Mods: Question about Rivals List

[murf]

I've visited about 50 hoods on my level 250. And all stats have ranged from 8m to 12m. So it looks like relative strength dominates the new algorithm. Now when the next LTQ comes out and I'm thinking about whether to drop x amount of gold for the weapon + mod on offer, what is my incentive? If I gain 1mill in stats, my rival list will just comprise players with 9m-13m in stats.

My reaction to the new rivals list is to never spend gold again to improve my stats because now it's all relative, so you will always be average vs your competition.

Am I missing something?

[RealTeflonDon]

This is a moot concern. Unless you're the #1 player in CC I'd say there were always stronger players than you. I'm sure even the #1 is vulnerable to being attacked.

[murf]

Not a moot point at all. Big difference between 10% of your rivals being able to rob you and 100%. If I were to drop 2 vaults and increase my stats 1m. I'd probably protect myself against another 2-3% of my rivals. Now doesn't matter at all, still vulnerable to 100% of my opponents.

So then explain to me the point of building your stats, is it not to be relatively stronger then your competition?

Actually i'd argue its better to have weak stats now, because your rival list probably won't be the active players on CC. And you will rarely be attacked.

[RealTeflonDon]

If you're concerned about being attacked then you're playing the wrong game. Additionally, you don't know who's rival list you're showing up on. You don't know the percentage of time that you are showing up as the big dog or the little fish. The bottom line is that you were always vulnerable.

EDIT- imo, the point of building stats is to have better targets in war and perform better in boss events.

[murf]

So you build up stats to do better in war and boss events for what purpose?

To get weapons to build up stats to do better in war and boss events?

You really don't think stats should have an affect on whether you are stronger then your rivals during regular play?

[murf]

If you're concerned about being attacked then you're playing the wrong game. Additionally, you don't know who's rival list you're showing up on. You don't know the percentage of time that you are showing up as the big dog or the little fish. The bottom line is that you were always vulnerable.

Well, one thing I do know is that 100% of the rivals list I am now showing up on can rob me, before it was less then that (probably significantly less). And the other thing I now know is there is nothing I can do about that, no matter how much stronger I get, I will still to vulnerable to 100% of my rivals (short of joining FC/Art of War).

So, to me the answer is simple, there is now no need to spend gold to improve my stats, because I will always be average.

[RealTeflonDon]

No, I don't. I got robbed regardless, despite having okay stats for my level. As I'm sure everyone else with a respectable IPH did/does...

No matter what, you were and have always been vulnerable. You can try and guess percentages of who could hit you and who couldn't- irrelevant.

Collect diligently, problem solved.

[jmeijer]

Well, one thing I do know is that 100% of the rivals list I am now showing up on can rob me, before it was less then that (probably significantly less). And the other thing I now know is there is nothing I can do about that, no matter how much stronger I get, I will still to vulnerable to 100% of my rivals.

So, to me the answer is simple, there is now no need to spend gold to improve my stats, because I will always be average.

You're exactly right. No need to spend gold anymore. Good for my wallet! I never expected Gree to become less greedy and to give us a free game to play, but they did!

[RealTeflonDon]

If you guys were spending vaults so that another 1/2% of people who's rival list you showed up on couldn't hit you, then you were doing it wrong.

[murf]

If you guys were spending vaults so that another 1/2% of people who's rival list you showed up on couldn't hit you, then you were doing it wrong.

Haha...I don't spend vault after vault.

look at my mid-level accounts....L147-7m stats, L79-6m stats...especially the mini, I've spent just enough gold to make sure that account is a top 1% account. Now it's average. You really think I'm ever spending another dime on that account to improve my stats?

And you still haven't answered what the reason for improving your stats is?

[Sammo the Kid]

I can now rob and be robbed by 100% of my rival list. I do see some better hoods than before but what's the point. We just keep robbing from each other ad nauseum.

Stupid change.

[RealTeflonDon]

I already answered that above.

Yes, its redundant, but this game has been redundant since its inception. Make numbers bigger. Your misconception of being bulletproof is laughable though as you never were to begin with. Again, you can guess percentages but you still got hit, didnt you..

[murf]

I already answered that above.

Yes, its redundant, but this game has been redundant since its inception. Make numbers bigger. Your misconception of being bulletproof is laughable though as you never were to begin with. Again, you can guess percentages but you still got hit, didnt you..

And I never said I was bulletproof, and I actually said maybe 50% of my rivals couldn't touch me, that's a bit different. But my time spent on events and my gold spending is the difference between my L250 account having 2m in stats and 10m in stats. Before that mattered, as I could easily attack and rob, and actually fight off some attacks and robs. Now those 2 levels of stats are the same, they are both average vs their rival lists.

My 2nd and 3rd accounts haven't been robbed in weeks. Especially my 3rd account, it's a top 1% account and this change just made it average....

And on my main account of course I got hit. But case in point, last night my L10/L8 NCs stayed untouched for 4 hours and my L7/L7 NIS staying untouched for 2 hours last night while I slept. No chance of that happening now.

[murf]

Again, you can guess percentages but you still got hit, didnt you..

You also say you can guess percentages, and you make it sound like 2m stats and 20m stats are the same, because you can still get robbed and you don't know the "percentages", you really don't see the difference or are you just arguing to argue at this point?

[RealTeflonDon]

I see the difference in the rival list and I see that being robbed irritates you because you put money into your stats. Being robbed is part of the game, welcome back.