here at all.

Because of the 50 atck and 50 def, funzio is just gonna allow players to have this beast weapon without paying for it in gold? I'd it was a Aug or some other pos I would agree.

He might not be holding it over our heads because he's not a tool whos gonna be like nah nah

Cooz
01-13-2012, 03:05 PM
Because of the 50 atck and 50 def, funzio is just gonna allow players to have this beast weapon without paying for it in gold?

That's apparently what's happening. Dudeman didn't buy it with gold.


He might not be holding it over our heads because he's not a tool whos gonna be like nah nah

I agree, he's not a tool, and that makes me less inclined to believe he's holding out on us. If he knew, he'd be hinting more at the fact he knew. Otherwise, what fun would he have coming on here and acting like he didn't know? I think it'd be more obvious if he knew something.

sez
01-13-2012, 03:13 PM
Cooz, come on buddy. Inventory went from 1 to 3 to 6. I'm not into conspiracies and don't give thought time to assumptions but 6? In my time with this game you have a cause (goal, pvp, farming) and effect ($, loot, brow bag,xp and respect coins.) that's all I'm saying.

Tren
01-13-2012, 03:17 PM
Tramp:

was close to leveling up so went ahead and got refilled
Little Italy barber Shop - 0/13
total - 0/26

whocareswhatmynameis
01-13-2012, 03:18 PM
i've been following this thread peripherally. i must say the frenzy for finding the loot location and the secrecy surrounding the whole affair reminds me of a similar situation we had a few months ago, when only a handful knew the location of M4A1s. it took a couple of days, but the truth came out eventually. i applaud the collective efforts of tramp stamp and colleagues for the hard work you are doing!

allhaildiscordia
01-13-2012, 03:23 PM
So it seems very possible that multi-hit non-boss loot is broken for most of us. If that's true, that's a pretty serious bug.

JimmyShines
01-13-2012, 03:24 PM
Let's see now, so dudeman knows, isn't telling (no big issue), we know all the locations and we now know that the successful client is the latest version for the ipad.... so, all members who have the ipad HD version of the game (which is the latest version of all the iOS device client builds), now is your chance to step up and test out all the locations listed for the best area..

Once this is confirmed by other ipad HD owners, then we can start the Funzio harassment thread to fix the other client.:o

Tramp Stamp
01-13-2012, 03:28 PM
Tramp:

was close to leveling up so went ahead and got refilled
Little Italy barber Shop - 0/13
total - 0/26

Chances of at least one drop: 91.39%

allhaildiscordia
01-13-2012, 03:39 PM
OK, on HD iPad version, I got a Motorcycle Jacket from the Sushi Bar in Waterfront. Several trials on my iPhone version, and nothing.

Tramp Stamp
01-13-2012, 03:43 PM
Sounds like it's time to reset the table and accept input only from iPad HD users. Can existing participants reveal whether they're using the HD version and the version number?

JimmyShines
01-13-2012, 03:44 PM
OK, on HD iPad version, I got a Motorcycle Jacket from the Sushi Bar in Waterfront. Several trials on my iPhone version, and nothing.

Nice, thank you allhaildiscordia.

Dorian Gray
01-13-2012, 03:46 PM
iphone here

Fig Oni
01-13-2012, 04:12 PM
eddy the one who inventory started this tread has a iphone but the issue is how do I give him 1 million to me its less then 1 chaingun @$1.6million with 7/18 att/def and even if it false I can make the money back fast told him he can only rob $30k per hit x 10 making it $300k but he thinks I'm going to double cross him now I regret robbing the guy but he did start it first so now we really need another player other then eddy and dudeman to see what device he has once we get that info we can go to part 2