[Updated] Official 11+ Movement Thread

[Sol Invictus]

You could place top 100 on free energy, if every member participated very well AND top 100 guilds didn't get matched with top 20 guilds and their major gemspenders.

People in the top of the top don't seem to understand what it's like out on the fringe and beyond. My guild, for instance, has about 10 solid gemspenders who could throw down a few hundred gems per war. We can't compete with the top 20. We get matched up with them and we'll get maybe 10-20k points and no bonus. But if we gem matched with a comparable guild, we can post 30-80k or more.

Just because we spend a collective few hundred bucks, and not a few thousand, doesn't mean we shouldn't get better rewards. An EB+ we got for free two months ago is an insult.

[busteroaf]

So, you have 10 or so people that can throw down a couple hundred gems per war. Sounds to me like you have a 10 spenders and 30 f2p'ers. If you paired up with 30 other spenders, you easily could compete with top 20 and the rewards could be a little better for you. Or your guild isn't participating well, meeting minimums etc. That is a you/your guild problem, not a game problem. You need to find a better group of people more committed to winning. You can't do well against other top tier guilds, or when you get paired against top 20 guilds. Well guess what? You DON'T DESERVE TO BE TOP TIER THEN! You deserve to be where you are.

I have been on the fringe. I can remember multiple battles playing with different Rainbow guilds where we easily could have won vs. similar level guilds, but we were either outnumbered, or people simply gave up. I can remember battles with Centurions, Bad Touch, Kohona, Untouchables, DPA and many more. Did we deserve to win in those cases? Hell no. They played better, gemmed more, and our guild gave up. Could we have won? If people tried, yes. Did our guild save up more gems for strip battles and still end up top 10? Luckily, yes. Was I happy about the way we won. Honestly, no. God, if only you could see the Line chat logs of those wars, you would think I hated the guild I was in. If you have to depend on last minute strip battles to win, you don't deserve to win, period. I've always held that opinion. That is why I hate the fact you can still strip, and match up with whoever you want to as long as you know what you are doing. This was a big reason as to why I quit. Too few people had the mindset of "go hard or go home" and instead had the "lets wait until the end and get a friendly match and score big points." F that. Rigging the game makes it 100x less fun. If you can't win or hold your own against your peers, guess what, they aren't your peers, and you don't deserve to win.

You want to have a laid back, casual, non-gem committed guild, but then want better rewards based on a few people who decide to spend. You really can't do both. That is like in WoW, saying "sure, we'll have a progression raid group for current content, but you can just show up whenever, no biggie." It doesn't work. You need committed people, willing to invest the time and effort necessary to get the job done. 10 spenders and 30 f2p'ers aren't tipping the scale. Get over it.

Its like the person that said they score 500k points per war, but yet they weren't competing with DK, or on their level. If you, as a player, are spending enough to score 500k points, and your guild isn't top 10, you're in the wrong guild. Plain and simple. Getting 40 like minded people together, that is when you make waves. 40x500k = 20 mil. 20 mil = Top 5 anywhere, if not Top 2. That is a statement.

[09cobaltss]

Buster what better rewards would you get from top 25 than top 100? That is the whole point. And for someone who is retired from the game you still seem to care an awful lot about what happens

[09cobaltss]

See these rewards gree? Why spend when we can get better stuff for free. The EB+ armors are 350/150 better than war rewards

[leems]

doesnt look like youve been heard or even considered, 11+ is still outdated EB+, some boosts, and a single prince key o.O well i guess Ill sit back and watch you all let drop your wallets further solidifying why Gree shouldnt change a thing........for the 11+

[Sol Invictus]

Aaaannnnnddddd....we get Blackfrost as an 11+ reward AGAIN.
It wasn't good three or four months ago when they last used it as a war reward, and it's even worse now.

Herein lies the problem.

[Calinsimonico]

I support the 11+ Movement !

Guys with only 3 gemmers , full guild activity and good tactic our guild get verry clouse to top 25. Yes we was in top 50 and more that 1 time. But why to be so active ? For what to spend our money ? I will have same 4*+ gear even if will get in top 10000 , beat the lv 60 EB anyhaw , have same missions on map ... so , why to try so hard ? The difference betwin top10 and the rest is abbisal. Not even with heavy gemming from all 40 members of the guild will NOT be possible EVER to beat DK or other top 10 guids. Gear is far too strong and we can't match that. We NEED better rewards to give us a hope for better and a hand to get it. A MOTIVATION !
Why don't GREE put a rule like : The top 3 of a war can't get in top 50 of next war indiferent of points they do ? or at least out of top 25 !
Increase the % of chest for epics. 2 times i open 40 and get only 2*,3* crap (1 was on winter chest x5 WTF !!! ). Absolutly i will NOT open chests again until sistem change !!!
I'm not surprize many from the old vets leave this game.

[09cobaltss]

doesnt look like youve been heard or even considered, 11+ is still outdated EB+, some boosts, and a single prince key o.O well i guess Ill sit back and watch you all let drop your wallets further solidifying why Gree shouldnt change a thing........for the 11+

I'm going to assume since we were contacting them today it's a lil hard to expect anything today. I can tell by your replies to this thread that you are not in the group chat and therefore have no idea what we are trying to do

[The Pale Rider]

Hit the nail on the head with the GM topic. One spoils it for the whole bunch, and that one has already happened, so why would they then give GM's even more power to screw people over?

Better rewards, we all want. But stop saying people pay good money for 11-100. Guilds placing in top 100 is laughable at best, as many can do that through free energy alone. Sure, the rewards could be better, but those that do spend, aren't breaking any banks to place top 100, that is for sure. Yes, come back with the reasoning that "if the rewards were better, they would spend more..." Yeah, and I can also tell you that I'll do a better job if I get a raise first. That isn't how it works. You put in the work first, then get the rewards, not the other way around.

Kingdom expansion, new areas... my only true concern with this is how will they approach it. Obviously increasing the difficulty, and then the craftable rewards would have to be better than currently craftable 3* armors. But, how far do they go? Are we talking on par with epic bosses? 6 Month ago bosses? How much of a step forward will that cause for the stat creep? And to touch on the poll, it should have been plainly obvious that said poll Elita posted was just in response to people saying "can we consolidate things and get a poll going", nothing more. There was never speak of "whichever gets the most votes will be acted upon" yet people seem to think otherwise.

Not up to your usual reasoning standards. The analogy with a raise is terrible. If you told your workers whoever works the hardest this month gets a raise -- thats analogous. What we have now is a hope that people will work harder even though their pay gets worse every month and you go further and say, you shouldn't complain about it if you don't work harder first. Remind me never to work for you.

Inherent in a thread posted by a game admin or developer suggesting new content ideas is the suggestion that one or more might be implemented.

Agree the expansion is a black hole in terms of details.

[09cobaltss]

Maybe if more people asked to be in the group to see we are using multiple different tactics it would help the naysayers understand

[The Pale Rider]

Maybe if more people asked to be in the group to see we are using multiple different tactics it would help the naysayers understand

Ignore the naysayers, they exist but to say nay and offer nothing of value. They would only annoy you in your group chat.

[Slayer 1]

ROFLMAO!!! (*wiping away tears*)

Oh, this is PRECIOUS. All the 'Daddy loves ME best" ; "We're #1 and always will be", "I don't have an ego - YOU have an ego!". Endless humor.

We support:
* Better rewards for top 50 guilds in war (the incentive to Gree is what? You're going to spend out the Wazoo this war for something you already have)
* New map levels - (eh, if it's in the dev budget sure. Otherwise - nah. App lifecycle is too short)
* GM ability to kick leechers without reward. (Propensity for abuse is high. Yeah, I know what your oing to say - save it)
* Additional things to do for level 100+ (such as? Want a condo?)
* HC only to have declare ability. (GM's will be very upset)
* Additional LT quests to be added. (again with expensive development? Why? You already get wars. Be happy with that)
* Hacking prevention and stricter checks (Define 'hacking'. Trust me, we're PCI compliant - and that's all that *really* matters)

Watching the know-it-all-ego's tout their superiority in all things is also deliciously wonderful.

Here this, Minions:

- nothing will change - and you'll like it
- we'll offer the same crap as always and you'll spend a ransom for it, because God knows someone ELSE can't get it!
- nothing will change unless already planned for.


....end of line.

[The Pale Rider]

Slayer + naysayer = nayslayer

[infliction]

When you have at least one GM scamming a member out of their account when they tried to trade through binding, which has happened, then the whole idea of GMs being able to arbitrarily and unilaterally withhold war rewards from players becomes such a clearly bad idea that it shouldn't even have to be discussed.

You're putting the power in the leecher's hand, which is worse than putting it in the hands of the GM. At the very least, the GM has no personal profit motivation to deny rewards. If anything, it hurts him, because he'll lose valuable contributing members if he denies them their reward. The leecher, on the other hand, has everything to gain by leeching.

The difference between account trade scamming is that the person doing the scamming gets rewarded with a better account. What does the GM gain if he denies a reward? I get that there will still be a small number of GMs that abuse the power, but it'll be way better than leaving the power in the hands of leechers. For anyone who argues for leechers, I can only imagine why...

[infliction]

As for most top10 guilds not spending is not an option we have to find other ways to accomplish these things we want. I for one am happy mikie took the kead on contacting gree and i support him doing that. Please stop bragging about your superduper guild being so cool and having so many epics and gems and still arent complaining to gree. Just shows you dont give a crap about this games longterm survival. Go write a blog about hwo much more gems you spend than majestic and see who cares.

Ouch, you wound me. I'll get on that blog right away.

Just to recap, so that I present your points accurately on my blog:

You and your guild won't stop spending, even though you don't like the reward structure. For some unknown reason, it's impossible. Almost like a strong gravitational pull that takes your money into the hands of GREE.

You want change, but the most you'll do is rate the game a 1 star and prevent people from joining. You'll follow Mikie's lead, who in turn will do nothing but rate the game a 1 star.

You don't like it when people spend more, score more, and are cooler than you, unless they're quiet about it.

You think blogs are stupid and you like kangaroos. Did I miss anything?

My blog is going to go viral!