[Updated] Official 11+ Movement Thread

[IronSide]

I have probably made well overy 400 dollars in purchases in the last month to only find myself with one epic I recieved last night. If it is going to take that much for me to get a second im out in fact I AM NOT PURCHASING GEMS ANYMORE. Until we find ourselves with the chance for better fusing odds, sick of tossing two three stars away for a snakeskin armor a one star. If gree really is about the people that play how about you let them play.

Imagine how much I would spend if I didnt have anything bad to say. I have only been playing for a month.

[The Pale Rider]

Midwar, one of our members had something terrible happen to him that didn't allow him to finish the war. He was a veteran member and gemmer, so we trusted him and know he wasn't lying. With this point requirement system, he wouldn't have gotten the epic, even though he deserved it.

That's a rare circumstance and he didn't "deserve" it because he didn't meet minimums. You just wanted him to have it. Set your minimum lower, tell him to give his phone to somebody else or miss out on one armor (ridiculous to abandon the entirecircumstance so you can selectively bestow rewards on people you like who can't finish a war midstream when a tragedy happens). For 99% of guilds this is a non-issue. We have a modest 20K minimum and I get excuses every single war. Bottom line - you can use gems to knock out 20K in one hour - at any point in the 3 days. If you will be traveling with no access to internet, than you don't get the reward and you shouldn't care much.

[The Pale Rider]

The irony of all of this is that the posting guidelines prevent us from engaging "in religious or political discussion, or [promoting] political or legal actions or boycotts against any entity."

"Any entity" would definitely include GREE, so posting about gem boycotts may very well result in bans.

It is not a boycott of GREE to not spend money in K&D on Gems or advocate that others do the same. That said -- you can be banned from a forum for any reason or no reason.

[firefly333]

That's a rare circumstance and he didn't "deserve" it because he didn't meet minimums. You just wanted him to have it. Set your minimum lower, tell him to give his phone to somebody else or miss out on one armor (ridiculous to abandon the entirecircumstance so you can selectively bestow rewards on people you like who can't finish a war midstream when a tragedy happens). For 99% of guilds this is a non-issue. We have a modest 20K minimum and I get excuses every single war. Bottom line - you can use gems to knock out 20K in one hour - at any point in the 3 days. If you will be traveling with no access to internet, than you don't get the reward and you shouldn't care much.

What was discussed in the room was giving the GM the authority to kick right after the war, before rewards are given out. Now once the person joins a guild they still get the war awards even if they leeched.

In this case if the GM decided the excuses were legit or the person was a long standing member, it would be up to the discretion of the GM to allow them to still get the war prizes.

[bosskiller]

What was discussed in the room was giving the GM the authority to kick right after the war, before rewards are given out. Now once the person joins a guild they still get the war awards even if they leeched.

In this case if the GM decided the excuses was legit or the person was a long standing member, it would be up to the discretion of the GM to allow them to still get the war prizes.

this is already possible, isnt it?

[leems]

this is a good but horribly executed movement so far o.O if u want results u got to show resiliance. i.e. top 10 do a surprise sit out, dont alert lower then top 10 guilds and sit back and see if people will really go crazy and try to fill your shoes. IMHO i doubt the high will be more then 6 mil. u might get a straggler whos been building up or gearing for it like the last war, but doubt it after being demoralized by DK.

[firefly333]

this is already possible, isnt it?

nope, as i said above, even if you kick before awards come out they still get them.

I think I saw pale rider mention ...if you are not online during the redemption period is the only way you would not get rewards.

[Quimpz]

U2EZ support Majestic all the way! also the +11 Movement!

[09cobaltss]

this is a good but horribly executed movement so far o.O if u want results u got to show resiliance. i.e. top 10 do a surprise sit out, dont alert lower then top 10 guilds and sit back and see if people will really go crazy and try to fill your shoes. IMHO i doubt the high will be more then 6 mil. u might get a straggler whos been building up or gearing for it like the last war, but doubt it after being demoralized by DK.

are you in the chat?

[TakeTheirTeeth]

I agree. I'm not in the Situation Room, but as I understand it while it may be true that Majestic was the catalyst, or at least the launching point, there are representatives from dozens of other guilds - Top 10 and others...and all seem to be onboard with it.

Why are you so sore at Majestic anyway? They aren't always Top 10 contenders and they barely ranked last time; it took two days of consistent back and forth with Forsaken.



They placed, they have placed in the past, and they'll likely place again...it benefits everyone, not just them.

Did you get shot down by them or something, or were you in Forsaken and pissed that you lost? You shouldn't be; they fought hard and were it not for their many leechers there's a good chance they woulda made #10 instead.

I was there, and yes there was a damn good chance if 10+ freeloading scammers would have fought instead of running their mouths and not fighting.

[The Pale Rider]

What was discussed in the room was giving the GM the authority to kick right after the war, before rewards are given out. Now once the person joins a guild they still get the war awards even if they leeched.

In this case if the GM decided the excuses were legit or the person was a long standing member, it would be up to the discretion of the GM to allow them to still get the war prizes.

I understand the proposition and I don't like it as a GM or a player. The only thing at the GM's discretion should be setting a minimum score before a war starts. This selective reward/punishment concept can and will be abused.

[Sol Invictus]

When you have at least one GM scamming a member out of their account when they tried to trade through binding, which has happened, then the whole idea of GMs being able to arbitrarily and unilaterally withhold war rewards from players becomes such a clearly bad idea that it shouldn't even have to be discussed.

The demands should be simple.

War rewards should be better, because 11+ guilds pay good money for 11-100.
The kingdom should expand with new areas, per the poll that Elita posted.
And cheaters should be more aggressively pursued, since there are good, legit players.

All the other stuff is tertiary wishful thinking.

[smujica93]

I agree that whilst changing ratings might not have any influence at all and might not be the best step forward it is the only pressure we can deliver atm. Honestly all of this wouldnt be necessary if gree had people actually reading the forum and conversating with their best customers (which we represent) from time to time.

It saddens me how easy people shut down other peoples ideas but refrain from giving structural input themselves. Its a good thing people actually try to get stuff changed and for a movement that has existed for 2 days and had kind of a rough start id say give it a chance rather then shut it down and laugh instantly.

As for most top10 guilds not spending is not an option we have to find other ways to accomplish these things we want. I for one am happy mikie took the kead on contacting gree and i support him doing that. Please stop bragging about your superduper guild being so cool and having so many epics and gems and still arent complaining to gree. Just shows you dont give a crap about this games longterm survival. Go write a blog about hwo much more gems you spend than majestic and see who cares.

My thoughts exactly. Thank you.

[smujica93]

It is not a boycott of GREE to not spend money in K&D on Gems or advocate that others do the same. That said -- you can be banned from a forum for any reason or no reason.

That was my point. Of course GREE can ban people on forums for any reason and no reason. Just like doctors can refuse to see patients for any reason and no reason (except discrimination). What I was trying to say was that it seemed like that rule was tied into the forum rules sticky for exactly what people are advocating now: a gem boycott.

It is unlikely that GREE will ban people for no reason (even though they can), and it is also unlikely that a gem boycott will happen. However, it is still rather unsettling that even talking about gem boycotts (which would be used as a statement to facilitate the advancement of customer input) would likely result in bans.

Nonetheless, there have been no bans for gem boycott talks so far, so let's cross our fingers I guess.

[busteroaf]

When you have at least one GM scamming a member out of their account when they tried to trade through binding, which has happened, then the whole idea of GMs being able to arbitrarily and unilaterally withhold war rewards from players becomes such a clearly bad idea that it shouldn't even have to be discussed.

The demands should be simple.

War rewards should be better, because 11+ guilds pay good money for 11-100.
The kingdom should expand with new areas, per the poll that Elita posted.
And cheaters should be more aggressively pursued, since there are good, legit players.

All the other stuff is tertiary wishful thinking.

Hit the nail on the head with the GM topic. One spoils it for the whole bunch, and that one has already happened, so why would they then give GM's even more power to screw people over?

Better rewards, we all want. But stop saying people pay good money for 11-100. Guilds placing in top 100 is laughable at best, as many can do that through free energy alone. Sure, the rewards could be better, but those that do spend, aren't breaking any banks to place top 100, that is for sure. Yes, come back with the reasoning that "if the rewards were better, they would spend more..." Yeah, and I can also tell you that I'll do a better job if I get a raise first. That isn't how it works. You put in the work first, then get the rewards, not the other way around.

Kingdom expansion, new areas... my only true concern with this is how will they approach it. Obviously increasing the difficulty, and then the craftable rewards would have to be better than currently craftable 3* armors. But, how far do they go? Are we talking on par with epic bosses? 6 Month ago bosses? How much of a step forward will that cause for the stat creep? And to touch on the poll, it should have been plainly obvious that said poll Elita posted was just in response to people saying "can we consolidate things and get a poll going", nothing more. There was never speak of "whichever gets the most votes will be acted upon" yet people seem to think otherwise.