Admins - is getting stats from the "player database" cheating or not?

[Ragmondino]

Matt froze his Account or told you he had his account frozen?

[Green Drake]

Matt told me his account was frozen by gree. I turned in a ticket after beardy posted all of my information on my wall in July.

[bald zeemer]

It's not really an improvement on your last post to clarify that in your view it's only the terms of service that make an equivalence between a building spreadsheet and a database snoop. This alone should suffice to say your read of the TOS is absurd.

You have a thoroughly bizarre, and frightening, belief in how legal documents ought to be interpreted.

It completely changes the nature of robbing, or of scouting in wars, if some players can rapidly and at no cost find good targets and avoid bad ones.

It absolutely does not.

I could tell you off the top of my head a fairly accurate approximation of the stats and IPH of near on every member of the top 3. The scouting process if done manually takes about 3 minutes the first time you fight a given team.

And again, any 3rd party app that allows sharing of scouting information between teams has the exact effect you are claiming is so unbalancing. To clarify: No, I am not placing moral equivalence between methods, simply stating that if you believe that the effect is the concern then other methods can do the same thing. Furthermore, the other methods are actually being used, and widely. As opposed to the database, which is not now, nor ever has been used for these purposes.

For something that doesn't "matter", and that seems pretty dodgy on the face of it, you sure spend a lot of time defending it.

Because it affects something that does matter - customer service response times. If people start flooding support with tickets about this non-issue then real tickets will take longer to get resolved. If admins waste time responding to these questions, its time they aren't responding to other relevant questions, or moderating the board, or performing the other game-related aspects of their jobs.

[Ragmondino]

There this player ingame, Balthazar, I heard he is the brains behind the database

[zwiswoo]

I could tell you off the top of my head a fairly accurate approximation of the stats and IPH of near on every member of the top 3. The scouting process if done manually takes about 3 minutes the first time you fight a given team.

FFS there are people who aren't in the Three Teams of Greatness. Something can matter and not affect You up in your chalet spending a thousand bucks per battle. The fact that the ten or twenty people with 5 million stats all know each other is, well, fun for you. Hope y'all have fun at your sleepovers. Down here nearer the ground, even for most top 100 or top 50 syndicates (ditto for moderately high stat players), getting scout info or good rob targets without using time/health/gold is a pretty huge deal. Believe it or not, for most teams, time is not the factor limiting how much they scout.

The indication from Drake is that this software seems to have percolated through to the leaders of top 25 syndicates, and it seems like merely a matter of time before it diffuses down much further. All I'm asking for is that A&F or another moderator make explicit whether this sort of database access is allowed by Gree. That's it. You don't wanna know, don't read the answer. I promise I won't shout it into your ears.

If admins waste time responding to these questions, its time they aren't responding to other relevant questions, or moderating the board, or performing the other game-related aspects of their jobs.

Yes, A&F reading the question in my original post and giving a quick ten word answer is what's going to tip Gree service over the edge. That's the last straw that will ensure that relevant questions cannot be answered, so the board will fall to pieces, cats will breed with dogs and anarchy will be loosed upon the world. So you altruistically enter the thread, making it longer and longer to wade through, so A&F will be spared the necessity of reading it. Your solicitude and concern for A&F's eyes and typing fingers is touching.

[Ragmondino]

How many times. It is not at use in hardly any syndicates.
1-3 syndicates may of had use. But that is all. Don't believe everything someone comes on here and says with no actual evidence.

[Butt Futter]

FFS there are people who aren't in the Three Teams of Greatness. Something can matter and not affect You up in your chalet spending a thousand bucks per battle. The fact that the ten or twenty people with 5 million stats all know each other is, well, fun for you. Hope y'all have fun at your sleepovers. Down here nearer the ground, even for most top 100 or top 50 syndicates (ditto for moderately high stat players), getting scout info or good rob targets without using time/health/gold is a pretty huge deal.

The indication from Drake is that this software seems to have percolated through to the leaders of top 25 syndicates, and it seems like merely a matter of time before it diffuses down much further.

This database doesn't do anything. What about the countless group chats that involves a bunch of syndicates sharing war intel? That is much more efficient way to share intel.

[Ragmondino]

I don't think anything we say will stop him.
He has formed a view, a wrong view, and no matter how much he is told and how much info he is given, his view won't change. We would be better just ignoring this thread now and it'll go away. Some people are just not that bright.

[Green Drake]

This database doesn't do anything. What about the countless group chats that involves a bunch of syndicates sharing war intel? That is much more efficient way to share intel.

Still completely missing the point. It is a question of how the information was obtained.

[BigMoney]

The indication from Drake is that this software seems to have percolated through to the leaders of top 25 syndicates, and it seems like merely a matter of time before it diffuses down much further. All I'm asking for is that A&F or another moderator make explicit whether this sort of database access is allowed by Gree. That's it. You don't wanna know, don't read the answer. I promise I won't shout it into your ears.

Yeah, and he's clearly demonstrated himself as a reliable source of info on the matter.

[Green Drake]

Only info I have posted is the email sent to me by Matt Thomas. He made the claims that the info was shared with the top 25 syndicates not me.

[BigMoney]

Only info I have posted is the email sent to me by Matt Thomas. He made the claims that the info was shared with the top 25 syndicates not me.

Well, goes to show you that you can't believe everything you read.

[Ragmondino]

BM just leave them to it.
They'll believe what they want. However much truth is in it.
No point giving them any help or facts because they are stuck in there ways.

[zwiswoo]

Well, goes to show you that you can't believe everything you read.

No doubt, but email quotes from one of the top players of this game count for something surely. I still don't see why anyone should oppose an admin stating Gree policy on this. Zeemer's given a characteristically dissembling argument on that one. You know, he's heroically preventing people from wasting time typing ten words. If you buy that, shrug.

[Ragmondino]

No doubt, but email quotes from one of the top players of this game count for something surely. I still don't see why anyone should oppose an admin stating Gree policy on this. Zeemer's given a characteristically dissembling argument on that one. You know, he's heroically preventing people from wasting time typing ten words. If you buy that, shrug.

The fact you claim he is one of the games top players shows how little you actually know.