RB placing

[Rob2]

Just got some interesting information. Can someone at Gree confirm or deny this?

When you end up at the same boss is your place really determined on a syn id?

An Email with this info is shown on a lot of info rooms

[DjSyla]

Raid boss leaderboard is a joke anyway.. say we all have 50 killed from rank 1 to 10.. although its reward for Boss Level killed .. thats not right.. because all 10 teams with boss 50 bosses down.. dont get awarded for 1st... its completely UNFAIR for 1 team to get 1st prize and another to get 10th prize when they have killed EXACTLY the SAME boss.........

That needs to be fixed

Silent Assssins have NOT taken part in this event this time because the everything about it is poor... and the health insane

I hope more teams opt OUT of future events that are the same

[Sandukan]

Raid boss leaderboard is a joke anyway.. say we all have 50 killed from rank 1 to 10.. although its reward for Boss Level killed .. thats not right.. because all 10 teams with boss 50 bosses down.. dont get awarded for 1st... its completely UNFAIR for 1 team to get 1st prize and another to get 10th prize when they have killed EXACTLY the SAME boss.........

That needs to be fixed

Silent Assssins have NOT taken part in this event this time because the everything about it is poor... and the health insane

I hope more teams opt OUT of future events that are the same

So you sitting out one event accomplishes what exactly?

[DjSyla]

So you sitting out one event accomplishes what exactly?

Im not in sas1.. havent sat out the event

[DjSyla]

We got to 56 first.. double negative got to 56 second.. all the rest came after.. Double negative stayed in 3rd.. we dropped to 7th... so its most definately not first come first rankedScreenshot_20160721-075505.jpg

We SHOULD be awarded the same prize as Double Negative... instead we get Top 10... even tho we were the first team aside from carnage... to achieve 56

[DjSyla]

Haha... we dropped 2 more spots in last 2 minutes

[Gungho]

The event is terrible, we just use free energy as it's hardly bring any value at all. Done it since the second RB. Same with HnR since last time.

[MISTERFTW]

Just got some interesting information. Can someone at Gree confirm or deny this?

When you end up at the same boss is your place really determined on a syn id?

An Email with this info is shown on a lot of info rooms

Its very true, they wont admit to it because thats a MAJOR ToS violation with Google and iOS and that wont look too good for Gree.

Watch how quick they delete this thread

[Gr3g]

Its very true, they wont admit to it because thats a MAJOR ToS violation with Google and iOS and that wont look too good for Gree.

Watch how quick they delete this thread

How? You should probably Read This. How Apple and Google work is the developer adds or leaves a link to their Terms of Service which you agree to when you download the app and those terms say

Notwithstanding the foregoing, GREE reserves the right in its sole discretion to review, monitor, prohibit, edit, delete, disable access to or otherwise make unavailable any User Content (including without limitation Your Content) without notice for any reason or for no reason at any time.

and furthermore

You hereby grant to GREE an irrevocable, perpetual, transferable, fully paid-up, royalty-free, worldwide license (including the right to sublicense and assign to third party) and right to copy, reproduce, fix, adapt, modify, create derivative works from, manufacture, commercialize, publish, distribute, sell, license, sublicense, transfer, lease, transmit, publicly display, publicly perform, or provide access to electronically, broadcast, communicate to the public by telecommunication, display, perform, enter into computer memory, and use and practice, in any way, your User Content

and the ToS says it about 100 more times. You are the one buying gold, Gree dose not "force" or "trick" you to buy it therefore; there is nothing wrong with their sorting method that goes against any ToS.

So this thread won't get removed as nothing wrong happened on Gree's end.

[MISTERFTW]

How? You should probably Read This. How Apple and Google work is the developer adds or leaves a link to their Terms of Service which you agree to when you download the app and those terms say



and furthermore



and the ToS says it about 100 more times. You are the one buying gold, Gree dose not "force" or "trick" you to buy it therefore; there is nothing wrong with their sorting method that goes against any ToS.

So this thread won't get removed as nothing wrong happened on Gree's end.

They dont force you to buy gold, correct, but you cant falsely lead players into believing that they can achieve the deciding factor of a tie breaker by spending more money to drop higher level bosses faster, or by dropping a higher amount of total bosses killed, when it has already been predetermined by the developer as to who will ALWAYS rank higher in a tie. That's Fraud. No matter how quick, how many, or simply how much gold you waste in this RB event, there is no way to change the outcome when its determined by syndicate ID# as the deciding factor. It will always be determined who wins the tie, simply by a teams ID #, that has already been a proven fact, and again, thats Fraud.

[Gr3g]

They dont force you to buy gold, correct, but you cant falsely lead players into believing that they can achieve the deciding factor of a tie breaker by spending more money to drop higher level bosses faster, or by dropping a higher amount of total bosses killed, when it has already been predetermined by the developer as to who will ALWAYS rank higher in a tie. That's Fraud. No matter how quick, how many, or simply how much gold you waste in this RB event, there is no way to change the outcome when its determined by syndicate ID# as the deciding factor. It will always be determined who wins the tie, simply by a teams ID #, that has already been a proven fact, and again, thats Fraud.

No it's not, Gree can do whatever they please and change what they said or did at anytime for any reason without telling players, It says so in the ToS that you agreed to and you don't have a say other wise. It's not fraud when you signed all your rights away. Again you are the one responsible for your money, you spend it, you buy gold, you use it when you want to, so when you spend that gold on a health refill you know for 100% that it's going to refill your health "fraud" would be like, having that not do what it says it does. So more to my point, spending "real money" on this game is no way connected to the ranking system. The gold used is for health refills not ranking and yes, in the end using health refills would help you kill higher bosses but isn't fraud.

I would like you to read this it's a good article on freemium games it basically shows and tells how people lost money and things developers did to take it. What I'm saying is you (The Player) have nothing to say or complain about because everything Gree is doing is legal and fine you gave them that right so no matter what goes down, Gree is 100% free from any and everything considered wrong doing. There is no fraud, no breaking of the Google or Apple ToS, nothing, nada, YOU ARE DEAD TO RIGHTS. Companies have been doing it for years and get away with it and there isn't one thing you can do either.

believing that they can achieve the deciding factor of a tie breaker by spending more money to drop higher level bosses faster, or by dropping a higher amount of total bosses killed, when it has already been predetermined by the developer as to who will ALWAYS rank higher in a tie.

Its simple, don't tie. Gree left you that option therefore; it's not "fraud" and definitely not falsely leading players into believing that they can achieve the deciding factor of a tie breaker by spending more money because there is a way to always rank higher than other syndicates so even if this was to get "official" it is considered "fair" by all parties. (And that doesn't mean the players of Crime City) I know all this because I was once there and thought people couldn't do that either but you have to read the fine print it's all there.

On a side note the only reason for posting is when you said "MAJOR ToS violation with Google and iOS" as a fellow developer (Not working for Gree) I dislike comments like that, they only cause panic and stir the pot when that isn't or shouldn't even be the case. It's a low blow, like people with the whole PEWDIEPIE "SCANDAL"!! To quote him "it's right there, right there" the rules and evidence were always available on Gree's rights and they never stepped out of them. I don't care that the rankings are unfair or unjust to some people, life is unfair but you learn to deal with it and or move on. If you want to accuse Gree of something don't use words like "fraud" or "violation" that just isn't the case. If I remember correctly raid boss has been "unfair" for months now (since the change in January) and what if Gree said "Hey! the older your syndicate is the lower you'll rank in the case of a tie. We think this is a good idea because the underdog never gets a chance. Here's 100 gold or a refund of health packs for your trouble." like they basically did for the whole Epic Boss health glitch not too long ago, which by the way they did what they wanted and never changed it back. You'd most likely be jumping or making new syndicates to rank higher in a tie for every Raid Boss. You got your crappy reward, then what? huh? what would you all do? you all would be complaining about something else like too many IP mods and how people spent so much money on those...oh wait...that already happened, was that fraud too? Those are my views like them or not I won't get offended but it's dirty pool when stuff like that is being said when the main purpose is to hurt a company or developer. I'm sorry but that is something you don't ever want to be on the receiving end of.

[DjSyla]

No it's not, Gree can do whatever they please and change what they said or did at anytime for any reason without telling players, It says so in the ToS that you agreed to and you don't have a say other wise. It's not fraud when you signed all your rights away. Again you are the one responsible for your money, you spend it, you buy gold, you use it when you want to, so when you spend that gold on a health refill you know for 100% that it's going to refill your health "fraud" would be like, having that not do what it says it does. So more to my point, spending "real money" on this game is no way connected to the ranking system. The gold used is for health refills not ranking and yes, in the end using health refills would help you kill higher bosses but isn't fraud.

I would like you to read this it's a good article on freemium games it basically shows and tells how people lost money and things developers did to take it. What I'm saying is you (The Player) have nothing to say or complain about because everything Gree is doing is legal and fine you gave them that right so no matter what goes down, Gree is 100% free from any and everything considered wrong doing. There is no fraud, no breaking of the Google or Apple ToS, nothing, nada, YOU ARE DEAD TO RIGHTS. Companies have been doing it for years and get away with it and there isn't one thing you can do either.


Its simple, don't tie. Gree left you that option therefore; it's not "fraud" and definitely not falsely leading players into believing that they can achieve the deciding factor of a tie breaker by spending more money because there is a way to always rank higher than other syndicates so even if this was to get "official" it is considered "fair" by all parties. (And that doesn't mean the players of Crime City) I know all this because I was once there and thought people couldn't do that either but you have to read the fine print it's all there.

On a side note the only reason for posting is when you said "MAJOR ToS violation with Google and iOS" as a fellow developer (Not working for Gree) I dislike comments like that, they only cause panic and stir the pot when that isn't or shouldn't even be the case. It's a low blow, like people with the whole PEWDIEPIE "SCANDAL"!! To quote him "it's right there, right there" the rules and evidence were always available on Gree's rights and they never stepped out of them. I don't care that the rankings are unfair or unjust to some people, life is unfair but you learn to deal with it and or move on. If you want to accuse Gree of something don't use words like "fraud" or "violation" that just isn't the case. If I remember correctly raid boss has been "unfair" for months now (since the change in January) and what if Gree said "Hey! the older your syndicate is the lower you'll rank in the case of a tie. We think this is a good idea because the underdog never gets a chance. Here's 100 gold or a refund of health packs for your trouble." like they basically did for the whole Epic Boss health glitch not too long ago, which by the way they did what they wanted and never changed it back. You'd most likely be jumping or making new syndicates to rank higher in a tie for every Raid Boss. You got your crappy reward, then what? huh? what would you all do? you all would be complaining about something else like too many IP mods and how people spent so much money on those...oh wait...that already happened, was that fraud too? Those are my views like them or not I won't get offended but it's dirty pool when stuff like that is being said when the main purpose is to hurt a company or developer. I'm sorry but that is something you don't ever want to be on the receiving end of.

Hmmmm may i ask what games u made so i can try them please?? I still think u work at GREE ;p... lol
He is correct on his point that we should not have a Predetermind rank system based on a syndicate id.. no matter who u r, gamer or developer, thats is not fair gameplay... and thats all that matters

The whole points of highest level boss killed leaderboard is just what it says.. you kill the same level boss as another team, gold or no gold... you SHOULD be awarded same... not something less because preset ID

Cant argue with that.. nobody can

[MISTERFTW]

No it's not, Gree can do whatever they please and change what they said or did at anytime for any reason without telling players, It says so in the ToS that you agreed to and you don't have a say other wise. It's not fraud when you signed all your rights away. Again you are the one responsible for your money, you spend it, you buy gold, you use it when you want to, so when you spend that gold on a health refill you know for 100% that it's going to refill your health "fraud" would be like, having that not do what it says it does. So more to my point, spending "real money" on this game is no way connected to the ranking system. The gold used is for health refills not ranking and yes, in the end using health refills would help you kill higher bosses but isn't fraud.

I would like you to read this it's a good article on freemium games it basically shows and tells how people lost money and things developers did to take it. What I'm saying is you (The Player) have nothing to say or complain about because everything Gree is doing is legal and fine you gave them that right so no matter what goes down, Gree is 100% free from any and everything considered wrong doing. There is no fraud, no breaking of the Google or Apple ToS, nothing, nada, YOU ARE DEAD TO RIGHTS. Companies have been doing it for years and get away with it and there isn't one thing you can do either.


Its simple, don't tie. Gree left you that option therefore; it's not "fraud" and definitely not falsely leading players into believing that they can achieve the deciding factor of a tie breaker by spending more money because there is a way to always rank higher than other syndicates so even if this was to get "official" it is considered "fair" by all parties. (And that doesn't mean the players of Crime City) I know all this because I was once there and thought people couldn't do that either but you have to read the fine print it's all there.

On a side note the only reason for posting is when you said "MAJOR ToS violation with Google and iOS" as a fellow developer (Not working for Gree) I dislike comments like that, they only cause panic and stir the pot when that isn't or shouldn't even be the case. It's a low blow, like people with the whole PEWDIEPIE "SCANDAL"!! To quote him "it's right there, right there" the rules and evidence were always available on Gree's rights and they never stepped out of them. I don't care that the rankings are unfair or unjust to some people, life is unfair but you learn to deal with it and or move on. If you want to accuse Gree of something don't use words like "fraud" or "violation" that just isn't the case. If I remember correctly raid boss has been "unfair" for months now (since the change in January) and what if Gree said "Hey! the older your syndicate is the lower you'll rank in the case of a tie. We think this is a good idea because the underdog never gets a chance. Here's 100 gold or a refund of health packs for your trouble." like they basically did for the whole Epic Boss health glitch not too long ago, which by the way they did what they wanted and never changed it back. You'd most likely be jumping or making new syndicates to rank higher in a tie for every Raid Boss. You got your crappy reward, then what? huh? what would you all do? you all would be complaining about something else like too many IP mods and how people spent so much money on those...oh wait...that already happened, was that fraud too? Those are my views like them or not I won't get offended but it's dirty pool when stuff like that is being said when the main purpose is to hurt a company or developer. I'm sorry but that is something you don't ever want to be on the receiving end of.

Hmmm, maybe you should do your homework, cuz according to Amex and Google, both are investigating Gree as of now

[Vile Lynn]

This is just a rumor to incite & promote somebody's agenda. That "email" is fabricated.

Ties are handled by time-stamps. First one to the top, gets 1st, etc...
For example, if the top 10 syndicates all kill 52 RBs, whichever syn killed #52 RB first, gets 1st place, and so on.
If the 11th syn kills #52, they won't bounce up in rank. They'll stay in 11th place since their kill was time-stamped after the 10th ranking syn. Make sense?

Rankings are not "predetermined" by a special syn ID.

[DjSyla]

This is just a rumor to incite & promote somebody's agenda. That "email" is fabricated.

Ties are handled by time-stamps. First one to the top, gets 1st, etc...
For example, if the top 10 syndicates all kill 52 RBs, whichever syn killed #52 RB first, gets 1st place, and so on.
If the 11th syn kills #52, they won't bounce up in rank. They'll stay in 11th place since their kill was time-stamped after the 10th ranking syn. Make sense?

Rankings are not "predetermined" by a special syn ID.

Thats not how it works either.. we were first to 56.. then 1 team went ahead of us on 56 and 3 behind us n 56.. so... timestamp is definately not the way it works.. or we would be in 3rd place right now and we are not.. been knocked down by teams o the same kill

A TIE should be awarded for exctly that... same award for same boss killed...regardless of position on leaderboard...