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madawgg
01-13-2012, 03:18 PM
omg this is a total frenzy lol last time i viewed this thread it was only 5 pages, OMG it exploded 5 times lol. what's going on? you guys do realize it's merely impossible to get 500 of those right? why dont u just focus on some less attractive targets? that's all i do all the time lol

Tramp Stamp
01-13-2012, 03:20 PM
why dont u just focus on some less attractive targets? that's all i do all the time lol

A bar scene veteran, I see!

deuces
01-13-2012, 03:22 PM
Im using the ipad HD version, avoiding xp from energy like the plague currently tho!

Max Power
01-13-2012, 03:23 PM
A bar scene veteran, I see!

Lower your standards, raise your batting average...LOL!

Fig Oni
01-13-2012, 03:24 PM
A bar scene veteran, I see!

lol (I'll nick that line off you )

allhaildiscordia
01-13-2012, 03:29 PM
I got 9 using the HD version. I kid you not. The HD version not only actually drops loot for multi-click jobs, it drops loot per click, not per competition. This is big.
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/12483097/IMG_0040.PNG
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/12483097/IMG_0042.PNG

Tramp Stamp
01-13-2012, 03:30 PM
LOL this game is so messed up.

Fig Oni
01-13-2012, 03:31 PM
I got 9 using the HD version. I kid you not. The HD version not only actually drops loot for multi-click jobs, it drops loot per click, not per competition. This is big.


Im trasfering my game to a ipad anyone with a spare one

allhaildiscordia
01-13-2012, 03:34 PM
And Funzio support just confirmed the bug and that the fix is pending App Store approval in the non-HD version.

Tramp Stamp
01-13-2012, 03:36 PM
And Funzio support just confirmed the bug and that the fix is pending App Store approval in the non-HD version.

Ah nuts, I just created a thread in the Technical forum.

sez
01-13-2012, 03:36 PM
Well there you have it, thanks AllHail

Fig Oni
01-13-2012, 03:38 PM
so is it true if i transfer my game to ipad hd i'll get 1 mossberg per hit if so I'm farming till the bug get fixed

Tramp Stamp
01-13-2012, 03:44 PM
So if I'm understanding this correctly...

Financial District - Hotel: 0.52 Mossbergs per 1,000 energy
Broadway - Symphony Hall: 0.77 Mossbergs per 1,000 energy
Boardwalk - Carousel: 0.91 Mossbergs per 1,000 energy
Pier 13 - Sal Massino: 1.55 Mossbergs per 1,000 energy
Empire Central Station - Muscles Mulroney: 1.78 Mossbergs per 1,000 energy

If so then "this is huge" is the understatement of the year. Each of these options is a better deal than the best M4 A1 location.

Fig Oni
01-13-2012, 03:46 PM
allhaildiscordia

Thanks for ending this thread you won first prize

deuces
01-13-2012, 03:49 PM
lol $20 on gold later, i have 11 of them. leveled up a full level too FML.

allhaildiscordia
01-13-2012, 03:50 PM
I spent 240 gold to refill my energy 12 times to hit the Symphony Hall, and got 9 Mossbergs. So 12*.77=9.24 which is consistent.

Edit: On HD version in case anyone is late to the party.

Babytway
01-13-2012, 03:53 PM
i tried got nothing on hd version

Cooz
01-13-2012, 03:54 PM
I spent 240 gold to refill my energy 12 times to hit the Symphony Hall, and got 9 Mossbergs. So 12*.77=9.24 which is consistent.

LOL I hate you...jk thanks to you and everyone who helped test. I'm just happy to know I was (uselessly) testing the building that ended up being a winner.

You may level up a bunch, but not only are you now going to be one of the most formidable players in the game, you're getting a boatload of cash too.

Euchred
01-13-2012, 03:57 PM
Great job guys I'll be transfering back to my Ipad for the weekend. I just got 4 out 5 M4s at boardwalk too before I read this. Maybe get some free Gold well I'm at it lol. Also have the new explosives I wonder if that will carry over, I guess it has to.

dudeman
01-13-2012, 03:59 PM
Well, the cat's out of the bag. I thought the multiple drops might be a bug so I didn't want to say anything.

Can you blame me?

I have hit Sal 21 times for 7 M590s. 3 hits left on the current job, and then I'm switching to Broadway.

deuces
01-13-2012, 04:03 PM
ok i went wild. think i might punish myself by camping for the next week.

Cooz
01-13-2012, 04:06 PM
And Funzio support just confirmed the bug and that the fix is pending App Store approval in the non-HD version.

What is the bug? The fact it's only dropping for HD users, or the fact it's dropping at all?

In other words, will the bug make the gun go away, or will it open it up to everyone?

This is all anyone's going to be talking about for a while, huh?

Fig Oni
01-13-2012, 04:06 PM
Well, the cat's out of the bag. I thought the multiple drops might be a bug so I didn't want to say anything.

Can you blame me?

I have hit Sal 21 times for 7 M590s. 3 hits left on the current job, and then I'm switching to Broadway.

Best will be never to believe what you say you hung out everyone dry even if you had made any friends on the forum before you probably have none now

allhaildiscordia
01-13-2012, 04:08 PM
On the non-HD version, multi-click non-area boss jobs don't drop loot at all

EDIT: The HD per-click reward behaviour is correct per Funzio support.

Fig Oni
01-13-2012, 04:11 PM
There are 2 bugs:
On the non-HD version, multi-click non-area boss jobs don't drop loot at all
On the HD version, multi-click non-area boss jobs drop loot per click, though it is supposed to be for job completion.

I know your not a dev or anything is this of multi click drop a glitch or will that be implimented in the none-hd version

deuces
01-13-2012, 04:12 PM
Best will be never to believe what you say you hung out everyone dry even if you had made any friends on the forum before you probably have none now

sorta agree with this, since you're so vehemently against spending irl money on gold yourself...yet saw people using their own real money to try to figure something out that you had already figured out on your own.

Dunno that i would have told everyone if i was the one to figure it out, but im also not so strongly against using gold. If people hadnt used gold to try to figure this out, for everyones benefit...then i wouldnt have said a thing. Once i saw that, i think i would have shared my findings with everyone.

Syn
01-13-2012, 04:13 PM
Best will be never to believe what you say you hung out everyone dry even if you had made any friends on the forum before you probably have none now

Not true on my end. dudeman has been getting the shaft "luck" wise with CC for awhile. He deserved it, and I would have done the same thing in his position. Well, I just wouldn't have posted at all. Even if you called me out on it in the forum.


sorta agree with this, since you're so vehemently against spending irl money on gold yourself...yet saw people using their own real money to try to figure something out that you had already figured out on your own.

Dunno that i would have told everyone if i was the one to figure it out, but im also not so strongly against using gold. If people hadnt used gold to try to figure this out, for everyones benefit...then i wouldnt have said a thing. Once i saw that, i think i would have shared my findings with everyone.

He didn't tell these people to spend their money. I didn't spend one bit of energy or money to search for this, because I knew you guys already had it on lock down testing wise. I have done my fair share of testing, sharing, creating templates as well as using the data that others have shared.

dudeman
01-13-2012, 04:13 PM
There are 2 bugs:
On the non-HD version, multi-click non-area boss jobs don't drop loot at all
On the HD version, multi-click non-area boss jobs drop loot per click, though it is supposed to be for job completion.

It isn't per click, or I would have 21 of those guns now.

deuces
01-13-2012, 04:14 PM
Not true on my end. dudeman has been getting the shaft "luck" wise with CC for awhile. He deserved it, and I would have done the same thing in his position. Well, I just wouldn't have posted at all. Even if you called me out on it in the forum.

I can see this as well, he may have been so shocked something was going right for him in this stupid game he didnt know wtf to do.

Dorian Gray
01-13-2012, 04:16 PM
At least I can stop wasting energy testing on my iphone.

It's pretty disappointing that us non-HD players get to fall behind HD players in stats because of this.

Meh, whatever.:cool:

allhaildiscordia
01-13-2012, 04:19 PM
It isn't per click, or I would have 21 of those guns now.

It's still percentage based

Syn
01-13-2012, 04:21 PM
At least I can stop wasting energy testing on my iphone.

It's pretty disappointing that us non-HD players get to fall behind HD players in stats because of this.

Meh, whatever.:cool:

This is the best attitude to have in my opinion. It happened, it sucks, oh well. CC goes on. I'm on the iPhone, and yeah, I feel a bit cheated. But do I think Funzio did this on purpose? No.

Fig Oni
01-13-2012, 04:21 PM
I can see this as well, he may have been so shocked something was going right for him in this stupid game he didnt know wtf to do.

Ok see dudeman you are right to keep it yourself but me I would let the cat out the bag as I only see it as a game but as they say you been shafted by this game I'm glad you shafted funzio back lol

dudeman
01-13-2012, 04:24 PM
Not true on my end. dudeman has been getting the shaft "luck" wise with CC for awhile. He deserved it, and I would have done the same thing in his position. Well, I just wouldn't have posted at all. Even if you called me out on it in the forum.

I was thinking of saying nothing at all. Maybe I should have said nothing.

If you all thought "no one is getting this gun, this is crap, what the f---?!", would there have been such a frantic search, build up of suspense, and true feeling of "holy sh-t!" once the truth came out?

It's a game, have fun with it. I hadn't started playing yet when this apparently happened with M4A1s, and I started getting screwed over at every turn once I did find out about them. But that's neither here nor there.

My point is, that for almost a day, it almost felt like I had a slight advantage for the first time, in contrast to what felt like a handicap.

Since the start of the year my level of enjoyment of this game has gone up quite a bit, it seems that problems are being ironed out more quickly, devs are more on the ball, customer service has improved, Funzio is at least looking at suggestions...

Anyways, I didn't expect the secret about this gun to take so long to be revealed considering the number of regulars here. I feel lucky to have had that short advantage, and now it seems that everything will just continue as normal.

Fig Oni
01-13-2012, 04:24 PM
Last question to M4 farmers carry on farming them or swaping to mossy's after the update none hd users

Dorian Gray
01-13-2012, 04:27 PM
This is the best attitude to have in my opinion. It happened, it sucks, oh well. CC goes on. I'm on the iPhone, and yeah, I feel a bit cheated. But do I think Funzio did this on purpose? No.

One sentiment I try to live by.

Life is 10% what happens to you and 90% how you react to it.

That doesn't mean people aren't allowed to FREAK OUT once in a while. ;) We all have our moments.

dudeman
01-13-2012, 04:32 PM
That doesn't mean people aren't allowed to FREAK OUT once in a while. ;) We all have our moments.

Guilty as charged.

Cooz
01-13-2012, 04:35 PM
Anyways, I didn't expect the secret about this gun to take so long to be revealed considering the number of regulars here. I feel lucky to have had that short advantage, and now it seems that everything will just continue as normal.

You would like to think that, wouldn't you?? We are lighting our torches, getting in our pick-up trucks, driving to your place with the intention of tying you to a light pole and leaving you there overnight.

Just kidding. All's fair in love, war, gambling and video games. For the record, there's no way I would have spent gold on this.

allhaildiscordia
01-13-2012, 04:47 PM
I know your not a dev or anything is this of multi click drop a glitch or will that be implimented in the none-hd version

It will be fixed in the non-HD version. Per-click loot is the correct behaviour in the HD version per Funzio support.

Euchred
01-13-2012, 04:53 PM
Not sure where to put this but if anyone was wondering about the free gold thing and transfers.

On my camper I could get free gold and did to the tune of about 20 gold on my Ipad. I trasfered to an ipod touch no more free gold button. i put my main account on my Ipad and the free gold button is now gone from my HD version.

Babytway
01-13-2012, 04:58 PM
i hope per click is right maybe i can finally get a ricci family ring, tried couple times got the cleaver, but i tried again and got a mosberg from empire station

sez
01-13-2012, 04:59 PM
I love it, after everything it's the people who bought golds fault, everyone always has to 1 up everyone. "at least I didn't buy gold" " I wouldn't have spent gold on this and didn't" everyone gets screwed by CC no matter what platform.

I refill'd energy to help see if it was available, to hopefully have something else to do in this game then sit at the shooting game or get my page spammed by sore losers, had not been this excited about the game since my 1st 2 weeks of playing.

sez
01-13-2012, 05:02 PM
Last post from me, Dudeman you would not have even known the location of the Gun with out other forum members.

Syn
01-13-2012, 05:03 PM
I love it, after everything it's the people who bought golds fault, everyone always has to 1 up everyone. "at least I didn't buy gold" " I wouldn't have spent gold on this and didn't" everyone gets screwed by CC no matter what platform.

I refill'd energy to help see if it was available, to hopefully have something else to do in this game then sit at the shooting game or get my page spammed by sore losers, had not been this excited about the game since my 1st 2 weeks of playing.

You misunderstood me. I have bought gold to do testing for the M4 A1, and it didn't end up in my favor. I didn't fault any one for the use of my gold. I commend you for doing it, and am glad you contributed.


Last post from me, Dudeman you would not have even known the location of the Gun with out other forum members.

Going back to my previous post: I have contributed quite a bit in the past, as I know dudeman has contributed. It's give and take.

allhaildiscordia
01-13-2012, 05:05 PM
i hope per click is right maybe i can finally get a ricci family ring, tried couple times got the cleaver, but i tried again and got a mosberg from empire station

Area bosses (those with multi common/uncommon/rare loot) still only drop when they are complete.

Babytway
01-13-2012, 05:10 PM
*edit* i was thinking of the ricci ring from ella i meant Broadway

sez
01-13-2012, 05:14 PM
You misunderstood me. I have bought gold to do testing for the M4 A1, and it didn't end up in my favor. I didn't fault any one for the use of my gold. I commend you for doing it, and am glad you contributed.



Going back to my previous post: I have contributed quite a bit in the past, as I know dudeman has contributed. It's give and take.

Don't start, Dudeman said he maybe he shouldnt have even said anything, and I don't see where i faulted anyone for me spending gold, I'm not some cheap azz, I buy gold, I like the buildings and the weapons, I buy gold to get more enjoyment out of the game. I have bought 50 gold numerous times for more stam and energy way before this. I didn't send a request to anyone asking for my gold back either, believe me or don't.

Also Syn, that weak azz post about I went to bed and all of sudden I had a mossberg, then I took a crap and had 3 mossbergs, then I helped an old lady across the street and what do ya know had 6 mossbergs.

Give me a break

Give me a break

Fig Oni
01-13-2012, 05:15 PM
I love it, after everything it's the people who bought golds fault, everyone always has to 1 up everyone. "at least I didn't buy gold" " I wouldn't have spent gold on this and didn't" everyone gets screwed by CC no matter what platform.

I refill'd energy to help see if it was available, to hopefully have something else to do in this game then sit at the shooting game or get my page spammed by sore losers, had not been this excited about the game since my 1st 2 weeks of playing.

That it, its not about 1 up on everyone else, I agree but just a point to ponder when no one knew that you dudeman had any mossberg then why did you come online to say it majicaly appear in your loots because you was checking your amoured something but if you didn't want to share the info why come gloat infront of us and go on like your ipad gives you gun just for you going sleep. Also just to set the record straight my intention was alway to share the info I think I'm going to not even farm them mossy now and just sit tight watching you drift away as you lvl up in speed unknown in this game

Syn
01-13-2012, 05:21 PM
Don't start, Dudeman said he maybe he shouldnt have even said anything, and I don't see where i faulted anyone for me spending gold, I'm not some cheap azz, I buy gold, I like the buildings and the weapons, I buy gold to get more enjoyment out of the game. I have bought 50 gold numerous times for more stam and energy way before this. I didn't send a request to anyone asking for my gold back either, believe me or don't.

Also Syn, that weak azz post about I went to bed and all of sudden I had a mossberg, then I took a crap and had 3 mossbergs, then I helped an old lady across the street and what do ya know had 6 mossbergs.

Give me a break

Give me a break

I didn't and don't have the time to read every single post. So he led you with some false information. Was it wrong? Morally/ethically, yes. Business sense, no. I wouldn't of gone the same route as dudeman, as I don't like to create these types of situations. I would of kept my yap shut, plain and simple.

As for the spending gold, I must have misunderstood your post. I apologize.

JimmyShines
01-13-2012, 05:35 PM
Probably the only bug that Funzio will make money on....

Love it, thanks to all the hard work of all the forum members involved, there is a fix in the works for the other clients and we now have a new great weapon to farm, excellent...

Thanks to all, special kudo's to: Fig Oni, Sez and allhaildiscordia. :o

Euchred
01-13-2012, 05:48 PM
Just got my first one off sal I'm going to finish that job then drop 2.7 mil to do the empire central station one. Not going to spend gold on energy though, maybe if fill actually meant fill :p

sez
01-13-2012, 05:52 PM
I didn't and don't have the time to read every single post. So he led you with some false information. Was it wrong? Morally/ethically, yes. Business sense, no. I wouldn't of gone the same route as dudeman, as I don't like to create these types of situations. I would of kept my yap shut, plain and simple.

As for the spending gold, I must have misunderstood your post. I apologize.

Lmao, you guys remember the picture Dudeman posted with his character next to the boss? He even used MS Paint or the Mac Version to write his name in the picture, looked like my 5 year old wrote it? ahhh good times.

allhaildiscordia
01-13-2012, 06:01 PM
Just got my first one off sal I'm going to finish that job then drop 2.7 mil to do the empire central station one. Not going to spend gold on energy though, maybe if fill actually meant fill :p

I note that the iPad version actually says "1000 energy" for 20 gold, not "fill" now.

Cooz
01-13-2012, 06:11 PM
Lmao, you guys remember the picture Dudeman posted with his character next to the boss? He even used MS Paint or the Mac Version to write his name in the picture, looked like my 5 year old wrote it? ahhh good times.

I do and I'm glad I am not the only one who got a good laugh out of it.

dudeman
01-13-2012, 06:11 PM
Even if I had said "Sal has the gun" people would have rushed there and the same thing would have happened.

I had no idea it was iPad HD version only due to a bug.

Turns out I was right in suspecting a bug though.

Am I going to apologize for anything? No. Why should I? For pretty much the first time ever, I had information that was somewhat new and not readily available to everyone. I don't do the "nah nah I got it you don't" approach with anything, but if I had kept quiet one of two things would have happened. 1) The thread could have been nothing but unsuccessful attempts and far more wasting of gold on refills, until allhail broke the news. 2) Someone else would have found the Mossberg somewhere and posted here about it anyways.

Edit: Good to see that the humor in that edited screen cap wasn't missed.

hunter
01-13-2012, 06:14 PM
some people are weak & selfish but it's life.

that happen all the time, people go with you, when have troubles, they leave you, when have benefits, they take & never let you know, it's life.

you know them already, can't blame them but better stay away from them.

Syn
01-13-2012, 06:17 PM
Glad to see this thread has turned into "Who can we point the finger at".

Might as well bring Hatter back, there isn't anything to gain trying to use reason anymore.

dudeman
01-13-2012, 06:22 PM
By the time I am done with this ignore feature I may not have anything left to read on here.

Wow, I had no idea there would be such a negative reaction to the way someone decided to enjoy the game.

That reminds me of another time when someone made a post about disagreeing with playing style, only to be told by a good majority of the forum to quit whining and basically stfu.

If a majority wish that I discontinue my contributions to the forum, then just say so. This is ridiculous.

procsyzarc
01-13-2012, 06:35 PM
How much energy is refilled for 20 gold?

Euchred
01-13-2012, 06:36 PM
How much energy is refilled for 20 gold?

1000 energy is refilled

Max Power
01-13-2012, 06:37 PM
It's a game, have fun with it.

Really? Cuz I remember about a month ago how practically every post from you was from the ledge. Now that things went your way, Hey, it's just a game blah blah blah.....what a load.

Interesting to see the rationalization here. I have learned that about .5% of the people that play this game are on the forums. I would have shared the bug with everybody. Anything less is no different than a hack.

JMO, of course.....

Certes
01-13-2012, 06:39 PM
By the time I am done with this ignore feature I may not have anything left to read on here.

Wow, I had no idea there would be such a negative reaction to the way someone decided to enjoy the game.

That reminds me of another time when someone made a post about disagreeing with playing style, only to be told by a good majority of the forum to quit whining and basically stfu.

If a majority wish that I discontinue my contributions to the forum, then just say so. This is ridiculous.

I agree that it's ridiculous. You are under no obligation to contribute or share anything that you don't want to. If I had been having the same experiences that you have had with CC, then I would have tried to take advantage of the situation as well.

People, the game is Crime City. Not Sim City. Not "Lets all play nice and hold hands". Get over it.

Fig Oni
01-13-2012, 06:40 PM
All I can say is this should be the end of this thread it was fun while it lasted and no one was a loser regardless mossberg or not also like the way some people came and dedicated there time and effort in unlocking the mystery of the mossberg well played all that helped let hope the next mystery weapon location be as fun as finding the mossberg

erik
01-13-2012, 06:44 PM
HD is only available on iPad, correct? Can't wait until this hits.

TemplarX
01-13-2012, 06:50 PM
I have to defend dudeman a little bit. We had very similar experiences so far in the game...we are above about lvl 105, use the HD version, we were both big whiners during Xmas about HL attacks, we get free golds which we bought an ice cream store with, and now the mossberg. So when he went from 1 to 3 to 6 moss, I knew what was going on, and I share his sentiment about savoring the slight advantage. Although not all together truthful, he did create awareness about the weapon, bringing all forummers effort to bear to test the locations, that's the lasting legacy. Look at how many views there are on all the threads, and you realize how many are sleepers and don't contribute at all. These are the free riders.

And I can confirm that the glitch is in non-HD version. My lower level 63 avatar on iPhone non-HD is getting 0 of 9 clicks, utter failure compared to the HD version.

Fig Oni
01-13-2012, 07:03 PM
I have to defend dudeman a little bit. We had very similar experiences so far in the game...we are above about lvl 105, use the HD version, we were both big whiners during Xmas about HL attacks, we get free golds which we bought an ice cream store with, and now the mossberg. So when he went from 1 to 3 to 6 moss, I knew what was going on, and I share his sentiment about savoring the slight advantage. Although not all together truthful, he did create awareness about the weapon, bringing all forummers effort to bear to test the locations, that's the lasting legacy. Look at how many views there are on all the threads, and you realize how many are sleepers and don't contribute at all. These are the free riders.

And I can confirm that the glitch is in non-HD version. My lower level 63 avatar on iPhone non-HD is getting 0 of 9 clicks, utter failure compared to the HD version.

I think the dudeman business gone to far from the truth no one is upset it all fair in love and war also in crime city there is no right or wrong way a person plays just choose your own path so it all fun if I made you feel as if I was questioning your integrity or anyone else in the forum is unfounded it just it a forum where you discus and debate and sometime debate get hot but when the debates over it all back to normal so let not carry on over something that has no reason to divide withou dudeman confirming he had an ipad and also confirming he just updated it this thread would have lasted a bit longer so thank for your help too dudeman

Tramp Stamp
01-13-2012, 07:19 PM
People, the game is Crime City. Not Sim City. Not "Lets all play nice and hold hands". Get over it.

Dunno, I think criminals would feel at home in this thread. At least dad didn't end up in the hospital again.

Duke.0
01-13-2012, 07:37 PM
Well BOOOO on funzio for making multi-click buildings/people give Zero loot for my iPOD, non HD version.
The HD version isn't even available for iPOD.

Dudeman, you did nothing wrong, if i found a kick ass item, i would wait a while to spill the beans to the public forums too.... probably to give my self a bit of a boost, before a crazy frenzy of threads occurs and hundreds of questions arise.

The real person to point the finger at is Funzio for not realizing Non-HD version multi-click buildings/people don't drop items. To me, that's a big OOPS moment there. Frankly, makes me a bit upset that i wasted my good time farming on places that didn't have ANY potential to drop anything other than money.... And here i wasted tens of thousands of energy, and multiple levels farming for items (not just the mossberg) that don't even exist! What a crock!

Dudeman, your alright in my book. Other forum members are kidding themselves if they would immediately tell the public and proclaim they found the holy grail of items too. They would keep it to them selves for a while...I know i would.

Holicaholic
01-13-2012, 07:45 PM
I'm slightly confused. Some people are saying the loot is per click and some people are saying its per completion. Which is it?

And has Funzio said whether it will be per click when they fix it on the iPhone?

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01-13-2012, 07:47 PM
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Tramp Stamp
01-13-2012, 07:47 PM
We thought it was loot per completion but it's actually loot per click. Funzio disclosed to allhaildiscordia that loot per click is intended behavior.

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01-13-2012, 07:47 PM
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01-13-2012, 07:48 PM
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whocareswhatmynameis
01-13-2012, 07:48 PM
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Tramp Stamp
01-13-2012, 07:48 PM
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penisadvantage
01-13-2012, 07:49 PM
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penisadvantage
01-13-2012, 07:50 PM
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hunter
01-13-2012, 07:51 PM
Any know what's next ? Mossberg is lootable for iPhone or iPad users can't loot Mossberg anymore ?

allhaildiscordia
01-13-2012, 07:55 PM
Oh come on, "Penis advantage review" was the perfect ending to this thread.

I think Funzio didn't anticipate the level of farming this board had created. After all you don't get item stats when you pick up loot, so if you've never seen a "Mossberg 590 Shotgun" loot before and only later discover its stats, you'll probably have forgotten where you got it if you're a casual player.

I played CC on G+ briefly and note that the loot is dropped by AREA, not by building/NPC.

Holicaholic
01-13-2012, 07:58 PM
So basically there isn't any point in farming M4s anymore......

hunter
01-13-2012, 08:00 PM
from your (@allhaildiscordia) new thread, I don't know what to say, I've played the game for several months, try my best to be stronger than other players, after one night, I suddenly become weakling. What's next ?

deuces
01-13-2012, 08:04 PM
Oh come on, "Penis advantage review" was the perfect ending to this thread.


LOL agree!

JimmyShines
01-13-2012, 08:06 PM
from your (@allhaildiscordia) new thread, I don't know what to say, I've played the game for several months, try my best to be stronger than other players, after one night, I suddenly become weakling. What's next ?

Your no weakling, you personally provided tons of input into this game, out of everyone here, I have learned more about this game form you than anyone else. I say thank you to you as well.

hunter
01-13-2012, 08:11 PM
Thanks Jimmy, I learned a lot from you as well. Thank you very much.

deuces
01-13-2012, 08:36 PM
For the record, i think funzio making this a farmable item is a terrible idea. It will broaden the gap between forum members and non forum members greatly, and i think cause many more weak players to quit sooner than they otherwise would. This weapon is just too far above and beyond pretty much everything else thats accessible without gold.

G Wiz
01-13-2012, 09:56 PM
For the record, i think funzio making this a farmable item is a terrible idea. It will broaden the gap between forum members and non forum members greatly, and i think cause many more weak players to quit sooner than they otherwise would. This weapon is just too far above and beyond pretty much everything else thats accessible without gold.I dont mind that gap at all. Look at all of the work we put in lol!

It was just great to see "we the people" come together like that. *cheers song plays*

Tramp Stamp
01-13-2012, 10:02 PM
Just look at it as a reward for the free (really, subsidized) QA we just did for Funzio.

downrange
01-13-2012, 10:49 PM
As much as this will improve all our stats over the coming weeks and months (unless there is a change), there's another way to look at this. Some of our previous strategies and previous investment of time and effort have just been neutered.

Thinking back to recent posts of my own -- how foolish of me! I have:
- advocated strongly for the importance of an economy... now what's that good for? some Jets in like a year? explosives churn maybe, but only after I still grind on my economy for a few more months to be able to afford the good ones at volume.
- advocated strongly for NVBs... now who cares about NVB vs Yams at mid-level? Respect is still useful, but it's just got a kick in the teeth. RP used to be a resource second only to gold (with the one caveat/anomaly of the M4A1). Now RP is basically a third tier economic resource beneath gold and farming for all item types. All my grinding LMs and more recently Clothing... that sure looks like a fat waste of time now! Look at the poor RPG. Glad I didn't buy any of those! Chain Whips and Exelero are now the only two RP items with any long term staying power, and anyone searching for RP value that lasts, they basically have those two to pick from.

meh, i won't even finish this list -- it's disappointing. And I'm one of the lucky ones who's got the HD version! I am looking forward to that first Mossberg, but in a bittersweet kind of way. I want to see it before I go to bed tonight, but it feels like it might be a bit of a hollow victory. By discounting the majority of the effort I've put into the game so far... bah, I should just quit writing, right now.

Maybe tomorrow I'll feel different. Maybe I'll pick up the game and only do the parts I think are fun. It's been a while since I've attacked (I mostly rob lately) and I'd been looking forward to attacking more. But then again, as I wrote previously "stat gazing" and decision tree planning are fun too. Those feel like they just got a kick in the teeth. I really hope I enjoy whatever I first do with the game tomorrow.

Bruiser
01-13-2012, 10:53 PM
I have the new Jan 14 update and have yet to farm the Mossberg...I did use gold to refill as well. I am on CCHD. The bug fixes on the new update may have taken them away :/

xclusiv
01-13-2012, 11:14 PM
if the drops were per click then why have i never recieved an item before completion?

procsyzarc
01-14-2012, 12:20 AM
if the drops were per click then why have i never recieved an item before completion?

RNG I done one 6/6 and got one which was on the 2nd click and just money on the 6th.

Are tramps last numbers still accurate? Want to find the best farm spot and want to make sure before spending 2.8m on items that the empire station is the best spot

downrange
01-14-2012, 12:34 AM
RNG I done one 6/6 and got one which was on the 2nd click and just money on the 6th.

Would you mind letting me know if you are using the latest version of the HD client (Jan 14th) or older?
This question goes for anyone who has seen a per click drop like the Mossberg, really.

I'm 0/4 and was thinking about trying my next two clicks with the older version client since I've had no luck so far.

procsyzarc
01-14-2012, 12:36 AM
Would you mind letting me know if you are using the latest version of the HD client (Jan 14th) or older?
This question goes for anyone who has seen a per click drop like the Mossberg, really.

I'm 0/4 and was thinking about trying my next two clicks with the older version client since I've had no luck so far.

Not sure how to check, nothing to download from app store so assume using the latest version

1 from 6 at broadway and 0 from 1 at empire station

xclusiv
01-14-2012, 12:50 AM
i did the symphony hall in broadway and recieved a gun called modified shotgun, it looks the same as the mossberg but has 12/8

wtf?

http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/9049/img0465.png

downrange
01-14-2012, 12:50 AM
Not sure how to check, nothing to download from app store so assume using the latest version

Great. thanks for checking and posting.

That gave me the confidence i needed to click on my next hit at Sal (Boardwalk) and it dropped! woohoo!

1/5 now -- Though with this confirmed i think i might fire away on a post i was drafting earlier. wow, i hope you all don't hate me forever. My conscience won't let me not post this though....
and, I seem to have lost that draft. oh well. the short of it is, this is way too powerful - the math doesn't work and this has got to be a bug, despite what Support apparently told allhaildiscordia. If this is the intent (per click loot drops of this caliber/quality, at these rates, for this little energy), the game will get so imbalanced so fast it's absurd. I understand the need to keep late game players interested, but I thought these loot items made sense at the per-job drop rates. By using these drop rates per click, the game has instantly devalued weeks and months of effort for most players (not just us forum players, but everyone). I can't see how this isn't a mistake, really. The sooner they fix it, the better for all of us. Or, welcome to the new game, everyone! It resembles the old CC, but the stats scale so differently you'll hardly remember the old game in a few weeks.

G Wiz
01-14-2012, 01:40 AM
i did the symphony hall in broadway and recieved a gun called modified shotgun, it looks the same as the mossberg but has 12/8

wtf?

http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/9049/img0465.pngwow uhm...that is very weird indeed. What is happening here lol? Maybe the mossberg was being replaced with this. Could be a glitch as to why some received mossbergs instead?

To the mystery machine gang!!!

xclusiv
01-14-2012, 01:44 AM
all instances of the mossberg shotgun have been replaced with modified shotgun

deuces
01-14-2012, 02:03 AM
yep you're right. I got one from sal about an hour ago, but my total didnt go up. I thought something had gone wrong so i emailed funzio...saying i hadnt picked up the loot item. Just looked tho and i have one of the modified shotguns now. oh well.

procsyzarc
01-14-2012, 02:08 AM
all instances of the mossberg shotgun have been replaced with modified shotgun

Have they replaced it already for new drops? I still have my one and it is still the same with the 50/50 stats.

If it is a mistake hope they fix it fast will be pissed if spend weeks farming these instead of ma41's just for them to get nerfed to the point they are useless and would have been better sticking to ma41's

Babytway
01-14-2012, 02:08 AM
i hope not i only got two mosbergs my energy is so low that i couldn't do the jobs that much. i don't want no modified shotguns

Certes
01-14-2012, 02:09 AM
i did the symphony hall in broadway and recieved a gun called modified shotgun, it looks the same as the mossberg but has 12/8

wtf?

http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/9049/img0465.png

I just transfered my game to my ipad and dumped a whole bar of energy on Sal. I got two modified shotguns.

To those of you that have the 590s.....did they get switched to the modified shotguns?

EDIT: Just checked out Dudeman.... He still has 9 590s. Looks like they moved the drops on us.

Babytway
01-14-2012, 02:13 AM
wow looks like they changed the weapon from being dropped then, i still have two mosbergs they didn't change in my inventory, not yet at least. when i get more energy i will see if if get the modified shotgun next

procsyzarc
01-14-2012, 02:20 AM
Dam looks like I delayed my condo for nothing by wasting nearly 3m on quest item for this, well at least they fixed it fast now the question will be is this a permeant change or just till the new update when they change it back and everyone is on the same playing field?

deuces
01-14-2012, 02:20 AM
ya the mossbergs in my inventory are still the same, the drop is just different now.

xclusiv
01-14-2012, 02:26 AM
anyone else feel this is unfair that some people were able to loot the mossberg, but many others arent now because funzio decided to change it. i think an email of complaint should be sent.

Nudie
01-14-2012, 02:32 AM
mossberg came and mossberg went away. I'm still happy about the new fight goals. Have to rethink my respect spending strategy.

Certes
01-14-2012, 02:38 AM
People still have it, so it's still out thee. We just have to find it again. New game data files?

xclusiv
01-14-2012, 02:39 AM
mossberg drop has been replaced, straight from funzio.

Yep, the mossberg shotgun had different stats than those that I had thought. So I replaced all instances of the mossberg shotgun with the modified shotgun which has correct stats.

Babytway
01-14-2012, 02:42 AM
they messaged and told you that? im asking because when i get my energy up dont wanna waste,

Certes
01-14-2012, 02:42 AM
Well.... F-ck.

xclusiv
01-14-2012, 02:45 AM
yeah they told me that

TemplarX
01-14-2012, 03:00 AM
Yup, the monster 590 shotgun has been modified into a pathetic 12/8 gun...and funzio did not even use a different icon, looks exactly the same. The developers are way too fickle-minded and is tempering with the game way too much. FAIL !

TemplarX
01-14-2012, 03:01 AM
I think this change was effected 11 hours ago, at least.

Babytway
01-14-2012, 03:08 AM
thanks again dudeman for not letting us know earlier

G Wiz
01-14-2012, 03:20 AM
It appears that our dignity has been ****d

Babytway
01-14-2012, 03:39 AM
i want to know why all of a sudden they changed, the mosberg subject has been on forums for long time now if they didnt want ppl to have it they should have changed long time ago now all they did was piss ppl off

Babytway
01-14-2012, 03:40 AM
its probably against policy to say why they changed it now

Certes
01-14-2012, 03:55 AM
It's a gamechanger. It unbalances the game. They realized this, and corrected it.

Frankly, I'm almost glad it's gone for the moment. Almost....

hunter
01-14-2012, 03:57 AM
you guys should loot double deckers before they change it too. I don't know if they noticed that or not.

xclusiv
01-14-2012, 04:03 AM
crime city *****, crime crime city *****, moss moss berg 50's *****

Babytway
01-14-2012, 04:13 AM
where is double decker again i will try it

xclusiv
01-14-2012, 04:15 AM
city bus empire airport

Cooz
01-14-2012, 04:21 AM
city bus empire airport

Why do I need 21 fire axes to hijack a bus?

Babytway
01-14-2012, 04:27 AM
because thats what chuck norris uses. ty xclusive

Cooz
01-14-2012, 04:30 AM
because thats what chuck norris uses. ty xclusive

I walked into that one...

xclusiv
01-14-2012, 04:55 AM
hey u going on the double decker

Euchred
01-14-2012, 05:04 AM
Wish I would have read this thread again this morning before I spent 2.7mil to get 2 modified shotguns from muscles mulroney.

Cooz
01-14-2012, 05:08 AM
hey u going on the double decker

I'm thinking about it, but I have no energy now, and based on what Euchred just said, I'm not sure I want to.

Ffej
01-14-2012, 05:14 AM
Same here.....

Was reading the forum late last night, but did not have a full bar of energy. Figured I would get some sleep, and then start my awesome farming of some mossbergs in the morning.

Started hitting symphony hall, and saw the shotgun icon pop on the second click. Noticed it said modified shotgun and then saw the crappy stats.

Oh well - Just like in real life....sometimes when something sounds too good to be true, it usually is. This would have been unbalancing for sure, so maybe it is for the best. Back to the good ole M4 A 1

Babytway
01-14-2012, 05:14 AM
im waiting for energy as well i dont have much right bout 700 so i can try 3 times

camdenistheman
01-14-2012, 06:50 AM
allhaildiscordia,

has the iphone version been fixed to drop loot on multiple hit jobs

Anubis
01-14-2012, 07:10 AM
By the time I am done with this ignore feature I may not have anything left to read on here.

Wow, I had no idea there would be such a negative reaction to the way someone decided to enjoy the game.

That reminds me of another time when someone made a post about disagreeing with playing style, only to be told by a good majority of the forum to quit whining and basically stfu.

If a majority wish that I discontinue my contributions to the forum, then just say so. This is ridiculous.

Its the lying that anoyed me dudeman, you could of PM'd all the forum regulars the info and let us share the joy aswell as keeping it private. I guess it doesn't matter now.

Also: like the above poster said, can one-click jobs be done on iphone now or not?

dudeman
01-14-2012, 07:16 AM
Just got my first modified shotgun. Niiiiiiice.

I wish could have got one more Mossberg so I could have 10 like allhaildiscordia.

See how they play around with everything? How many people have had all their strategies messed up because of this? And the introduction of more fight goals? Cool, but also funks my strategy of less xp gain.

Imagine having all your strategies messed with like that because of bugs and technical difficulties (?), and having that go on for over a month. You would feel handicapped. I guess this turns out to have been a bug, and for the first time it wasn't a bug that messes with whatever you try to do.

Glad I got as many of the super guns as I did, but now that it's been changed to what was supposedly intended I might as well finish the job at symphony hall to get the cash out of it, and then it's back to M4A1s.

xclusiv
01-14-2012, 07:18 AM
lol omg guys im going to end the m4a1 once and for all wait for my new thread. you will be shocked. dont use your energy for m4a1's trust me

allhaildiscordia
01-14-2012, 07:23 AM
I'd rather have my $40 back than the 9 Mossbergs in my account I got while using energy refills to finally figure this issue out. I was always more interesting in the existence of the item rather than the item itself. I was the one who broke the news about it to this forum in the first place and was curious why no one had seen it yet.

Anubis
01-14-2012, 07:54 AM
So can this style of farming be done on iphone yet?

Edit: I guess not, so many ppl at a real disadvantage while these super weapons are being farmed.

sez
01-14-2012, 07:57 AM
So can this style of farming be done on iphone yet?

Doesn't appear so with my attempts.

Fig Oni
01-14-2012, 08:02 AM
Its the lying that anoyed me dudeman, you could of PM'd all the forum regulars the info and let us share the joy aswell as keeping it private. I guess it doesn't matter now.

Also: like the above poster said, can one-click jobs be done on iphone now or not?

Anubis I know we had a one off argument but after I noticed how many people stood up to let me know how important member you was for the info and laughs you've shared with other users. So it beggars belief that some forum members believe that there is nothing wrong by keeping the info to themselves. So all i can say is let's have a look rationally, in my life I remember my friend use to get me to play pro evo soccer didn't enjoy it too much and neither did I wanted to exert myself to be a better player. The reason was he would never share any of his tip with anyone, used to say if I tell them my secret they'll use it against me also this guy Ive know him since he was 11 now is over 30 but don't have that real friendship for him also he is the reason I'm playing crime city as one day he was playing the game I ask him what it was, downloaded it and like the game but now the fun part was every time I ask him what reward did you get for so & so he would say can't remember if I ask him have you received such and such item he say I don't look at my inventory I don't know I just collect them (sounding very similar) but the funny thing is because I don't play modern war he knows every loot in every place and all the minor detail in the game but because I play crime city he has a mental block lol when I do ask him anything about crime city, but I always help him regardless when he ask me for advice. Now I have another friend and his way of playing a game is to teach everything he learnt to his opponent (meaning me) so he can have a good match and also it more enjoyable having the fun rivalry then a serious rivalry and also he still hard to beat so people like templex who defended dudeman was only because he share the info with you or you (templex) told dudeman the info not sure what order who new first but it all good so I'll be making a poll to see if you had info on the game no one else had who you share with your friends also I was lucky as I never was dudeman friend before or after the mossy mystery got solved so I felt no hurt by not sharing it with me but did feel a bit jealous as I wanted to be the person to reveal the location and criteria of how to loot the mossbergs but it couldn't of been a better person then allhaildiscordia so In my opinion he is the hero of the forum of 2012 that the info was so daming to Conzio, they went back to work to stop the looting of the mossberg.

TemplarX
01-14-2012, 08:07 AM
lol omg guys im going to end the m4a1 once and for all wait for my new thread. you will be shocked. dont use your energy for m4a1's trust me
So mysterious...

Anubis
01-14-2012, 08:14 AM
To Fig Oni: I read all that because it was directed at me, but seriously, paragraphing makes all the difference.

Any info I've ever had I've shared it with the forum or kept it off the forum and directed it to PM's.

The reason Im a little annoyed with dudeman is he didn't have to enter the thread just to pretend or lie to everyone. some of us spent gold while he was playing make believe. I've just emailed funzio asking for my wasted refils back so that should hopefully sort that out.


Now I have another friend and his way of playing a game is to teach everything he learnt to his opponent (meaning me) so he can have a good match and also it more enjoyable having the fun rivalry then a serious rivalry

I think everyone has serious (if they really are serious in a game) and fun rivalries. Nothin really new there. If you want to make a poll then go for it.

Max Power
01-14-2012, 08:19 AM
The reason Im a little annoyed with dudeman is he didn't have to enter the thread just to pretend or lie to everyone. some of us spent gold while he was playing make believe. I've just emailed funzio asking for my wasted refils back so that should hopefully sort that out.



Agree 100%. It's one thing to shut up, another matter entirely to intentionally deceive. No, people weren't forced to spend their gold, but what did anybody think would happen? It's like sneaking a fox into the hen house.

Especially after the months of complaining while using the game's and forums resources and not spending one nickel, as if he was owed something. He is pretty low on my list right now.

Fig Oni
01-14-2012, 08:19 AM
will do as soon as i go pick the ipad off my brother so I can collect them goodies that xclusive taking about

Also Max & Anubis at least you found out who were really your friends

sez
01-14-2012, 08:22 AM
Agree 100%. It's one thing to shut up, another matter entirely to intentionally deceive. No, people weren't forced to spend their gold, but what did anybody think would happen? It's like sneaking a fox into the hen house.

Especially after the months of complaining while using the game's and forums resources and not spending one nickel, as if he was owed something. He is pretty low on my list right now.

Just go back and look at the scientific picture he created proving he couldnt be getting it from the listed location, it will make you feel better, or worse, makes me laugh and move on.

TemplarX
01-14-2012, 08:31 AM
Anubis I know we had a one off argument but after I noticed how many people stood up to let me know how important member you was for the info and laughs you've shared with other users. So it beggars belief that some forum members believe that there is nothing wrong by keeping the info to themselves. So all i can say is let's have a look rationally, in my life I remember my friend use to get me to play pro evo soccer didn't enjoy it too much and neither did I wanted to exert myself to be a better player. The reason was he would never share any of his tip with anyone, used to say if I tell them my secret they'll use it against me also this guy Ive know him since he was 11 now is over 30 but don't have that real friendship for him also he is the reason I'm playing crime city as one day he was playing the game I ask him what it was, downloaded it and like the game but now the fun part was every time I ask him what reward did you get for so & so he would say can't remember if I ask him have you received such and such item he say I don't look at my inventory I don't know I just collect them (sounding very similar) but the funny thing is because I don't play modern war he knows every loot in every place and all the minor detail in the game but because I play crime city he has a mental block lol when I do ask him anything about crime city, but I always help him regardless when he ask me for advice. Now I have another friend and his way of playing a game is to teach everything he learnt to his opponent (meaning me) so he can have a good match and also it more enjoyable having the fun rivalry then a serious rivalry and also he still hard to beat so people like templex who defended dudeman was only because he share the info with you or you (templex) told dudeman the info not sure what order who new first but it all good so I'll be making a poll to see if you had info on the game no one else had who you share with your friends also I was lucky as I never was dudeman friend before or after the mossy mystery got solved so I felt no hurt by not sharing it with me but did feel a bit jealous as I wanted to be the person to reveal the location and criteria of how to loot the mossbergs but it couldn't of been a better person then allhaildiscordia so In my opinion he is the hero of the forum of 2012 that the info was so daming to Conzio, they went back to work to stop the looting of the mossberg.
Hi Fig...dudeman and I never communicated and he's not even on my mafia list it's just over the forum I pay more attention to what he says because he has similar past experiences probably due to HD factor (ok I dunno how u do it but I have to put a full stop here). Over the past 24 hr i did feel obligated to share my experience on the m590 here on the forum but 2 factors made me hesitate (1--the selfish reason) have only 650 energy so I know I am severely disadvantaged when it comes to farming and once the secret is out I know others who has never contributed will benefit more than I...and (2) the collective deductive logical and coding knowledge from active members here is so great that you guys were figuring things out so rapidly I knew the m590 truth will be out within 2 days anyways. But if you read my in game messages I did share the knowledge with 2 players who were not even on my mafia list who who robbed me before because this is after all a game and i believe we should share the good things around and no fun keeping things to yourself.

BigCheese
01-14-2012, 08:57 AM
well congratz to those who had moss590 and to those who don't :( its not the end of the world.

G Wiz
01-14-2012, 09:26 AM
I kinda agree with above comment...

While I spent no gold, the empathy is there and its not cool for the devs to treat us as such.

I think we need to see an official rule book from funzio so that EVERYONE (devs, admins and mods) can be held liable because the autonomy is a bit skewed here.

As players we must demand it though!

Anubis
01-14-2012, 09:27 AM
Your spot on cooz, even though its a mistake on Funzi's part they need to payback the gold that was spent on a weapon that didnt exist for non-HD users, anda weapon that has been changed.

RE xclusive and dudeman, xclusive did the right thing. He didn't lead ppl on with fake or lie posts. Thats the difference really. It kinda lowers your opinion of someone when they lie about something when they could of kept their knowledge and stayed out the thread instead of adding false pretense.

EDIT: HD users have a lot of strong weaponary on them now. I would recomend to funzio they keep the weapons in the game and update iphone asap to keep game balance.

Cooz
01-14-2012, 09:31 AM
Ok, I kind of feel like an ass...I should probably have asked, but do the players who got Mossbergs initially still have them? Or did they all change to the 12/8 gun?

I withdraw my argument if they still have those weapons.

allhaildiscordia
01-14-2012, 09:36 AM
Yes, the Mossberg is still in the inventory at 50/50 for those who got them. The Modified Shotgun is a new item, and replaced the Mossberg for the purposes of job loot drops only.

Cooz
01-14-2012, 09:42 AM
Yes, the Mossberg is still in the inventory at 50/50 for those who got them. The Modified Shotgun is a new item, and replaced the Mossberg for the purposes of job loot drops only.

Well s**t...I guess I'm a jackass then. Thanks for the info

lil johnny
01-14-2012, 10:03 AM
What about the other locations for the mossberg? From what I've read only boardwalk has been verified to have changed but there are other locations. Also I have the new beta version in addition to original and I have 2 different icons and logins but with same account in same device. In the email I have noticed some script saying there have been additions to a lot of maps, basically everything from boardwalk and up. Anyone else have this? Wondering if maybe drops and rates are different

eddy1234
01-17-2012, 03:14 PM
Yes, the Mossberg is still in the inventory at 50/50 for those who got them. The Modified Shotgun is a new item, and replaced the Mossberg for the purposes of job loot drops only.

Become 12/8 already, not 50/50 anymore. For your reference.

allhaildiscordia
01-17-2012, 04:29 PM
There were 2 updates in less than 24 hours which was the cause for the mis information. The first one replaced the Mossberg job drops with the 12/8 Modified Shotgun but keps the Mossberg at 50/50. The second update nerfed the Mossberg to 12/8 (and SA58) and put it back at the loot drops.

Babytway
01-17-2012, 05:02 PM
both updates sucked balls, i was happy with my lil two mossberg with the orig stats

L1LRORO
02-01-2012, 02:30 AM
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