Is using a computer to play Crime City for you considered cheating?

[The Otter]

[QUOTE=offline04;1231380]As an outsider I have to disagree with you. You call somebody who questions the method of winning a poor loser! Don't think that's right to do, and more so you put more oil in the fire with your statement using a new created account, btw. Why didn't you use your regular account which you probably have? Scared!?!? Why, cause you are the one, or you did use it too?

You aren't an outsider. And I don't have another account. I made this because the guy you are slandering is a good and honest friend who deserves to be defended from the misrepresentations in this thread. I was actually one who thought SAS got an unfair rap as dishonest people as I thought they were simply worthy competition. But I think now I was wrong.

[PedroPimples]

Automation devices can be used for many different things, if being used for one, why not another?
This thread is nothing to do with SAS for a change. I've probably been SAS harshest critic since syndicates was first started. Was in a rivalry with them from the very start. Have called them out numerous times for many different things.
Slandering? It's a thread started to ask honest questions about what people feel about his use of this type of device. There is no slander involved. Does this player need your protection? Have no mouth of his own?
Ever heard the saying "thou doth protest to much"

[The Otter]

This thread was started by SAS and aimed at a specific player accusing him of things he doesn't do. Pedro you yourself are conflating auto clicking on a mouse with bot software that collects and robs and does everything else. It doesn't matter if you're in on it or a pawn. I'm just setting the record straight. If you want to specifically debate whether the auto click function on a mouse is unfair than that's fine. If you want to talk about bots and macros than I agree it is cheating and should be eliminated. But these are not the same thing and the latter has never and will never be condoned at TAW.

[CJ54]

No offence here cj. But that edit makes it sound like it's at your discretion, meaning in your best interests. If he uses it as a big gold spender to get a massive amount of taps in fine, if I use it to collect all my buildings on time would it still be fine? I don't quite understand how you can pick and choose when to follow your own ToS. They either are the rules or they aren't. Not one rule for one and one for another.

No, that's not what I meant, it isn't about gold spent. As I said, if somebody has a specific case, they need to actually send support a *game name* so that we can check it out.

I meant two things by that. One is just that we're the arbiters of whether there has been a TOS violation, we do enforce it equally but *not on the whim of the forums*. Everyone in here saying there's been a TOS violation (or even someone saying "Yeah, a guy on my team was doing X") does not equate to a TOS violation until we see actual evidence with our own eyes and make a decision based on that actual evidence.

Also, this kind of thing has to be at our discretion because not every case is going to be the same. As an example I heard about recently, something came up in another game (not one of ours) involving an automation that started out as an accessibility aid. Specifically, the person in question couldn't use their hands, and used a computer program to interact with the game via voice commands, some of which could be queued such as "do this action X times". Would that guy, in our game, technically be breaking the TOS? Maybe. Would it be the *right* thing to do to ban his theoretical account? Depends on what he was actually doing, but not just because he had a voice command thing he was using because he didn't have another way to play. If he's cheating, he's cheating. In our case, we would make that call based on evidence obtained from looking at server records.

Does that make more sense?

[montecore]

Cliffs notes: TAW uses third party software in violation of the terms of service. Since it is TAW, Gree doesn't care. TAW members join the thread to insist that they gain no advantage in using automated software and openly admit violating the game rules.

[Flapjacks]

This thread was started by SAS and aimed at a specific player accusing him of things he doesn't do. Pedro you yourself are conflating auto clicking on a mouse with bot software that collects and robs and does everything else. It doesn't matter if you're in on it or a pawn. I'm just setting the record straight. If you want to specifically debate whether the auto click function on a mouse is unfair than that's fine. If you want to talk about bots and macros than I agree it is cheating and should be eliminated. But these are not the same thing and the latter has never and will never be condoned at TAW.

This thread was started by SAS? At least now most people can see how you start lies, spread lies & eventually believe your own lies.

So who started this thread again?

[PedroPimples]

Yes cj that makes more sense. And fair enough. Some are used for reasons such as you stats and no I'd say not a ban then.
Others used for automation when it isn't a valid reason is a clear ToS violation.
Obviously we could t give you clear evidence other than breaking into his house and filming him doing it, really, i ain't going that far.
But there is his team mate admitting it and also a screenshot of him admitting it himself as well in chat.

Offer this thread was started by flapjacks, who says she isn't in SAS, in response to my comment on another thread. Neither of us are SAS affiliated, and neither of us get along.
You can try to soon this into SAS propaganda but it has nothing to do with them. If it wasn't for the fact a member of your own team thought it was wrong and distributed the pictures then you would've kept it secret.

[Flapjacks]

Cliffs notes: TAW uses third party software in violation of the terms of service. Since it is TAW, Gree doesn't care. TAW members join the thread to insist that they gain no advantage in using automated software and openly admit violating the game rules.

Then we shall all use 3rd party software. Apparently it's allowed to be used & openly talked about. I think 3rd party software will help most other syndicates in CC...even though it helps to "gain no advantage."

I suppose they use 3rd party software for no reason at all?

[PedroPimples]

For the record, I'm also against the use of intel bots.

[GASH 138]

There has been the droid time travel
Then the iOS gold hack
There was iOS job/building payout hacks
Let's not forget udid
There was the mafia hack by having lots of mafia you went invisible on rivals list
There have been several energy hacks on both platforms
The criminals stay one step ahead of the law... This is the nature of playing a competitive game, someone will always be looking for an edge and will exploit every opportunity they are given (google "baseball and steroids") I'm sure there are several accts that have used every cheat I mentioned and some I don't remember or never knew about. My advice is to take a long look in the mirror and ask yourself what you want out of life.. Is a fake sense of you believing your acct means anything in the grand scheme of the world worth your hard earned money? Get a damn BMW with the $700/month or whatever it is you spend. Coming from a guy who used to be on the gree needle there are 3 types of players anymore.. retired, noobs chasing the gree dragon and lvl 250s who have delusions of grandeur.. I haven't spent since November and I have let my stats fizzle out as I watch lvl 60s and 90s score off of my two year account that I had put about $8-$10k into. I'm just glad iTunes was nice enough to see things my way

[Keapa]

Just a comment re automation
If a player is using single click instead of double click
And it's in a map area if you hit a target 4- 5 times very quickly the game will automatically do those few hits. It doesn't do them any faster and is still subject to server lag. Does that qualify as cheating?

[Keapa]

What sort of score should one expect if any player was getting some sort of unfair advantage
What would you say if a player managed to get a million points in a hour?
Does that seem to be uncommonly productive?

[sister morphine]

Like CJ says it depends on circumstances. In the case of his theoretical handicapped player using voice commands my instinct would be its not cheating, any more than a family member playing under instruction from a terminally ill player would be (and we all know how many players there have been and are with terminal illnesses on these games.

A player using an automated mouse to deliver four free hits in war would also not be breaking ToS in my opinion, but one who maybe uses it to do hits, refill gold and repeat for an hour while they do something else unrelated to the game; that's something else entirely.

[Keapa]

I would have to agree. If a auto system could do those sort of selected actions and then there is the selection of the most appropriate opponent. It would be a shame if your auto mouse settled on a low level low stat player

[sister morphine]

I would have to agree. If a auto system could do those sort of selected actions and then there is the selection of the most appropriate opponent. It would be a shame if your auto mouse settled on a low level low stat player

I would imagine it would be done by script - the player carries out the actions and records them then the script takes over.