Rivals List

[OneHoop]

This has got to be the worst!

The original idea behind the robberies has been to get people to spend gold to make the robberies stop, but under the new rivals list system if we get stronger then just get robbed by stronger people. You take a situation where maybe 3 people on my rivals list can rob me to where everyone on my rivals list can rob me. This favors those who have lower IPH, but those are also the players who have less time invested in the game and are therefore less loyal to the game. You've got to think about the cost of customer acquisition in situations like this!

Now with less to lose,
M@


PS I knew that I had no chance at being the strongest character in the game but figured that I could still gave fun as long as I stayed below the shark tank but the beta multi-shark-tank has shown me that there is nowhere to hide.

[Cobra Shuttle]

Well cobra, why do you think that would be worse? Please, shoot me some specific details instead of just "well that sucks". I might be able to change your mind XD

I mean it's pretty obvious isn't it? Besides what everyone has already said think about it this way. You are starting the game and a low level and you go to your rivals list and now you have to sort and check through a ton of people to find one you can rob or attack because you probably could only attack a small percent of the total player base at that point. That would make doing your thug life challenges and other goals incredibly frustrating. And then on top of that you'll constantly get pounded by everyone else looking for easy wins.

Then take someone who is near 250. Now they have to sort through everyone who is way below their level to find someone worth attacking for their goals or to rob. Before you just had people around your level and that was already hard enough for a lot of players. It will be so frustrating that it won't be worth anyone's time to attack or rob anyone because you just drastically increased the amount of **** players you have to filter through.

[Guisseppe17]

I mean it's pretty obvious isn't it? Besides what everyone has already said think about it this way. You are starting the game and a low level and you go to your rivals list and now you have to sort and check through a ton of people to find one you can rob or attack because you probably could only attack a small percent of the total player base at that point. That would make doing your thug life challenges and other goals incredibly frustrating. And then on top of that you'll constantly get pounded by everyone else looking for easy wins.

Then take someone who is near 250. Now they have to sort through everyone who is way below their level to find someone worth attacking for their goals or to rob. Before you just had people around your level and that was already hard enough for a lot of players. It will be so frustrating that it won't be worth anyone's time to attack or rob anyone because you just drastically increased the amount of **** players you have to filter through.

Level 250's shouldn't have that hard of a time finding a good target to rob, there are plenty of people at all levels with good IPH's. But I didn't consider new players. Hmm...maybe make players reach a certain level or attack stat before changing over to the random rivals list? Or better yet, give players the option of searching for targets at their level (+ or -1 of course) or if they choose, through the entire player base?

[Ciara]

Dear Developers,

So the rivals' list is "out of whack"? You don't say! So as a result of Gree's own stats inflation, HLPs are going to get shafted again? I don't have a great iph, as I was never a camper, and I am only a very average player, but I sympathise with those who have worked to build an economy.

(I have never had much time for campers as they bring an inertia into the game and more often than not camp to be the sharks in their own little tank.) So recent changes to encourage activity have been good for game dynamics, but this latest change is disproportionately unfair on HLPs and MLPs yet again, precisely because of the stats inflation.

We have a bunch of players in-game now with a string of insanely strong LLP minis who have taken over the battles because of the inability of HLPs to score off them and now Gree rewards these players even more by giving them the chance to rob blind HLPs who've taken the time to build an economy. Those HLPs will get nothing from robbing back, so I thoughly endorse the suggestions that

1) you make defense buildings and def skill points worth something, which would compensate long time players who have invested time in their strategy and also HLPs who will, by dint of being active, have earned the skill points to invest; and

2) if you're going to bracket rivals according to strength, then some weighting should be applied within the matching criteria to iph so that like can attack like, which might decrease the size of our rival list marginally but would restore some sense of balance.

Yes, it is Crime City, with all that implies about robbing/attacking, but it is also a game, which by definition should be enjoyable, and this doesn't sound enjoyable to any but leeches who have profited off the stat inflation and syndi-hopping but not taken time to acquire their own hood or earn skill points, which is supposed to be the other side to the game.

The game should remain accessible to those who choose different game strategies. Unless you want one type of player only, in which case only the new accounts might as well continue playing; the rest of us should retire now, as the game will become even more one-dimensional.

[Peppers]

I'm leaving my buildings robbed until Gree gets their heads out of their butts.

There are very few people to rob at my level. Believe me, I've looked. So, I'm now a target to a number of L250's... Great. Wonderful. %^&*. But, I still have very very few targets.

If you're going to open up the list in this way, make is a TWO WAY STREET! I'd love to be able to search my rivals list for people with only good stats... because they're more likely to have a good IPH. If you're serving me up on a platter to a select few, GIVE ME THE SAME CHANCE. Until then, the buffet is over.

[The Lurker]

We are striving to make the matches worthy of the name "Rival" and therefore make the experience more fair and engaging for everyone involved.

A new matching system which attempts to take a more accurate approach to rivalry has rolled out to a small percentage of players at random. It's not client platform or version specific.

We will continue to monitor the health and quality of the system via raw data and player feedback while tuning it and rolling it out to more players as confidence levels increase. Your feedback is welcomed and encouraged during this process.

If you haven't made it to the new system and get attacked by someone who has, get up in there and hit 'em back because you're probably on nearly equal footing.

So I no longer have a reason to buy gold and keep up with stat inflation since you will continue to feed my rival list with people that have similar stats? Ha ha ha, who came up with this winning concept? Buy them a drink from me.

All the people whining about the gold spend can take it down a notch and play your own game Gree no longer wants your money so bad.

[Pitbulls]

Give it to all or none at all.

[Trinity_1985]

Looks like it's time to delete all my buildings and then start robbing like crazed fool

[CitrineMondeoRSi]

So I no longer have a reason to buy gold and keep up with stat inflation since you will continue to feed my rival list with people that have similar stats? Ha ha ha, who came up with this winning concept?

^this

What's the point in becoming stronger when the rivals list is all equal? A level playing field would be a completely open rivals list. What they've done here is create channels in which no one player has any kind of advantage or disadvantage. That's not a game. A game should have a sense of competitiveness and victory. What's competitive about being herded into a pool of equals? What's victorious about winning a rob/attack against a mirror image of your own character? Boring.

All Gree now need to do is rename the Rivals List to "Easy targets handed to you on a plate" and the news feed to "List of people that can't be bothered to build their own economy" and their work is done. All the strategy is now gone. Literally all of it.

In fact, while they're at it, they should change the name of the game to "Tap random buttons because none of it matters anymore"

[Gato blanca]

Dears, this game is full of moving targets. This kind of rivals lists fits in there perfectly.

But I Agree That before, you were still given the idea you could outrun the other people. Now That idea is completely gone.

The good thing is That it still allows people That have no clue About the game to continue to have fun in the game. Otherwise they find they can no longer rob or fight.
But it punishes against the people who played it smart.

I Guess gree made the calculations and found That a lot of little spenders like That outweight the fewer Higher spenders. Cc after fight club I would say....

[Auxilium]

I didn't get robbed anymore since they implemented this. It looks like it that everyone is scared for retaliation.

[GucciMane]

First, tier camping (statgain DIVIDED BY experiencegain , as a measure) was removed from the game as a point of strategy.

Now, building IPH and hood growth (if this is fully implemented) will be removed as well as a point of strategy. I'm not going to be able to play these LTB events anymore because some Top 10 player, significantly higher leveled as well, who gave 0 ****s about his hood can rob mine to buy LTB upgrades.....then just sell the LTB off and start up with the next LTB.

This is already how a LOT of players play LTBs now....they don't keep them. They just sell to start paying off the *next* one. People who actually planned their hoods and continued building ALWAYS beat these players in stat gain, and they deserved to.

I used to think selling off buildings was a cop-out, but this might actually seem a good strategy.


The only thing you really have LEFT for ANY bearing of skill/work/strategy is Syndicate Wars.



You are almost ONE step away from this game becoming straight-up "Pay to Click"

[Asto]

I'm loving it. Lvl 42 with no LTB and I can hit lvl 200+ with lvl 4 casinos. I've gone from 9mil to 25mil in my bank in just 40 minutes

[GucciMane]

Here's how I'm going to play your little update GREE.


If a building gets robbed by a player in my level range. I will collect it. No complaints, this is how the game has always worked and it works.


The second it gets robbed by someone out of my range, it will go uncollected until this update is rolled back.

I'm loving it. Lvl 42 with no LTB and I can hit lvl 200+ with lvl 4 casinos. I've gone from 9mil to 25mil in my bank in just 40 minutes

For reference, when did you start the level 39 account?


....no response.....typical.

[Steve1302]

how about instead of a rivals list full of people around your stats make it rivals around you IPH ? i dont mind getting robbed from lower or higher levels if i have a chance of robbing some money back