LIARs LIARs LIARs: King of Lying and all other things about new Epic Boss

[SenorSwamp]

Look mate, they are adjusting it. What's the point if everyone can kill the boss with 2-3-4 hits? Why not just give away the prizes for free? So now it takes 15 hits (for you). What's the matter with that? It's still totally doable without gems. Do you feel you shouldn't put any effort into any quests? Again, what's the point if that is the case? Heck, the boss even give potions as rewards! I have been using some of them to kill the bosses. Took a lot of time but zero gems to 100. So indeed, the numbers do speak for themselves. It's not easy as giving it away, it takes effort and time (as it should), and it's doable without gems. Can't complain.

Sigh. I never asked for it to be free. I simply stated that increase of 8x and a decrease of .06x were not commensurate. The algorithm/methodology has to more nuanced than that. Again, this is an attempt on the part of the respondent (in this case you) to reduce my position to the point of absurdity.

I am simply suggesting that for people who spent years and thousands of dollars developing something, pulling the proverbial rug out from under them in this way is simply not kosher. Perhaps there could be a model that allows you to choose your method of attack--i.e. you can use your old "attack" or the new "hero strength." This would allow those that have already invested to enjoy the fruits of their investment and give the new people an opportunity to invest in-kind. Perhaps this is a bad idea. I don't know. I do know that the model Gree resorted to is ridiculous in that they went from alienating one portion of their customer base to doing the same thing to the other side.

No. I'm not the only one. Most in my guild (top 25) was able to finish without gems. Again, it took some effort, and gold, but still able to finish gem free. That's a win in my book.

Some effort? aka around the clock playing for four days! That is reasonable if you are new and/or building an account. If you have already put in this time and effort at some earlier stage, why should you be doing it all over again at this level of painstaking tedium? For the 20th time, I am not asking for free and easy. I am asking for a more sophisticated approach to this than simply a zero or a one. Gree has to be better than a binary conversation.

I don't see how they can be mad. So instead of breezing through a 5 day event in 1 day, they have to put some time and effort in. Waffleking summed it up nicely. They are trying to balance the game for everyone. In the past, while you may be able to fly though EB, a lot can never make 100. Not even with some gem usage. Then you get those people complaining. I don't think this game can ever please everyone. There will always be something that will piss someone off. The best they can do is please more people then they piss off.

Once again, you miss the point that these people that were "flying" through it have already spent both time and money getting to this position to do this. There is some expectation that they should stay somewhere in that ballpark (i.e. closer than the delta between +8x and -.063x), since they paid for it. Gree needs to be better at creating solutions and not simply moving the problem to another stakeholder group.

[Vclone]

I am glad to finally see a response, but I'm not sure I understand why you would of had to remove the EB if it was kept the old style. That does not make much sense to me. But if you insist on this new stlye and looking for a more balanced approach, then you going to have to give out more weapons, Armors, and ect, with actual better stats then what we already have and can craft. Especially for gem events like RB and conquest indi rewards. Also maybe making top 3 guild rewards for conquest good weapons or items with bonuses to make so heavy gemmers get more of a advantage again.

I was writing my own response and realized that it was all said here. We need weapons and armor to raise our strength again. Some foot and head equipment drops would be nice too.

[Jomama1]

Yes - it seems insane not to have indy war rewards that matter.

[Ryosaeba]

Most of the players that spend money on this game are business owners or successful professionals in their profession...busy people with no time spend on some stupid boss event that takes 5 days to complete. Most of us used gems because we wanted to complete events early so we can go back to doing what we what we do best...making money. We built our accounts up to be strong enough to kill a lvl 100 boss with one free hit and now we have been reset. Most of us who don't have the time to spend killing bosses for 5 days are not completing this event because we refuse to spend money on an event we should be completing for free (because we already spent money to build our accounts up, thought I might say this again you may have missed the point).

It is sad that you don't realize that when players like us leave this game you will too.

Again, what's the point of playing a game if you 'purchase God mode?' It's like "Oh look! I purchased the Sword of 1000 Truths and now I'm invincible! Muhahahaha. Throw any quests at me Gree! I will finish them in an hour!"

You see where I'm getting at? Where's the part that you actually play? So you log in, make a hit, and log off. Is that really consider playing? People play hours on end non-stop in games like WoW. Heck, people even die from exhaustion from playing WoW. The total time spent on this is a mere fraction of those real games.

If Gree kept it the way you liked, they might as well just give you the prizes the moment you log in. I mean how dare they make you tap tap tap on your phone/pad to get a prize...

I apologize for my silly sarcasm but if a game doesn't present a challenge, it's not really a game any more. And truth is, if this game is gone, I will just have more free time with other games. I don't live and die by a game, nor do I define myself by a game.

What Gree should of done is canceled EB like WaffaleKing suggested and make a new event, call it: "Ultimate Boss" and then implement the new balance settings. Would people complain then? Of course.. There will always be people complaining, but at lease Gree can say it's a completely different event.

[truthteller]

Again, what's the point of playing a game if you 'purchase God mode?' It's like "Oh look! I purchased the Sword of 1000 Truths and now I'm invincible! Muhahahaha. Throw any quests at me Gree! I will finish them in an hour!"

You see where I'm getting at? Where's the part that you actually play? So you log in, make a hit, and log off. Is that really consider playing? People play hours on end non-stop in games like WoW. Heck, people even die from exhaustion from playing WoW. The total time spent on this is a mere fraction of those real games.

If Gree kept it the way you liked, they might as well just give you the prizes the moment you log in. I mean how dare they make you tap tap tap on your phone/pad to get a prize...

I apologize for my silly sarcasm but if a game doesn't present a challenge, it's not really a game any more. And truth is, if this game is gone, I will just have more free time with other games. I don't live and die by a game, nor do I define myself by a game.

What Gree should of done is canceled EB like WaffaleKing suggested and make a new event, call it: "Ultimate Boss" and then implement the new balance settings. Would people complain then? Of course.. There will always be people complaining, but at lease Gree can say it's a completely different event.

wow dude, so please clarify, for you a game is only challenging if an events makes you have to be online 24/7 for 4 days in order to achieve the final prize????

[Captain Buck Slayer]

Who cares, KA is screwed anyway!

[Ryosaeba]

wow dude, so please clarify, for you a game is only challenging if an events makes you have to be online 24/7 for 4 days in order to achieve the final prize????

I'm assuming you're trying to be sarcastic like me? Seriously though, if you add up all the time you're actually on the game, it's really not that much. You get on, make my few hits, then get off and wait to regen. Unless you count the regen time as "playing" as well but I don't. I do other things like watch TV, talk to the old lady, or play other games.

The only thing that really takes time is war and raiding. But of course, raiding is optional and war time only happens once every 3 weeks. Even then most players get on, use their 4 hits then get off to regen.

If you're talking particularly about this event, I made 100 in 5 days. Here's my timings for this event during the tougher last few bosses:

I log in, go to Crossroads or make a trial kill to get boss to show. - Actual play time 1 minute at most.
I take 3 hits on boss and wait 1 minute so I can make 2 more hits. - Actual play time 2 minutes at most.
I then wait to regen waiting about 13 minutes and take 2 more hits. - Actual play time 1 minute at most. Repeat this until dead.
Total actual play time to kill a boss, 4-10 minutes at most.

I wait to regen for about 40-50 minutes and repeat the above to kill another boss. During this time, I may make a few kills for trials and that will take a few minutes, maybe 5 or so before I have to regen my energy.

I guess it may seem like 24/7 since you need to get on every 12-15 minutes but I'm able to multi task easily so I don't feel the regen times are actually play times since I'm always doing other stuff.

[truthteller]

I'm assuming you're trying to be sarcastic like me? Seriously though, if you add up all the time you're actually on the game, it's really not that much. You get on, make my few hits, then get off and wait to regen. Unless you count the regen time as "playing" as well but I don't. I do other things like watch TV, talk to the old lady, or play other games.

The only thing that really takes time is war and raiding. But of course, raiding is optional and war time only happens once every 3 weeks. Even then most players get on, use their 4 hits then get off to regen.

If you're talking particularly about this event, I made 100 in 5 days. Here's my timings for this event during the tougher last few bosses:

I log in, go to Crossroads or make a trial kill to get boss to show. - Actual play time 1 minute at most.
I take 3 hits on boss and wait 1 minute so I can make 2 more hits. - Actual play time 2 minutes at most.
I then wait to regen waiting about 13 minutes and take 2 more hits. - Actual play time 1 minute at most. Repeat this until dead.
Total actual play time to kill a boss, 4-10 minutes at most.

I wait to regen for about 40-50 minutes and repeat the above to kill another boss. During this time, I may make a few kills for trials and that will take a few minutes, maybe 5 or so before I have to regen my energy.

I guess it may seem like 24/7 since you need to get on every 12-15 minutes but I'm able to multi task easily so I don't feel the regen times are actually play times since I'm always doing other stuff.

Ok, so,you are one that apparently does not work for a living, nor has to support a family or pay a mortgage seems you apparently have so much free time

you also seem to say that you do not finish EB up to boss 100 or the legendary, since you are saying it takes you 13 minutes to REGEN for two hits, and if your damage on EB is let's say 750 like most with high equipment, you still need 11 gold hits and 2 free hits to kill a level 100 boss, so with your REGEN of 13 minutes for 2 hits,me hich means you need 91 minutes (at least) to kills each level 100 boss, there are a total of 36 level 100 bosses times 1:31 hours per kills equals 54 hours just to kills the 36 level 100 based on your REGEN time, that is 2 days and 6 hours, and let's assume you need your 8 hour beauty sleep, we add 16 more hours, so total to kill the 36 level 100 is basically 3 days playing non stops every 13 minutes to make your 2 hits in between REGEN time and of course your 2 sets of beauty sleep, and then let's say it only takes you 1 day to make it pass bosses 1 to 99 (including your 8 hours beauty sleep) is a total of 4 days, so "yes" you have "2" days to shuffle around and "slow" on EB killings...........of course you have to set your timer for every 13 minutes for three days unless you spend gems or have lots of health packs

I use to kill the level 100 with 8 gold kills, and now takes me 15 hits, so it is possible to finish it for free, if you have a great REGEN time, still you need to puts lots of hours (even if you set a timer every 13 or 7 minutes)

[Lord Vyper]

Most of the players that spend money on this game are business owners or successful professionals in their profession...busy people with no time spend on some stupid boss event that takes 5 days to complete. Most of us used gems because we wanted to complete events early so we can go back to doing what we what we do best...making money.

So just to understand it.... You spend money for a game to avoid playing it?? This is a strange concept for me... (sorry.. this had to be )

[Ryosaeba]

Ok, so,you are one that apparently does not work for a living, nor has to support a family or pay a mortgage seems you apparently have so much free time

you also seem to say that you do not finish EB up to boss 100 or the legendary, since you are saying it takes you 13 minutes to REGEN for two hits, and if your damage on EB is let's say 750 like most with high equipment, you still need 11 gold hits and 2 free hits to kill a level 100 boss, so with your REGEN of 13 minutes for 2 hits,me hich means you need 91 minutes (at least) to kills each level 100 boss, there are a total of 36 level 100 bosses times 1:31 hours per kills equals 54 hours just to kills the 36 level 100 based on your REGEN time, that is 2 days and 6 hours, and let's assume you need your 8 hour beauty sleep, we add 16 more hours, so total to kill the 36 level 100 is basically 3 days playing non stops every 13 minutes to make your 2 hits in between REGEN time and of course your 2 sets of beauty sleep, and then let's say it only takes you 1 day to make it pass bosses 1 to 99 (including your 8 hours beauty sleep) is a total of 4 days, so "yes" you have "2" days to shuffle around and "slow" on EB killings...........of course you have to set your timer for every 13 minutes for three days unless you spend gems or have lots of health packs

I use to kill the level 100 with 8 gold kills, and now takes me 15 hits, so it is possible to finish it for free, if you have a great REGEN time, still you need to puts lots of hours (even if you set a timer every 13 or 7 minutes)

I only did up to L100 and did not care about legendary because of XP. I'm only a L152 and do watch my XP. Also, you didn't account for the free potions that gets dropped. I used some of those to help me finish faster. The reason it took 5 days is because I sleep and eat and work and social and do other stuff.

This game has never been about how long you can stay on but how often you can get on. It's been this way since the beginning. It's just been intensified now.

Put it this way, if you were Gree, would you keep an event going that doesn't make ANY money? Yes, you spend before and build up your character. So does that mean Gree should forgo future earning? That is really bad business for them. You're suppose to spend money. Lots of it to finish events fast and be top dog. That's the way this game is designed from the beginning. If I wanted to finish legendary, I would of needed to spend some potions/gems. But I'm the kind that don't need to finish every single event and am OK with being an un-elite.

Personally, I think this has become a better game then when it started (I was playing before guilds started). It's more challenging and more quests are finish-able without spending. It's actually motivating to play.

And please don't assume anything regarding my personal life. I own my own business and I work at home. I have a wife and no debt except a mortgage.

I'm sure this isn't the "final" say on EB or any event. Most likely, tweaks will still be made but don't hope for a free ride just because you spend before. The game model is to keep you spending.

[Ryosaeba]

So just to understand it.... You spend money for a game to avoid playing it?? This is a strange concept for me... (sorry.. this had to be )

I wish I can +1 on here...

[Jomama1]

Did you spend money - or are you just happy that you are now the same as those that did? The idea is if you spend money you get better. Quite simple really.


Gree's business model depends on those believing this.

[Lord Vyper]

Did you spend money - or are you just happy that you are now the same as those that did? The idea is if you spend money you get better. Quite simple really.

I did and do
And the concept is play for free - pay to win.... not pay once to win forever...

[the_bob]

Why is anyone arguing with Ryosaeba, anyway? He's clearly Gree's newest forum shill.

[truthteller]

Why is anyone arguing with Ryosaeba, anyway? He's clearly Gree's newest forum shill.

You are wrong my friend, he is just one "happy" "free" customer