Admins - is getting stats from the "player database" cheating or not?

[Dipstik]

I don't think it was developed specifically for crime city, but there is software that detects all of the random data flowing into and out of your device. Just make your point. Waiting for you to claim that it's "hacking" to look at this data.

[Green Drake]

I don't think it was developed specifically for crime city, but there is software that detects all of the random data flowing into and out of your device. Just make your point. Waiting for you to claim that it's "hacking" to look at this data.

It does not matter what it was developed for......capturing data that is not accessible by using outside sources is against the TOS for gree.
While the application and use may be different from someone mining credit card numbers from online retail stores the principal remains the same. You are accessing information that is not yours. So yes to me that is hacking. Not sure how it can be construed any different. The defense you don't understand what is happening is inadequate for me.

[dgwalker]

Writing software to capture this data and interpret it would be considered "hacking". That being said, it is not the illegal sort of hacking that is done to break into a website and steal information. This type of hacking is more akin to modding your car with fancy parts and customizing it.

-Dgwalker

I don't think it was developed specifically for crime city, but there is software that detects all of the random data flowing into and out of your device. Just make your point. Waiting for you to claim that it's "hacking" to look at this data.

[Dipstik]

Or more like using a radio to listen to police dispatch or using a radar detector in your car. Anyway, I give up. This is obviously a difference of opinion that won't be bridged by facts or analogies. It's not illegal, I don't call it unethical, I don't see how it's against TOS, and no one with any authority has spoken up about it. I'm not going to argue about it any more.

[Gingeasian]

wow never seen Dippy so serious on the forum

[Dipstik]

wow never seen Dippy so serious on the forum

Never? I doubt that.

[BigMoney]

wow never seen Dippy so serious on the forum

Dipstik's talking a lot of sense in this topic. It is quite strange, isn't it?

[Green Drake]

It seems to me that the only people that are defending this are the ones from the syndicates that are known to have utilized the software....a means to justify their actions?
You assume that gree's silence means that they condone the action? Why have they not spoken up either way to give their stance. I interpret it to mean that they fear gold sales would be diminished if it became known that their policy was to do nothing regarding random players knowing other players spending habits.
I also never claimed that the action was illegal. It is however a violation of the TOS if you actually read them. However I guess anyone can twist those words to fit their definition. I can only assume that is what you think I have done with them.
I know the policy is not to discuss others accounts but I question why the person that accessed my info and posted it on my wall is no longer active after being reported. I don't know if there were other issues with him or if he was banned for hacking my info.

This thread has been up for a good bit of time. Really wish that the mods would contribute something constructive as this is an issue that people feel strongly about.

[BigMoney]

It seems to me that the only people that are defending this are the ones from the syndicates that are known to have utilized the software....a means to justify their actions?
You assume that gree's silence means that they condone the action? Why have they not spoken up either way to give their stance. I interpret it to mean that they fear gold sales would be diminished if it became known that their policy was to do nothing regarding random players knowing other players spending habits.
I also never claimed that the action was illegal. It is however a violation of the TOS if you actually read them. However I guess anyone can twist those words to fit their definition. I can only assume that is what you think I have done with them.
I know the policy is not to discuss others accounts but I question why the person that accessed my info and posted it on my wall is no longer active after being reported. I don't know if there were other issues with him or if he was banned for hacking my info.

This thread has been up for a good bit of time. Really wish that the mods would contribute something constructive as this is an issue that people feel strongly about.

I don't know if you know this, but you seem to have 21 posts that all say the same thing.

[Green Drake]

I don't know if you know this, but you seem to have 21 posts that all say the same thing.

Not sure if you know this....it is because my question has yet to be answered.

[BigMoney]

Not sure if you know this....it is because my question has yet to be answered.

I believe you need to rehash the same argument 28 more times before you will get a response.

[bald zeemer]

And it won't be. You've decided to grab onto a months old issue and make it a personal crusade. Hopefully Gree continue to ignore you, and focus their effort on some of the real issues in the game.

[Dipstik]

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+1. Extra #smug.

[Green Drake]

Yeah because the same threads are never rehashed on the board. I was not aware of the issue until it happened to me. Since I am not the one that started this or the other thread concerning this I guess I am not the only one that has issue. But I do thank you for your perspective.

[mxz]

Lot of butthurt over someone knowing your skill point (useless) allocation.

If there's one thing you can learn from the senior folks here its that Gree doesn't care.