Gree have exposed the myth and shattered the illusion

[Burn]

Gree have made a huge commercial blunder this weekend, the Toilet Papers gave people a peek at having high stats, and they will have realised that it actually makes little or no difference - same crap different numbers.

See luring people into spending Gold is a little like the story of the Emperors New Clothes - if enough people talk it up, then everyone agrees, and everyone buys into it - the myth lives on and grows in power.

"Imagine how much stronger I'll be if I win that PVP prize" You won't be.

"Imagine how much better the game will be when I am stronger" It won't be.

"Imagine what a difference that modifier will make to my game" It won't change anything.

Everything you aspire to having in the game is a myth - the game is what you make it, no more no less, and however much Gold you spend changes nothing in real terms.

Spend $100 and you change absolutely nothing.

Spend $1000 and you change your rival list a bit, you now get beaten up by different players.

Spend $10000 and you change your rival list a bit, you now get beaten up by different players.

Look at point 2 and 3, expenditure of between $1000 and $10000 is where Gree make their big bucks. The reality is that you actually gain nothing (except bragging rights maybe), but because the spend is $100 here and a $100 there, no-one considers the total spend, it isn't usually spent in one big splash, but in drips and drops.

But Gree have just given everyone a taste of that one big splash - people have experienced a stat increases that would have cost 10's of 1000's of $, and once the excitement died down and the giddy feeling of power subsided, do you know what most sensible people realised?

They changed their rival list a bit, and they now get beaten up by different players.

Yep, they got to take a look at life as a CC big shot, and now everyone knows, just like the Emperors New Clothes, it's just one big scam.

Gree have perfectly demonstrated to everyone that the dream they sell us every day... "Buy more Gold and be Great", is just an illusion, smoke and mirrors, a confidence trick.

In any Pay to Win game it is all about the journey to the destination, the Yellow Brick Road that you travel along for days, weeks and months in order to get your dreams fulfilled by the Wizard of Oz. Paying handsomely in Gold along the route naturally.

The problem for Gree is... Metaphorically speaking they took you to Oz this weekend, they bypassed the arduous journey along the Yellow Brick Road, instead flying you straight to Oz on a Magic Carpet made of Toilet Paper. And just like in the movie they let you have a peek behind the curtain. It wasn't what you expected was it. No the Wizard wasn't some all powerful omnipotent being. Nope, it was just you pressing some buttons and pretending it was something bigger.


Summary:

Gree sell non existent dreams. This weekend they showed everyone just how non-existent they are. Big commercial mistake.

I think in time to come, when Gree bean counters and analysts crunch the data, they will reflect on this weekend as the time when CC Gold sales started falling.

What is your opinion on the weekends events?

[Dipstik]

Ummm... yeah. I'm surprised it took you this long to realize all of this, but better late than never

[Dhusagar]

Gree have made a huge commercial blunder this weekend, the Toilet Papers gave people a peek at having high stats, and they will have realised that it actually makes little or no difference - same crap different numbers.

See luring people into spending Gold is a little like the story of the Emperors New Clothes - if enough people talk it up, then everyone agrees, and everyone buys into it - the myth lives on and grows in power.

"Imagine how much stronger I'll be if I win that PVP prize" You won't be.

"Imagine how much better the game will be when I am stronger" It won't be.

"Imagine what a difference that modifier will make to my game" It won't change anything.

Everything you aspire to having in the game is a myth - the game is what you make it, no more no less, and however much Gold you spend changes nothing in real terms.

Spend $100 and you change absolutely nothing.

Spend $1000 and you change your rival list a bit, you now get beaten up by different players.

Spend $10000 and you change your rival list a bit, you now get beaten up by different players.

Look at point 2 and 3, expenditure of between $1000 and $10000 is where Gree make their big bucks. The reality is that you actually gain nothing (except bragging rights maybe), but because the spend is $100 here and a $100 there, no-one considers the total spend, it isn't usually spent in one big splash, but in drips and drops.

But Gree have just given everyone a taste of that one big splash - people have experienced a stat increases that would have cost 10's of 1000's of $, and once the excitement died down and the giddy feeling of power subsided, do you know what most sensible people realised?

They changed their rival list a bit, and they now get beaten up by different players.

Yep, they got to take a look at life as a CC big shot, and now everyone knows, just like the Emperors New Clothes, it's just one big scam.

Gree have perfectly demonstrated to everyone that the dream they sell us every day... "Buy more Gold and be Great", is just an illusion, smoke and mirrors, a confidence trick.

In any Pay to Win game it is all about the journey to the destination, the Yellow Brick Road that you travel along for days, weeks and months in order to get your dreams fulfilled by the Wizard of Oz. Paying handsomely in Gold along the route naturally.

The problem for Gree is... Metaphorically speaking they took you to Oz this weekend, they bypassed the arduous journey along the Yellow Brick Road, instead flying you straight to Oz on a Magic Carpet made of Toilet Paper. And just like in the movie they let you have a peek behind the curtain. It wasn't what you expected was it. No the Wizard wasn't some all powerful omnipotent being. Nope, it was just you pressing some buttons and pretending it was something bigger.


Summary:

Gree sell non existent dreams. This weekend they showed everyone just how non-existent they are. Big commercial mistake.

I think in time to come, when Gree bean counters and analysts crunch the data, they will reflect on this weekend as the time when Gold sales started falling.

What is your opinion on the weekends events?

I believe there is a lot of truth in what you say. I have attacked more people in one day, than I did in the previous eight months combined. It was good while it lasted, but the only real difference is that I am now nine levels higher. I know the TP won't last, but if it helps me get another boss, then it is also helping me with my personal goals. At the end of the day, it hasn't made any real difference except the level of adrenaline that peaked this weekend.

[Dravak]

Am the King of Toilet paper !!!!

No seriously Gree are awesome and a happy halloween .
That game was always there Burn , why do you think I didn't mind to give away a 2,5k€ account to somebody .
just that somebody was guiliable and tought I was stupid hahahaha .... karma .

Sorry this is the game and you either accept it have fun or not , if people leave others will come in and play it .
Seen people with 100k stats on my way up with the first account quit , cause they found out .

These "scam" are done cause people want it , nothing in the world will open there eyes .
Sorry it is not a scam if you want it badly , you are buying virtual goods , that is equal to air .
You are trading paper money (that has a currency value) for a ingame currency value ...

Honestly if you question that system , you should question WTF are we doing ?
As long as people have fun , they should realise they are donating , nothing more nothing less .
If people stop having fun , and cannot control there budget , like most people can't in real life .
Then by all means do what I do , find a splendid way to exit .
The toilet paper was worth another 210€ , to have fun , In real life I will pay a lot more then that for toilet paper ..

I guess most people will not understand this post ahahah.

[maxxyme]

Can't agree more. That's why I don't spend any money in any kind of games like this one (and not just the ones from ex-Funzio/GREE).
I would prefer a paid app (some are good even if 0.xx worth) instead of this freemium gaming style.

[Deluxe]

I didnt even bother going for TP because i knew that the next guy, who was +50k stats to begin with and able to kick my ass, would add just as many (or more) TP and still be able to kick my ass. Also, looking at how easily they disappear (i burned thru almost 150 of a foe's TP in a single robbery sweep), i realized the gold it would take to refill stamina and actually have a chance at retaining a certain volume of TP would be for naught. My next, stronger enemy would come thru and wipe me clean. Just like gold spending...another $5k real money and the next guy will still come thru and kick my ass. This isnt an epiphany for me, had come to this realization some time ago, but Burn is right, this TP fiasco has illustrated very well how futile it is to try to be better/stronger in this game...

[mxz]

I thought the event was fun. A nice way for some free players to get unattainable stats, albeit temporary. There was a lot of excitement in whether you'd net gain or net loss TP. The new building brought us economists together for a few days. Fuzzy's HM deco thread was my favorite thread of the last few weeks. It was temporary, but it was fun and sparked a lot of us to get out of our comfort zones and do something different (my camper has almost the same stats as my main right now). And I found a few other campers to harvest in the process. Love the effort and dedication to be bold by Gree on this one. Kudos.

[BOS]

I've really enjoyed this event. Taking my a/d from 78/88 - 154/156, has given me the chance to win a few fights I wouldn't have otherwise . Sure it's only temporary, but what in this game isn't. Today's high powered crates will be tomorrows common rubbish.

From a "low stat" upper level player. This event was very cool.

[SiennaSharpe]

I thought the event was fun. A nice way for some free players to get unattainable stats, albeit temporary. There was a lot of excitement in whether you'd net gain or net loss TP. The new building brought us economists together for a few days. Fuzzy's HM deco thread was my favorite thread of the last few weeks. It was temporary, but it was fun and sparked a lot of us to get out of our comfort zones and do something different (my camper has almost the same stats as my main right now). And I found a few other campers to harvest in the process. Love the effort and dedication to be bold by Gree on this one. Kudos.

I'm with MXZ. I thought the combo of events the last few days was fun.

[dudeman]

I still think they're phasing out CC. Shattering the illusion that high stats make a difference is a pretty good way to get a few people to lose interest. That box event with awful open rates and worse bomb drop rates occurring simultaneously with the "peek behind the curtain" could not have been a coincidence either.

If you look at all their other games, CC doesn't really fit in anymore. It's just different. Old. Almost obsolete. Gree have found newer, even greedier methods to sell gold, only now they prefer to call it gems. Same cost for 1500, but the in game costs are higher in the other games, and in MQ gem units are consumable if they aren't of a certain class (or better). That sounds like the ultimate Gree plan. Sell gems so people can buy virtual monsters, then have the monsters "consumed" so players will have to spend more because they don't get to keep what they bought.

Are you fking shtting me?! Lol!

[KizbotBro]

You havent even mentioned the effect of the Haunted Mansion. This building available to all, costs just 100 gold. If you have been saving a bit then easily obtainable from tapjoy gold. The HM upgrades are free, upgrading to level 10 costs nothing but the time (which is something over 20 days to complete) and the results is a 41K IPH increase!
My new Android account that I just started is at level 5 has been upgrading it ever since purchase, when done my IPH will be around 55k, probably 60K considering the upgrades are free allowing me to save up and build my Lofts.
Im enjoying it at the moment but does seem a tad OTT.

[Dipstik]

You havent even mentioned the effect of the Haunted Mansion. This building available to all, costs just 100 gold. If you have been saving a bit then easily obtainable from tapjoy gold. The HM upgrades are free, upgrading to level 10 costs nothing but the time (which is something over 20 days to complete) and the results is a 41K IPH increase!
My new Android account that I just started is at level 5 has been upgrading it ever since purchase, when done my IPH will be around 55k, probably 60K considering the upgrades are free allowing me to save up and build my Lofts.
Im enjoying it at the moment but does seem a tad OTT.

40k an hour is "over the top?" If you feel like spending your tapjoy gold on this, go ahead. I'd rather buy pirate taverns.

[fuzzy]

I jumped from 60k attack to 100k attack due to TP. Not as much as the King of TP but still up 40k.

Like I told you yesterday Burn, it is false advertisement of my stats.

So yes they made a big mistake. My stats are either 60k or 100k I learned it makes no difference to me. I always told my self it wouldn't but I got to play with those 100k attack and now I know for sure that it makes no difference.

My game play change zero with the 100k attack. Use all bullets as much as I can. I will give hits and take hits every 2 hours. Only thing difference is the names.

[KizbotBro]

40k an hour is "over the top?" If you feel like spending your tapjoy gold on this, go ahead. I'd rather buy pirate taverns.

Im at lvl 5. Long wait for the Pirates!

What I mean though is that at lvl 5 Im gonna have a building paying out the same IPH as a lvl 1 Casino. Which is not available till you reach lvl 145 and costs some $60M!

[Idiokus]

Hey hello everybody!!! I had a great time with this event...would be cool if we could actually keep one roll of toilet paper in the end as a prize for just collecting and being able to hold on to a few til end of event. Indestructible of course:-) Because we all know how hard it was to hold on to them. I never do auctions here or on MW I'm trying so hard to camp but this time around because of event I was sitting on 108 boxes. I managed to open 15 and got gun reward pleased with that...so events like these I dig and will awake any hardcore camper, so keep them coming it was loads of fun:-)