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    Quote Originally Posted by robmurphy View Post
    Most of the posters complaining in this room are American. America is undoubtedly the most litigious country in the Western Hemisphere.

    Why don't you all stop *****ing about what GREE are or are not doing, get of your backsides and go and find out if these actions are illegal.

    If they are, do something about it

    If they're not, STFU or quit

    Whiners whine, doers do

    Is the debate for or against the UK staying in the EU whining?

    Of course it's not.

    Its great when people express opinions, rather than picking up a weapon and bringing harm to others.

    Besides, as long as THEALMIGHTYGREE allows people to dialogue on their forum, people will dialogue.

    Anyway, I'm very interested to see what your countrymen and women decide.

    I'm rooting for those wishing to exit, but I'd never try to quiet those wishing to stay.

    Its good to listen, mate, even when you're happy and disagree.
    It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled.

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    In the words of Bobby Heenan: "The money's the same, whether you earn it or scam it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HellRaizer View Post
    And if playing golf, on every hole the greenkeepers came alone and chopped your ball up, or as your on the green they decide at that moment to change the pin position. Or maybe when the competition is over the person tallying your results gets your handicap wrong and therefore wrongly calculates your score. Would you just take it without saying anything?
    Hellraizer, that's a tired and lazy response.

    You miss my point (which you don't have to agree with). If I played golf in the atmosphere you describe, I'd either storm into the clubhouse demanding my money back and demanding they change things for the better. Or, I'd quit playing that course.

    What I wouldn't do is whinge to all my 'friends' about how bad it is.

    Some people let things happen to them, some people actually do things.

    Pavlov's Dog would be right at home in this forum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by robmurphy View Post
    Hellraizer, that's a tired and lazy response.

    You miss my point (which you don't have to agree with). If I played golf in the atmosphere you describe, I'd either storm into the clubhouse demanding my money back and demanding they change things for the better. Or, I'd quit playing that course.

    What I wouldn't do is whinge to all my 'friends' about how bad it is.

    Some people let things happen to them, some people actually do things.

    Pavlov's Dog would be right at home in this forum.

    I used your own comparison of golf (which you have done a few times before), and your response is that you would "storm in the clubhouse demanding you money back".. Now we could consider this forum our "clubhouse" and people are certainly storming in here and demanding their money back... but in return they get banned from the clubhouse for 7 days ...

    Now if this was your local club, then, in all likelihood some of your friends would be in said clubhouse whenever you make a scene and demanded your money back.. Now imagine that a member of the committee comes out and escorts you out of the building and bans you from entering again... (and you still don't get your money back.. because mistakes do happen)

    See where I'm coming from .. it a terrible comparison, but i did just stick with your theme.

    Side note .. Talking of Golf ... I really do miss it. Haven't played since moving to England 7 years ago

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    Quote Originally Posted by HellRaizer View Post
    I used your own comparison of golf (which you have done a few times before), and your response is that you would "storm in the clubhouse demanding you money back".. Now we could consider this forum our "clubhouse" and people are certainly storming in here and demanding their money back... but in return they get banned from the clubhouse for 7 days ...

    Now if this was your local club, then, in all likelihood some of your friends would be in said clubhouse whenever you make a scene and demanded your money back.. Now imagine that a member of the committee comes out and escorts you out of the building and bans you from entering again... (and you still don't get your money back.. because mistakes do happen)

    See where I'm coming from .. it a terrible comparison, but i did just stick with your theme.

    Side note .. Talking of Golf ... I really do miss it. Haven't played since moving to England 7 years ago
    I miss golf too. I was born right next to a golf course in the north west of England, played non stop for years. But recently my spine has decided it doesn't like golf anymore, so I play MW.......

    I think our analogies are over-stretched (like my spine.....).

    All good fun.

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    The problem is folks are storming the clubhouse, then being told to suck it up. The problem is not just the monetary investment but more importantly the investment of time where many of us have been playing for almost 5 years. Then there is the commitment to our fellow players in terms of factions and gaming friends.

    Granted the gree has done a pretty spectacular job of dismantling this game and chasing players away but still the loyalty (insanity) to fellow players is strong and what still makes the game of interest.

    Hellraizer nails it when he takes apart the golf analogy by mentioning the obvious which is moving the pin or in our case the goal posts. Or changing the handicap (boosts) or the hundreds of other switches that have taken place over the years. Which is why we complain, otherwise gree would just keep trying to get away with all of this nonsense, and to some degree they do however it makes getting refunds a lot easier, especially when accounts get locked out. But it does seem to me that they hope that folks just keep blindly spending and to accept the fact that they screw up, which may not in some cases be honest mistakes but actually deceptions….

    Many have given up and quit and it almost feels as if gree doesn't care or actually want this to happen which is beyond stupid IMHO because each of those displaced players will likely never use or spend money on another gree product. I know I won't, and in fact I deleted all the other games from this company a long time ago. Yet in a weird way this one endures on my devices. At this point though it seems that I play more out of morbid curiosity then caring if I place in a high ranking faction. I think the other challenge for me is to play for free and make up my own strategies as I muddle along.
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    Quote Originally Posted by robmurphy View Post
    A huge risk? What are you talking about? This is a pay-to-play app' not Wall Street.

    There's no 'risk'. You can't win anything tactile. You're not putting your life savings into Apple shares.

    It's a hobby, like golf. Is selecting the colour of your tee's a huge risk? (the answer is no.....)

    Stop pretending you care for new gamers or the 'little people'. You're upset because one again, for the bazillionth time, something bad has happened to you in this game you can't walk away from

    Stockholm Syndrome?
    Actually I think it's important to inform players coming in what they are getting into. I used to tell my friends about this game hoping they would join and be in same faction.

    Yes it is a risk spending money as you don't know if you will actually get what you decided to spend on. It goes with any business purchase, if we continue to get bait and switched then would you continue to spend? I think I already know your answer.

    Why do you ignore the corrupt mess of gree's business model? I would think you would realize it is gree that has caused the sour attitude and frustrations within these forums. They are far beating a simple glitch here and there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WBS View Post
    Actually I think it's important to inform players coming in what they are getting into. I used to tell my friends about this game hoping they would join and be in same faction.

    Yes it is a risk spending money as you don't know if you will actually get what you decided to spend on. It goes with any business purchase, if we continue to get bait and switched then would you continue to spend? I think I already know your answer.

    Why do you ignore the corrupt mess of gree's business model? I would think you would realize it is gree that has caused the sour attitude and frustrations within these forums. They are far beating a simple glitch here and there.
    What makes you think (as you say) I ignore the corrupt mess of GREEs business model. I've made the point, often and clearly, that some people take action, some people just talk.

    I take action.

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    Quote Originally Posted by robmurphy View Post
    Most of the posters complaining in this room are American. America is undoubtedly the most litigious country in the Western Hemisphere.

    Why don't you all stop *****ing about what GREE are or are not doing, get of your backsides and go and find out if these actions are illegal.

    If they are, do something about it

    If they're not, STFU or quit

    Whiners whine, doers do

    Exactly! Thank you!

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    Quote Originally Posted by robmurphy View Post
    What makes you think (as you say) I ignore the corrupt mess of GREEs business model. I've made the point, often and clearly, that some people take action, some people just talk.

    I take action.

    So do I, I quit giving them money over a year ago and I sent tickets in, now I have come to realize that tickets rarely if ever get answered.

    I would like to know how you are helping make the game better?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brown Out View Post
    Exactly! Thank you!
    Coming from the guy who had all kinds of issues in the game and posted about them back when there wasn't near as much problems. Things get worse and you flip flopped, I do enjoy your comedic relief though, satire can be funny once in awhile

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    Quote Originally Posted by WBS View Post

    I would like to know how you are helping make the game better?
    I'm just a medium sized fish in a big pond.

    In game, I have played in every event (working properly or glitched) for the past 4+ years. I think in some small way, participation keeps this game from imploding. So perhaps I help a little that way.

    Outside of the game, I contribute more than you could guess, but I don't need to (or want to) expand on that.

    You don't spend money and complain through a mechanism that doesn't work. I'd say you do, at best, nothing to help this game.

    But hey, that's just my perspective. I just can't stand negativity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by robmurphy View Post
    I'm just a medium sized fish in a big pond.

    In game, I have played in every event (working properly or glitched) for the past 4+ years. I think in some small way, participation keeps this game from imploding. So perhaps I help a little that way.

    Outside of the game, I contribute more than you could guess, but I don't need to (or want to) expand on that.

    You don't spend money and complain through a mechanism that doesn't work. I'd say you do, at best, nothing to help this game.

    But hey, that's just my perspective. I just can't stand negativity.

    I have played just as long as you have Rob. We just perceive business ethics differently and reward or punish differently. I still like the game as to why I still play and post. I don't like the company running it. The only way to help gree right now is by spending. They have listened very little to what the player base has said. You see it as negativity because gree is putting out shoddy programming, some People view it as constructive criticism or down right get your act together.

    The majority of the upset players are ones who have played a very long time and have put in a lot of time into the game and money. Maybe you have spent time helping outside of the game, where has it gotten MW? It hasn't gotten better in at least 1.5 years overall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WBS View Post
    I have played just as long as you have Rob. We just perceive business ethics differently and reward or punish differently. I still like the game as to why I still play and post. I don't like the company running it. The only way to help gree right now is by spending. They have listened very little to what the player base has said. You see it as negativity because gree is putting out shoddy programming, some People view it as constructive criticism or down right get your act together.

    The majority of the upset players are ones who have played a very long time and have put in a lot of time into the game and money. Maybe you have spent time helping outside of the game, where has it gotten MW? It hasn't gotten better in at least 1.5 years overall.
    What I do outside either helps or it doesn't. Time will tell

    What do you suggest? A gold boycott?

    Logically that would work, but emotionally it seems unlikely to ever happen, and GREE know that.

    If Stephen, Mike, Phil and all the other beasts proposed it, I'd support it and try to rally support.

    You cannot argue that fact that just complaining will do nothing to improve the situation.

    Why don't you step up and help make a change?

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    Quote Originally Posted by robmurphy View Post
    What I do outside either helps or it doesn't. Time will tell

    What do you suggest? A gold boycott?

    Logically that would work, but emotionally it seems unlikely to ever happen, and GREE know that.

    If Stephen, Mike, Phil and all the other beasts proposed it, I'd support it and try to rally support.

    You cannot argue that fact that just complaining will do nothing to improve the situation.

    Why don't you step up and help make a change?
    Continuing to feed them money could be argued as a big reason they are not fixing anything? Nothing players do will help, unless they fire the developers and get serious about their customer service the game will continue to sink and the whales will continue to spend.

    Do I think a boycott would work, I think it could, unless gree decides to shut the game down for good instead. I think it cannot be argued that thinking positive about this game will help either as gree has continually shown its true colors of screwing the player base.

    The players have given gree free advice and things to make the game better for years, has free listened?
    I help by not spending and by bringing up prormsvwithin the game. If you feel led to to help gree on your free time that is your choice and I wish you luck.

    I thought gree started getting serious about its problems with player mids, then they would get booted. Then Hightower comes and seems to communicate more, that isn't helping the games problems but it does help to see some sort of communication in forums. But I don't know if he isn't allowed to say why they screw players over, or if he's part of it. I don't know.

    You can't even read more than 4 reviews anymore on the game as they are all negative but truthful. Gree needs a whole new image and s whole new company name.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WBS View Post
    Continuing to feed them money could be argued as a big reason they are not fixing anything? Nothing players do will help, unless they fire the developers and get serious about their customer service the game will continue to sink and the whales will continue to spend.

    Do I think a boycott would work, I think it could, unless gree decides to shut the game down for good instead. I think it cannot be argued that thinking positive about this game will help either as gree has continually shown its true colors of screwing the player base.

    The players have given gree free advice and things to make the game better for years, has free listened?
    I help by not spending and by bringing up prormsvwithin the game. If you feel led to to help gree on your free time that is your choice and I wish you luck.

    I thought gree started getting serious about its problems with player mids, then they would get booted. Then Hightower comes and seems to communicate more, that isn't helping the games problems but it does help to see some sort of communication in forums. But I don't know if he isn't allowed to say why they screw players over, or if he's part of it. I don't know.

    You can't even read more than 4 reviews anymore on the game as they are all negative but truthful. Gree needs a whole new image and s whole new company name.
    OK WBS, all good. We both hope things will improve and we both do what we think is best.

    Let's remain peers, not enemies. After all, it's just a game.

    Rob (aka Sheldon Cooper)

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