Ya pays yer money and ya takes your chances!
-Typical Carnival Barker
Good luck on the box event! Hope you get everything for the indy! You're so close!
-Gree
Ya pays yer money and ya takes your chances!
-Typical Carnival Barker
Good luck on the box event! Hope you get everything for the indy! You're so close!
-Gree
Wow, GREE, breaking the law? I am truly shocked, I know they are many things, but law breaking wasn't one of them.
I don't wish to associate myself with law breakers, I am truly heart broken ��. I am truly emotional now and may curl in a ball with deep depression for the rest of my life...
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I think they should be able to do what they want with their game.
If you get sucked in, that's on you. That just means they're doing a good job.
Anyone currently being sucked in? No?
Well then, what does that tell you?
Yeah, I think it's a stupid law, but I'm not Japanese. I'm more curious about how the obvious contradiction has been resolved. Was the law repealed? Is it just not enforced? Does Gree not offer services in Japan anymore? Do they pay fines every once in a while (read "bribes") to keep the government off their backs while they continue doing business? Is there litigation in the works?
edit: Is there some subtle reason that I'm missing why these events don't meet the definition of the law and it doesn't apply?
Still mad at Bostick.Originally Posted by murf
I'll be back when the moderation is reasonable. Enjoy the forum you created, Gree.
I honestly don't think this qualifies as Kompu Gacha, because it's just tapping for cases. It's pure chance.
As I understand it, Kompu Gacha is you have several hoops to jump through to get that really awesome item, and one or more of those steps relies on chance, but at first doesn't seem that way.
Cases are purely chance, and not something you can try to predict ahead of time.
Either way, what does it matter? If you want to smack cases until you're blue in the face for the Indy, then go for it.
I'll tap when it's up thanks.
Again, just to clarify, kompu gacha is only illegal in Japan, so they obviously have changed the event there or they don't offer it there. Offering a prize for a collection is not illegal as I understand (although the other pretend lawyer in this thread has been practicing longer so maybe his pretend law library has more info). It becomes Kompu Gacha when you have to collect super rare prizes in order get an extremely powerful item. There were people in Japan that spent millions (probably in Japenese currency) to get this reward. As I said in another post, if Gree discloses the odds of getting the items and they are actually awarded according to those odds, this is no longer illegal. For example, if the rarest prize has a 1% drop rate, but it's guaranteed to drop one out of a hundred times, then someone could easily sit down (or hang upside down in an inverted chair) and figure out the maximum amount of money they would have to spend in order to receive the prize. This removes the gambling aspect, at least in the eyes of the Japenese government. If there is someone on these forums from Japan they could clarify for you, otherwise you may have to start looking for Japenese pen pals.
Watashewa NiHongoGa, skoshi, Wakademas.
You keep replying... I don't know why.
Still mad at Bostick.
I'll be back when the moderation is reasonable. Enjoy the forum you created, Gree.
This surprises no one.
My understanding is that the entire game is illegal in Japan due to Kompu Gacha.
Thanks, monty. Good to see you again.
Still mad at Bostick.
I'll be back when the moderation is reasonable. Enjoy the forum you created, Gree.
I'm not sure if it applies to kompu gacha per se, but one way around gambling laws is the use of virtual currency.
If you go into a casino, you're exchanging money for the experience of risk with the chance of random rewards. Sure, you get chips, but all chip values are equal and representative of real currency.
In gree games, and in most pay to win / micro transaction games, you pay for a level of virtual currency. And not all currency is equal. You can buy in at different rates, and you can even get the virtual currency for "free" (right, Evan?). How you spend this virtual currency is up to you. And it's spent on an experience (that you don't and never will own) instead of on a risk for real gain (read: more than pixels). You can spend your gold on experiences with pre-determined and definitive outcomes, such as inventory items and counter resets, or you can enter the kompa gacha games.
So back to what I was saying, that's likely how they get around gambling laws, but it appears kompu gacha applies to the mechanics of the game itself, regardless of currency.
I guess they just can't pls$ where they live (aka rip off people where they're headquartered).
Crime City tenure: June 2012 - retired 8/10/14
Here's an interesting article, with Gree's official statement on kompu gacha.
http://www.serkantoto.com/2012/05/09...-gree-history/
They're on the council, after all.
Crime City tenure: June 2012 - retired 8/10/14
Good article. So has something changed? Because it's back.
Still mad at Bostick.
I'll be back when the moderation is reasonable. Enjoy the forum you created, Gree.
Are you really this dense?? You talk about my posts, but yours really have no point. The link was for a Tokyo based consultancy and the announcement only applied to Japan. There are very easy and legal steps they can take to get around this law in Japan, but if Monty is correct, they don't offer these games there. This practice is legal everywhere else.
Gree is not going to reply and if anyone else knew they would have already replied.
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