Congrats Gree!

[-H-]

It's war.... With team work 90% of matches are winnable.

Those that have adapted new strategies to get the most rewards deserve the rewards for doing so. Those players with high stat averages have worked hard and most likely paid for them.

People seem to be of the opinion that splinter guilds have it easy. Those who are in splinter guilds know the truth.

There will always be a stronger or more determined guild out there with more gems to push for the win.

I do agree that sometimes the matching seems unfair or silly but no matter what equation gree uses there will always be those who feel unfairly done by.

[Danthorne]

Gree has no control over who is in what guild and the strategies they use. Adapt and evolve. If you're using the same plan as you did in the first war and have made no changes, you may be left behind.

For matches, realize there's a finite number of guilds, which is actually small. Just take the 1200 used in ranking. If all are matched up, that's 600 wars in progress. If you declare during a period when 80% are fighting, that gives you a pool of 240 guilds to draw from and maybe only 10% have hit the declare button when you did. That leaves you with a pool of 24 guilds potentially ranging from rank 1-1200. So every matchup will not be perfect and put you with your perfect choice. It will vary wildly and Gree can't take the sole blame for that. I'm of course in no way defending Gree or anything they do, but they can only minimally control matchups (well, unless you're on the last battle of a streak and they seem to select the hardest guild available at the time for your match, lol).

[AllFather Odin]

We are a top 75 guild and we matched up with FUN, FUN 2, RK3 and SB. Talk about impossible. The only thing we did was knock down their wall and mega attacked their GG. Other than that, we took castles and got pummelled.....

[Rastlin]

I agree its part of the game. You have to adjust to how the mechanism work. But you cant take away thats a big problem also. Two wars in a row we got the Band av Alexes just when we were about to reach a milestone. None in our guild can beat any of them. Thats not fair when you can do nothing. \ Do you think its fair?

We get FUN, and RK... Do you think it is fair? We can't beat them either.. Lowest member is lvl 62 with over 6m Def. How is it any different? Top 75 and higher guilds have been dealing with this since guilds started. About time those of you hiding in the bottom ranks have to play like the rest of us.

[Dragon Buster]

We get FUN, and RK... Do you think it is fair? We can't beat them either.. Lowest member is lvl 62 with over 6m Def. How is it any different? Top 75 and higher guilds have been dealing with this since guilds started. About time those of you hiding in the bottom ranks have to play like the rest of us.

Yes, of course it's more fair for #5 team to get matched against #1, than #150. And BTW, the lowest FUN member had only 5M defense, so every member of DW team could beat him.

[Rastlin]

Yes, of course it's more fair for #5 team to get matched against #1, than #150. And BTW, the lowest FUN member had only 5M defense, so every member of DW team could beat him.

How about when I was in Flub (Top 75 & 50 guild), and got matched with FUN and RK? And these Splinter Guilds are in your rankings... so it is no different than what you said...

[Dragon Buster]

How about when I was in Flub (Top 75 & 50 guild), and got matched with FUN and RK?

lol... exactly

[alonibb]

We get FUN, and RK... Do you think it is fair? We can't beat them either.. Lowest member is lvl 62 with over 6m Def. How is it any different? Top 75 and higher guilds have been dealing with this since guilds started. About time those of you hiding in the bottom ranks have to play like the rest of us.

I fully understand that a match with FUN or RK also is impossible to win. But my guess is that at least a few in your guild has high enough stats to beat some in FUN and RK or am I wrong? The main issue I was whining about was you getting guilds with 0 targets. Getting guilds with targets but that spend 10 mountains of gems each battle is impossible to win against, but you can score points. However your scenario is almost the same and we all understand that even FUN and RK must have opponents to fight.

As several players already have said its impossible to create an algoritm that everyone think is good, but I still think Gree should do some small changes to avoid what happened to us having 9 battles in a row against guilds with almost 0 targets.

[Dragon Buster]

To summarize, the match-ups would've been a lot more fair if the guilds were matched by their current ranking and average member stats. Than each side would need to put some effort in order to win, and GREE would get more revenue from such battles.

[Chups Crow]

Well there isn't really a guild with all of it's member have 5 million defense. If there is one, then they should kick some of it's member and recruit a few low level players with 1 million and a few high level players with 12 million. The LLP for low CP points and HLP for attacking opponent HLP when there is one.

[Angharod]

Other than whatever was happening 2-3 wars ago, this seems to be a much bigger problem for top guilds (say 200 and up) than us lil guys. Ours is a top 500-ish guild, and in a normal war, we'll get about 10% of our matches against much more powerful guilds. By that I mean that only our top 2-3 people can beat anyone while our average player is stuck with the castle. Then again, we are all about overall score rather than winning streaks, so we don't get too wound up unless we can't score any points or get smeared, pee'd on, and set on fire on their way out.

That said, it can be a huge morale issue to get a streak of those, so any algo improvement would result in dancing in the figurative streets.

[Jerusalem]

It's war.... With team work 90% of matches are winnable.

Those that have adapted new strategies to get the most rewards deserve the rewards for doing so. Those players with high stat averages have worked hard and most likely paid for them.

People seem to be of the opinion that splinter guilds have it easy. Those who are in splinter guilds know the truth.

There will always be a stronger or more determined guild out there with more gems to push for the win.

I do agree that sometimes the matching seems unfair or silly but no matter what equation gree uses there will always be those who feel unfairly done by.

Right on, H. And congrats on another stellar performance this past weekend.

[Danthorne]

If you want Gree to only match you with guilds around your rank and average, you'll only be fighting the same 10 guilds and could take hours to match one of them, if one of them happens to even declare when you did. Kind of defeats the purpose. There's only so many guilds on and declared at a particular time.

[Shiloh]

First off, it's just false that you can win 90% in only you play well/smart/together. We had at least 10 wars with guilds THAT WE COULD NOT HIT ANYONE. We finished probably around 160 this war. We know how to make the most of what we have, but we never won 3 in a row and I think our record was 14-24.

Secondly, average stats and NOT, ranking is the most fair way to match. It's not perfect but it's so by far the best option it's beyond belief there is even a debate.

[JPNy]

First off, it's just false that you can win 90% in only you play well/smart/together. We had at least 10 wars with guilds THAT WE COULD NOT HIT ANYONE. We finished probably around 160 this war. We know how to make the most of what we have, but we never won 3 in a row and I think our record was 14-24.

Secondly, average stats and NOT, ranking is the most fair way to match. It's not perfect but it's so by far the best option it's beyond belief there is even a debate.

Nothing fair with average stats ! It's just fair that players who have worked and paid for their stats can beat those who haven't.
Your problem is not about matching system, but insane spread of stats...