The Hate Mob are ruining the forum.

[robmurphy]

Bam, who are you to say what I am seeing. Do not believe you know anything about me.

I choose to play in a top faction because that is my enjoyment. You are trying to tell me how to play this game based on your beliefs. How rude.

I play however I want to play. I don't give a tiny rats ass how you play and wouldn't tell you how to.

I entered this post because I dislike the negativity of people like you and DEW. I do not tell you how to spend your money or what you and your faction should do.

[Danger Mouse]

Bam, who are you to say what I am seeing. Do not believe you know anything about me.

I choose to play in a top faction because that is my enjoyment. You are trying to tell me how to play this game based on your beliefs. How rude.

I play however I want to play. I don't give a tiny rats ass how you play and wouldn't tell you how to.

I entered this post because I dislike the negativity of people like you and DEW. I do not tell you how to spend your money or what you and your faction should do.

Philosophical question Rob. Would you continue to patronise a restaurant where portion sizes got less and less, cooking quality got worse and worse, the serving staff ignore you complaints, and management charge the same regardless of all this, top dollar. Of course you wouldn't. But many people used to love this restaurant, and want to love it again, dearly hoping it would return to its glory days. But all they see is you and your mates rewarding the owners for this rapidly deteriorating service by continuing to pay them top dollar, regardless of what's served up, crowding the doors for every "special".
What would your response be to that scenario?

[bam bam.]

Bam, who are you to say what I am seeing. Do not believe you know anything about me.

I choose to play in a top faction because that is my enjoyment. You are trying to tell me how to play this game based on your beliefs. How rude.

I play however I want to play. I don't give a tiny rats ass how you play and wouldn't tell you how to.

I entered this post because I dislike the negativity of people like you and DEW. I do not tell you how to spend your money or what you and your faction should do.

Mate it is just a phylisophical difference. I did not mean you are a bad person and Jesus should smite thee. I was trying to say the best way to help your team is to maybe take 3 steps back and fight to win the war of improving the game rather than buying a place on a leaderboard. You can spend away in dangers restaurant as above, you are free to do so. But when the place gets shut down due to a rat infestation and poor hygiene know that your spending enabled and encouraged this behaviour.

You are a good dude and you are here trying to improve the forum. We are good people and we are trying to improve the game ---> which will then as a byproduct improve the forum.

[Helios Von Elisar]

It depends on how hot the waitresses are.

I don't worry about how other people spend their money and don't understand why it upsets others. They aren't effecting your game - except for the facts that they are paying the salaries of those who keep the game going. Maybe we need more spenders, good developers are expensive.

[robmurphy]

Philosophical question Rob. Would you continue to patronise a restaurant where portion sizes got less and less, cooking quality got worse and worse, the serving staff ignore you complaints, and management charge the same regardless of all this, top dollar. Of course you wouldn't. But many people used to love this restaurant, and want to love it again, dearly hoping it would return to its glory days. But all they see is you and your mates rewarding the owners for this rapidly deteriorating service by continuing to pay them top dollar, regardless of what's served up, crowding the doors for every "special".
What would your response be to that scenario?

DM

With the greatest respect I've been asked that question many times and of course the answer you suggest is of course correct for the scenario you give.

However, I love this game and month on month my spend increases. I think the glitches and bugs are hilarious. Although to be honest I seem to only have a fraction of the problems most people in the forum have (perhaps I'm an insider......)

There's no answer I can give that will be acceptable to some. But I love this game and will continue to spend at GREEs restaurant until I chose not to.

[bam bam.]

DM

With the greatest respect I've been asked that question many times and of course the answer you suggest is of course correct for the scenario you give.

However, I love this game and month on month my spend increases. I think the glitches and bugs are hilarious. Although to be honest I seem to only have a fraction of the problems most people in the forum have (perhaps I'm an insider......)

There's no answer I can give that will be acceptable to some. But I love this game and will continue to spend at GREEs restaurant until I chose not to.

That is fine. You have the freedom to do so and I respect that freedom. I just think your actions are more of a problem then people spouting off at the mouth on a forum. Words are cheap. Doing the right thing is much harder.

[Danger Mouse]

DM

With the greatest respect I've been asked that question many times and of course the answer you suggest is of course correct for the scenario you give.

However, I love this game and month on month my spend increases. I think the glitches and bugs are hilarious. Although to be honest I seem to only have a fraction of the problems most people in the forum have (perhaps I'm an insider......)

There's no answer I can give that will be acceptable to some. But I love this game and will continue to spend at GREEs restaurant until I chose not to.

Yeah, ok. But surely you must notice the tables are emptying around you, so how much longer do you think this restaurant will be in business doing what it does. Wouldn't you prefer it to go back to the winning menu and keep the doors open longer? Or are you happy to sit at your table by yourself until the lights go out

[bam bam.]

Yeah, ok. But surely you must notice the tables are emptying around you, so how much longer do you think this restaurant will be in business doing what it does. Wouldn't you prefer it to go back to the winning menu and keep the doors open longer? Or are you happy to sit at your table by yourself until the lights go out

That's not accurate sped will be there too and we will just be jelly :P

[J-manKometh96]

Very funny indeed. While there are many complainers, most of the personal attacks actually come from those crying about personal attacks.

As goes the game, so goes the forum. With playership down by something like 80% (account wise, I can only imagine more for the actual humans playing based on how many have multiple accounts), of course you will see the same here. There is nothing new for people to add or discuss that is positive because there is nothing new in the game that is positive. But there are plenty of new bugs, glitches, and GREE-ups daily. So we discuss the game as it is. Nothing more.

Positive game = positive discussion.

Negative game = negative discussion.

Pretty simple really. As time has gone on and this game has gotten worse and worse, some people started to look at some of the real reasons the game was so bad. And they found that the easiest way to show others where the real problems were was to simply put up some mirrors. The problem is some didn't like what they saw.

[robmurphy]

Yeah, ok. But surely you must notice the tables are emptying around you, so how much longer do you think this restaurant will be in business doing what it does. Wouldn't you prefer it to go back to the winning menu and keep the doors open longer? Or are you happy to sit at your table by yourself until the lights go out

Yep, I see that. One of the most notable things is the consolidation of factions (mergers) which in themselves often don't work.

I will accept that, theoretically, if SUP and EW agreed to go non-gold for a cycle, then things may happen. But the problems are way beyond the herculean tank of persuading 120 players (yes, I'm one of them) to not spend gold.

The Top 3 down would all need convincing too because they'd all love to beat SUP and EW, so you're not trying to convince 120 players, your trying to convince 1,000 players

Also, you may end up flushing the baby out with the bath water as that sudden shock of lost revenues may cause GREE to park MW

I'm pretty sure I heard speed give this same answer on more than one occasion. You're dealing with a huge amount of variables here (yes, ego is a damn big variable). All it would take is a few people from the top 1,000 players making a rush in the last few hours of the non-gold WD for the whole thing to implode. Remember nearly all humans are greedy.

This will not happen. But I'd be very happy to be proved wrong.

[HellRaizer]

Hey guys. Don't worry, I'm not back, I just enjoyed reading the debate on this thread and couldn't but help give my insights and opinions.

For a long time I was a Medium to Light spender. (qualified for the 2nd tier gold bonus on a number of occasions). I went gold free during one of the many stat inflations which basically nuked my gold units.

The reason why I killed my HLP off back at the start of the year of because of the repeat of the 7 (or was it 6) day WD. When it reappeared despite the backlash on the forum, I was in a place where I could ask why, and the simple answer was that the last 7(6) day was more profitable than the regular 3. Now I can't debate morals with Gree because they do want to make a profit and of course they will reintroduce things that work well on paper.

Funnily enough it was also around this time the forums appeared (in my opinion) to drop another notch in quality (gaming quality). In a way it's understandable. The community used the forums to make it abundantly clear that they were not happy with that long event. The devs even recognised that, however any communication from the player base was ignored because "others" spent more. Therefore, the "respect" of what the forum could accomplish dropped quite drastically and then you end up where we are now. A number of gold free or "retired" players "trolling" because they were in effect let down by the company (or even trolled by the company if you considered the 7 day announcement to be a troll, as by its definition it did insight a backlash of comments).

So maybe just maybe, people rant on here because they are watching a game they enjoyed being destroyed due to "others" continued to reward Gree..

So.. what you see on the forums is most likely also happening in the game. Numerous people are dropping like files or are in lurker factions that maybe play a few minutes a day. PvP has dropped. Fewer people do iLTQ. FLTQ has disappeared. WD points are down in regards to the lower end. Epic boss is now rubbish for new blood because there are no groups. My old bunch of lurkers made T300 ish in WD and FL gold free, and yet the use to spend a lot more just to get 100 places higher.

For the game to survive it needs appeal to whole player base, and not just the top dogs plus a few spenders (and the occasional person that enjoys it). As you can clearly see, if the lower league of players aren't happy with the game they are scaring off new blood.

It's meant to be fun, not a job.

(i might pop back in a month to see how it going)

[Danger Mouse]

Yep, I see that. One of the most notable things is the consolidation of factions (mergers) which in themselves often don't work.

I will accept that, theoretically, if SUP and EW agreed to go non-gold for a cycle, then things may happen. But the problems are way beyond the herculean tank of persuading 120 players (yes, I'm one of them) to not spend gold.

The Top 3 down would all need convincing too because they'd all love to beat SUP and EW, so you're not trying to convince 120 players, your trying to convince 1,000 players

Also, you may end up flushing the baby out with the bath water as that sudden shock of lost revenues may cause GREE to park MW

I'm pretty sure I heard speed give this same answer on more than one occasion. You're dealing with a huge amount of variables here (yes, ego is a damn big variable). All it would take is a few people from the top 1,000 players making a rush in the last few hours of the non-gold WD for the whole thing to implode. Remember nearly all humans are greedy.

This will not happen. But I'd be very happy to be proved wrong.

And that'd just kill you, wouldn't it - missing top spot for one cycle, even if the message sent might save the game. Doesn't that strike you as lame?

And there ladies and gentlemen we see the root problem.

[robmurphy]

And that'd just kill you, wouldn't it - missing top spot for one cycle, even if the message sent might save the game. Doesn't that strike you as lame?

And there ladies and gentlemen we see the root problem.

Reading too quickly again DM. I didn't say I was opposed to it. I expressed a view as to why it won't happen. But if the leaders of the top factions give the instruction, I'd be very happy to join in.

Your criticism is ill-founded.

The other truth is the top factions would remain the top factions in a non-gold WD due to regen times.

Don't make assumptions of me. I state things clearly. I said it won't happen because that it my view. I don't say I wouldn't give it a go.

[bam bam.]

Hey guys. Don't worry, I'm not back, I just enjoyed reading the debate on this thread and couldn't but help give my insights and opinions.

For a long time I was a Medium to Light spender. (qualified for the 2nd tier gold bonus on a number of occasions). I went gold free during one of the many stat inflations which basically nuked my gold units.

The reason why I killed my HLP off back at the start of the year of because of the repeat of the 7 (or was it 6) day WD. When it reappeared despite the backlash on the forum, I was in a place where I could ask why, and the simple answer was that the last 7(6) day was more profitable than the regular 3. Now I can't debate morals with Gree because they do want to make a profit and of course they will reintroduce things that work well on paper.

Funnily enough it was also around this time the forums appeared (in my opinion) to drop another notch in quality (gaming quality). In a way it's understandable. The community used the forums to make it abundantly clear that they were not happy with that long event. The devs even recognised that, however any communication from the player base was ignored because "others" spent more. Therefore, the "respect" of what the forum could accomplish dropped quite drastically and then you end up where we are now. A number of gold free or "retired" players "trolling" because they were in effect let down by the company (or even trolled by the company if you considered the 7 day announcement to be a troll, as by its definition it did insight a backlash of comments).

So maybe just maybe, people rant on here because they are watching a game they enjoyed being destroyed due to "others" continued to reward Gree..

So.. what you see on the forums is most likely also happening in the game. Numerous people are dropping like files or are in lurker factions that maybe play a few minutes a day. PvP has dropped. Fewer people do iLTQ. FLTQ has disappeared. WD points are down in regards to the lower end. Epic boss is now rubbish for new blood because there are no groups. My old bunch of lurkers made T300 ish in WD and FL gold free, and yet the use to spend a lot more just to get 100 places higher.

For the game to survive it needs appeal to whole player base, and not just the top dogs plus a few spenders (and the occasional person that enjoys it). As you can clearly see, if the lower league of players aren't happy with the game they are scaring off new blood.

It's meant to be fun, not a job.

(i might pop back in a month to see how it going)

Quick mods, ban this guy, he is making way too much sense.

[Danger Mouse]

Reading too quickly again DM. I didn't say I was opposed to it. I expressed a view as to why it won't happen. But if the leaders of the top factions give the instruction, I'd be very happy to join in.

Your criticism is ill-founded.

The other truth is the top factions would remain the top factions in a non-gold WD due to regen times.

Don't make assumptions of me. I state things clearly. I said it won't happen because that it my view. I don't say I wouldn't give it a go.

Ok, misunderstandings all round. My point was, so what if it's only 120 players that decide to go gold free - which is very doable - and team 3 takes the prize because they didn't boycott? If teams 1 and 2 very publicly told grew they weren't spending until things change, that sends a powerful message to management and hurts revenue enough for them to take notice. Of course 1000 players won't do it, but 2-3 factions right at the top can, easily. But then you wouldn't be at the top for that one cycle, so it won't happen, will it.