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    Quote Originally Posted by custos View Post
    Who knows? Some people like playing games in "God mode", others find it boring. Some people need to be the best, some are insecure in RL and find validation through on-line mastery... different stokes.
    You had me right up until here... Ultimately this always rears its ugly head.. Well organized, expertly delivered, then BAM! loss of consciousness.. You were so close my friend..


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    Quote Originally Posted by custos View Post
    The same type of conversation, with people predicting the death of the game, went around here a year ago. That's when the top players who spent lots of money had 100-200K stats. Some of those top players have dropped out. I reiterate: it will be impossible to stay at the top without continually spending money. The stat inflation will see to that. In the future there will be 100K units, maybe with 100% boosts or more. People will have 100M A/D stats. It will happen. Only those who continue to pour money into the game will remain at the top. If they stop, they will be over-run. Stat inflation is s double-edged sword

    That's why, in my opinion, it's dumb to spend a lot of money on the game. The advantage is fleeting. Have a look back at some early screen shots. In the early days there were units you could buy for 900 gems with stats like 100/100, and people did. Obviously these expensive units don't even feature in the armies of medium level players anymore.
    That's the thing its like a corrupt countries system. From the old school days it did in fact did die because a lot of those people quit the game ( a period were the stupid rich guy investing in heavy units with big gems where still put in their place because it was about strategy not just spend money and instantly become the best you had to work and grow knowledge on the game) and this new era of the game started where it moved to the people that were spending big dollars on the game. Just like in the real world corruption is due to the power of who has the most money persuades which way the game will develop. Doesn't matter what bias opinion the big spenders think up it's just the truth. Obviously there is a lot of new players getting introduced to the game that didn't witness all of the rapid changes and then some old players that just created new accounts to start all over again. So for a lot of middle ranged players they are also just quitting... it's only new players and the big spenders keeping this game alive to their own satisfaction which isn't much of a challenge at all. When the main option of the game to be good is spend or not spend you know you have a failed game production.

    Also to keep the game alive people that have been inactive for months or left accounts high and dry on decent stats still float around your kingdoms for you too enter or attack. people say I cant be beaten by more then 80% for the thousands of people playing because only a few of them are actually playing. its just too keep accounts alive to look like more people are playing pretty much everyone in the guilds for top 1250 are the only people playing the game and half of them are people with 2-4 accounts alone. so really its a game for the addicts and the hopefuls.
    Last edited by Mystogan; 08-22-2013 at 08:57 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aphroKEN View Post
    Their ATK and DEF stats are not static. They increase at the near maximum rate. So the only way for lower guilds to catch up is to increase their ATK and DEF at the maximum possible rate and maintain that rate for 2 years. I think it's impossible. Both objectively impossible and subjectively impossible.

    It's subjectively impossible because almost nobody outside of those guilds is willing to persistently spend megabucks. It's objectively impossible because lower guilds don't have the stats boosts exclusively available to the top 3. They will never reach the required maximum rate of increase, let alone maintain it for 2 years. Therefore they will never be able to catch up.
    You sir, have nailed it to the wall. It is what it is folks. Continue at your own risk.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Klassenr@hotmail.com View Post
    You had me right up until here... Ultimately this always rears its ugly head.. Well organized, expertly delivered, then BAM! loss of consciousness.. You were so close my friend..
    Ugly head? I'm not sure of your point. I didn't mean to offend anyone, but I think that's at least one valid explanation of the on-line behaviour of the top-ranked players. Think about the people at the top of the stats list, who necessarily spend large sums of money to remain there (excluding hackers)... they must fall into one of a few categories. They might be exceedingly wealthy (like A-list Hollywood money) such that dropping thousands of dollars on KA is no more of a thought than average people spending $10. For them, playing this game must be like playing in God mode. It is possible to buy your way to the top of every event for a massive stat boost. That will get you into the top guild; especially if you are prepared to commit thousands of dollars on the wars. I can appreciate the allure of doing that if money was no object, but, like playing any computer game in God mode, I think I would bore of it and move on.

    If, on the other hand, someone is spending that sort of money on the game and they are sacrificing something else with that expenditure, I think it's a legitimate question to ask why? And I don't think it's unreasonable to suggest some of these folks do it for self-validation. I've know a few people who are insecure and feel dis-empowered in RL who spend many hours on (e.g.) World for Warcraft where their on-line persona enjoys the power and respect they are missing in RL.

    Another category, which is disturbing, is people spending money they can't actually afford. There are elements of this game that resemble the psychological manipulation of gambling machines -- elements of luck, keep spending for that next elusive prize, etc. Most social games are designed around the same addictive principles behind the design of casino games (see here and here for example). I know of a few people who have given up on KA because they have drained too much money out of their bank accounts, and can see it as a downward spiral. Is that ugly? What do you think?

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    Maybe if i'm sure to not reach a goal, i should stop to spend money or at least spend less, do you

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    Custos,
    Its ugly because it is essentially name-calling. Speculating on the 'who's, why's & how's' of other players just should be avoided imho. It's an ugly beast that happens too often here and never leads to anything more than in-fighting among forum members.

    - With respect


    Truth is i agree with the thread in general. The top players can never be caught and the difference widens exponentially day by day. The consecutive win units in war may be the only way to level they playing field. 6 wars ago i was maybe 800k A/D behind the top players. Today that number is closer to 2.5Mil +.... That is insurmountable at this point.
    Last edited by Klassenr@hotmail.com; 08-23-2013 at 09:31 AM. Reason: Apologies for Hijacking, edited to get back on topic


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    I would pay to join FUN for 2 hours just to see my stat boost and see how fast i can regen health and construct buildings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KingKeith View Post
    I would pay to join FUN for 2 hours just to see my stat boost and see how fast i can regen health and construct buildings.
    How much would you pay?


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    Do most people forget is a game after all?
    All the psychology analysis it's taken place in order to determine the main reason why folks spend money beyond your average is beyond me.
    I started playing this game more than a year ago. I would like to add that there's definitely a great amount of improvement over all from the creator. Def all the new additions keep folks interested.
    Can you be number #1 in the game, absolutely!
    Of course that's place as far as what u consider #1 and what you plan to accomplish.
    Will anyone ever catch FUN, RK or any of the top guilds? It would be nice, but the reality of things it's more than money. It's players commitment into an online game.
    Isn't this the same for all online gaming? For the most part, since it has become a great revenue for app developers as to any corporations. Since at the end, everyone is driven to make $$$$.
    People forget to have fun and stop getting caught up with why they can achieve certain goals.
    Unless you happen to be that competitive and don't want $$$ to become a variable as the results you achieve at the end. Play sports, work out, eat healthy, push heavy and enjoy life.

    Now, as far as the game being boring or dying out. The fact of the matter is, the prices for lower players has dramatically increase which is awesome. Can we use a lot more improvement as a whole? Absolutely. Wish that they wouldn't put a cap on level in a player. That they would introduce more money buildings and units to name a few.
    But once again, it's a game after all. Have fun and enjoy it.
    Take pride on what you do and What you accomplish. At the end, that's what matters.

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    The Top 10 will remain the strongest players, due to the attack boosts of the prize units. I think everyone is starting to notice the wide range from Atk to Def in stats. Yes you may be as strong in Def, however you can not atk like Top guilds can.

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    I take it Gree has to be coming out with new gold units and boost buildings soon. A while back I remember getting dragons was a big thing, then blackrovk battling rams and now their obsolete. I would bet most top guilds don't have any players that use anything but indestructible units. Kinda makes the whole casualty rate decreases worthless.

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    Lower level guilds that are better than everyone else their level can in crease their power by huge amounts if they can finish war ltqs because if their was a strong low level guild they might be able to get the streak unit as well

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    My guild finished top 300 with only 22 members, and got the Dauthus Avatar, lol.
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    When Gree shuts down the game, it will all be a moot point.

    Wait ... What?!?

    You mean this game won't be around forever, after I spent tens of thousands of dollars on it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Without a Paddle? View Post
    I would bet most top guilds don't have any players that use anything but indestructible units. Kinda makes the whole casualty rate decreases worthless.
    The Dragonriders are Top 300 and we don't bother with gold units any longer. Maybe one or two honor units are still worth striving for, but for the most part we all play with indestructible units now.
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