Fuzing Armors Results Thread

[c-rule]

So i have 2 moontide, 2 sky guardian, 2 ancient armors +, clayplate, wicked wraith + , storm scorcerer + ,

[paganizer]

coming back into the topic I studied the list of armors.
Excluding the scamming DPC (if you get something with the gold keys given by upgrading level from time to time and from epic bosses, it's a good thing, otherwise forget it, don't waste real money, there seems to be only monks vestment there, a pretty useless and gay-looking armor) the fusion can be helpful for 2 things:

1) getting a very strong armor, better than the "bigger4" (Roc, Swamp and so on)
2) fusing some basics into 2 stars armors for enhancing other armors after 50th level

Let's discuss about the point number 1
since moontide and aegis are not fusable and since the armor given are all non+, the best you can find is a normal armor. So the best you can find is:

1) Combustion Air/Fire
2) Clayplate Water/Earth
3) Guardian's Sprit/earth
4) Tempered Fire/Earth
5) Blackfrost Water/Spirit

all of them are better that the Infernal+ and than the average epic boss armor+

Boilerplate (non+),
Flamehunters (non+),
Sky Guardian (non+),
Storm sorcerer (non+)

are good, especially if you cannot get the level 43 of the epic boss (like me) but if you can get level 43 are not really that Important, their (non+) is worse than the epic+ with same colors usually

you can get just working hard in the storyline the bigger4+
Armor of the Infernal Lord + Fire/Earth 1,025 1,050
Dark Prince's Royal Armor + Fire/Spirit 1,120 899
Swamp Shaman Robes + Water/Earth 816 1,120
Rocfeather Robes + Spirit/Air 982 899

somewhere close to the bigger4 (but slightly less) there are the basic versions of the Epic, reachable at level 15 of Epic Boss like, and if you get the bigger 4 surely you can get them:
Boreas non+ (Air/water better than Atlantean)
Eurus non+ (good water/spirit one)
Tortoiseshell non+ (Air/Earth better than Crius)
Jian non+ (Fire/Water better than Hydra)
Mantle of the beast non+ (good Spirit/earth one)

in few words, in the worst case scenario, without fusing anything, and without trusting DPC, you can cover the 10 combinations with an armor on the level of the bigger 4 (more or less)

Since seems to be irrelevant which of the 2 colors is on the top and which is on the bottom (if someone knows better please tell) we have 10 combinations:
Air/Water
Air/Earth
Air/Spirit (Roc+)
Air/Fire
Water/Earth (Swamp+)
Water/Spirit
Water/Fire
Earth/Spirit
Earth/Fire (Infernal+)
Spirit/Fire (DP+)

the last word is about the Kaleidoscopic, if the white one it's not really a big big deal.
Besides if you get it through the fusion you are not going (I guess but I could be wrong) to get the quest done.
The only way is to find in the chest 70 starmetal fragments and craft it (this is my understanding)

The black Kaleidoscopic seems to be non fusable like moontide and aegis correct?

for the second point I will open a new thread, I guess is worth

the rest is absolutely unnecessary, so if you can get with fusion the armors mentioned it's a good deal, otherwise is a waste of money.

PS is there any other use for the fusion stone apart fusing 2 armors?

I currently got big4 and working on SS+ and have infernal+ coming up soon.

I got the latest 4 boss armors available, which im not gonna upgrade, since + versions are not possible for me. Would it be worth trying to fuse them for:
1) Combustion Air/Fire
2) Clayplate Water/Earth
3) Guardian's Sprit/earth
4) Tempered Fire/Earth
5) Blackfrost Water/Spirit

Or would they be better used for just enhancing? I know fusing is random, so nothing garanteed, but seems like a decent way to get some good armor if chests are not an option..

[Nicco]

I currently got big4 and working on SS+ and have infernal+ coming up soon.

I got the latest 4 boss armors available, which im not gonna upgrade, since + versions are not possible for me. Would it be worth trying to fuse them for:
1) Combustion Air/Fire
2) Clayplate Water/Earth
3) Guardian's Sprit/earth
4) Tempered Fire/Earth
5) Blackfrost Water/Spirit

Or would they be better used for just enhancing? I know fusing is random, so nothing garanteed, but seems like a decent way to get some good armor if chests are not an option..

It's a risk, you could get some good armor, or you could wind up with half the amount of armor and gain nothing. But I figure I can always farm more snakeskin, whereas **** armor takes a lot more time to acquire, when my Slime armor is done crafting I'm going to fuse it with Notus.

[XBDMRRFPN]

I currently got big4 and working on SS+ and have infernal+ coming up soon.

I got the latest 4 boss armors available, which im not gonna upgrade, since + versions are not possible for me. Would it be worth trying to fuse them for:
1) Combustion Air/Fire
2) Clayplate Water/Earth
3) Guardian's Sprit/earth
4) Tempered Fire/Earth
5) Blackfrost Water/Spirit

Or would they be better used for just enhancing? I know fusing is random, so nothing garanteed, but seems like a decent way to get some good armor if chests are not an option..

I am working on some tables, but I can say few things already:

1) if you consider the money the thing to save, no fusion is convenient unless you are upgrading a moontide after 70th level (in case of matching elements)
2) there is a table of possible fusions that will give you always a non-craftable mono or 2 gold star. This means that when you use this armor to enhance your Infernal+ it will add you 50 points instead of the 24 of Snakeskin
3) if you are plenty of time and you have little money (like if you have few Training fields not completely upgraded), then just become, as almost everybody here, a snakeskin farmer
4) if you have 11 TF upgraded to the top and 3 armorsmith let's farm basics or uncommon and mix them in this ways only
- earth/fire
- air/fire
- air/spirit
- water/spirit

all elements are in there so you can produce easily with a fusion stone and 25000 gold any armor that when fused to enhance another one will give you 50 points. Getting the common and uncommon is easy, cheap (300 and 500) and quick (the commons 5 minutes the uncommons half an hour)

if you have developed all castle (so you should have good amount of gold), and you have a moontide for instance, don't bother in farming snakeskins go directly using your fusion stones and money

About what to put in the castle the maximum suggested is 11 TF, 1 cage (or 1 monster nest depending on how many times a day you connect), 2 armorsmith, everything at the top level, and of course the arena, fusion building ad the chest.
Someone got 4-5 armorsmiths, they repented after few times, because you have the armors but you don't have the money to fuse them. Money matters always and if you have IOS you can give extra money to the Guild and get boost armors... so better always having more money (like in the real life)

the good thing about fusing the basics and uncommons is that they usually give you the same 50 points for enhancing armors, but from time to time, if you are very lucky, you can get something much more interesting...
for instance if you fuse common or uncommon air/fire you get 99% of the times a flamestorm finery but that 1% you could get even a Combustion... and that would be a big story to tell.
Nobody is sure if enhancing the 2 armors to a certain level before fusing gives you more possibility to get a good a very good one, try and let us know.
Fusion gems don't grow on the trees, but if you fight a lot in the storyline you get some of them, and if you can get a good position in arena ora defeating the boss (much more difficult to get from there) you have them as prize.
Also with the keys you find or you get advancing levels you can get fusion gems (much harder to get a good armor, usually is a ** armor good only for enhancing others).

There is another possibility about fusions:
if you can get the mono color 4 stars like the Ruby Plate mail fusing them gives you a big possibility to get a very good one.

How to get them? I got the Ruby with ROC (lev 20) + Infernal (Lev 20)
I read somewhere that the picked color is the main of the second armor, the one on the right, but I am not sure of it.
So to get a Combustion (or having a chance to get) I should fuse 2 good armors the second of which have air as main element

but this is just a theory...

don't waste your time fusing rubbish armors worth 50 points like flamestorm finery and monks vestment unless you are like the guy that goes to casino, lost almost all money and wants to put the last coin in the slot machine...
The odds are more or less the same...

[deathexe]

Actually, with reference to the armor levelling spreadsheet, using 50 EP armors becomes more efficient from level 58-59 onwards, if snakeskin doesn't match any elements of the armor of course. Using snakeskin to get 200 EP, would mean enhancing 10 snakeskins (20ep each) that, assuming you're enhancing it at the cost at level 58, would total to 200k (170k enahancement cost, 30k for 10 snakeskins). On the other hand, using 50 EP armors would only cost 168k.

[Marco_]

These walls of text are better suited to a seperate topic. (call it "fusion theory" or something like that...)
The title of this topic is "Fuzing Armors Results", AKA: "I fused this armor and this armor and that armor was the result".
(Trivia: Moontide using only fusions == 9030/50 = 181 fusion stones. Ow, I collected only about 120 of those in a bit over a month... Still got 116 of them to be used for armors where Stonescale_lvl11 and Snakeskin aren't element matching.)

[XBDMRRFPN]

These walls of text are better suited to a seperate topic. (call it "fusion theory" or something like that...)
The title of this topic is "Fuzing Armors Results", AKA: "I fused this armor and this armor and that armor was the result".
(Trivia: Moontide using only fusions == 9030/50 = 181 fusion stones. Ow, I collected only about 120 of those in a bit over a month... Still got 116 of them to be used for armors where Stonescale_lvl11 and Snakeskin aren't element matching.)

I didn't calculate up to 99 of course...
it was just a generic suggestion to speed it up and use it as soon as possible, I didn't really meant that you can bring it easily to 99 just with fusion stones...
if you want to use it quickly you can get it growing faster with fusion stones (and you have to have a lot of gold as I said)

about the "wall of text" maybe I could open a new thread, but at the end of the day I just spoke about fusions answering a request, so I think I was in topic.

If we want to open a new thread about it we surely can anyway

[XBDMRRFPN]

Actually, with reference to the armor levelling spreadsheet, using 50 EP armors becomes more efficient from level 58-59 onwards, if snakeskin doesn't match any elements of the armor of course. Using snakeskin to get 200 EP, would mean enhancing 10 snakeskins (20ep each) that, assuming you're enhancing it at the cost at level 58, would total to 200k (170k enahancement cost, 30k for 10 snakeskins). On the other hand, using 50 EP armors would only cost 168k.

sure, you are right, I was talking about matching elements, the "non matching" will make surely better before the fusions

[deathexe]

sure, you are right, I was talking about matching elements, the "non matching" will make surely better before the fusions

For matching elements, you start to save gold from level 62-63 onwards too, but to a much less extent.

[XBDMRRFPN]

For matching elements, you start to save gold from level 62-63 onwards too, but to a much less extent.

are you sure?
I believe we could make a table for it what do you think?

[littlefishxbj]

storm kings finery + ruby plate mail = combustion armor

its really retarded though that you cant get + versions with fusing.
they should somehow implement a way to get + versions without using dpcs... the droprate is soooooooooo low, that your game will lag to infinity and beyond from having 5k+ armors before you get one of the top armors in + version.

my game already started to lag really badly when i had about 400 armors from using dpcs and it takes ages to get rid of the ****load of armors since you cant just delete them or anything.

How do you store 400 armors, the armor slot alow only 50?
thanks.

[KTran2013]

How do you store 400 armors, the armor slot alow only 50?
thanks.

As he stated, from using Dark Prince Chests.
You can have any amount of armors in your inventory over 50 if they come from chests or prizes. The only restriction is that you can't craft/smith any more until it goes down.
However, that might be different in iOS.

[ppownage]

just fused livingflame with crius for the second time and the first time was a sky guardian and now infernal lord xD gonna do this a lot!

[XBDMRRFPN]

just fused livingflame with crius for the second time and the first time was a sky guardian and now infernal lord xD gonna do this a lot!

level 1 both?

[ppownage]

level 1 both?

yea both lvl 1