Update 10/20/15

[sstuutss]

You spent money for gold, and you got it.

What part of that is confusing?

Apples TOS trumps gree TOS.
What part of that is confusing?
'If your app appears to promise certain features and functionalities, it needs to deliver.'
Doesn't matter what you think.
Doesn't matter what I think
Doesn't matter what gree think.

Let's say you go to a casino... You exchange $10k into chips. You sit down, bet 10k, and lose. Do you go back and say, "Hey! I lost, gimme my 10k back!"? No. They would lol you out the door.

This is where your argument breaks down. Take your 10k put it on red, red comes up and they say 'oh sorry we screwed up, you're not getting the 10k you won and we arent giving you back the 10k you bet either'

[HellRaizer]

The comparison to the chips would be.. If you exchange $100 for 100 in chips and then put it all in black... Black comes up and then your told that roulette table was damaged so we cant give you 200 chips back but we cant give you the original 100 back either.

[HellRaizer]

Lol.. I posted the same thing as sstuutss

[sstuutss]

Lol.. I posted the same thing as sstuutss

well the exact opposite in fact

[J-manKometh96]

The comparison to the chips would be.. If you exchange $100 for 100 in chips and then put it all in black... Black comes up and then your told that roulette table was damaged so we cant give you 200 chips back but we cant give you the original 100 back either.

Where GREE gets you is in its layers.

You buy gold. You get gold.

You use gold for refills. You get refills.

You use refills to fight bosses. You beat bosses.

You beat bosses. You don't get reward.

See how far removed from your actual transaction that is? You got your gold, and the actual gold did what it was supposed to, but several steps later it all fell apart. It's shady is hell, but it's how they get you.

[HellRaizer]

Where GREE gets you is in its layers.

You buy gold. You get gold.

You use gold for refills. You get refills.

You use refills to fight bosses. You beat bosses.

You beat bosses. You don't get reward.

See how far removed from your actual transaction that is? You got your gold, and the actual gold did what it was supposed to, but several steps later it all fell apart. It's shady is hell, but it's how they get you.

I can do that to with the casino logic

1. Go to casino get 100 in single chips.
2. Spend 50 singles in blackjack and win 300
3. Exchange 300 Single for 2 100s a 2 50s
4. Enter poker table. use 50 singles and 2 50s .. Only get 1 50 back
5. Go to Routlette table. Put 1 50 and 2 100s on Black
6. Black comes up, but deemed not so, due to broken table .. No return on chips

[J-manKometh96]

It's not quite the same though. You're still using chips, just different denominations. In addition, casinos and cars were around a long time before any of the rules and regulations we are discussing about them were put in place. In time it will happen with games like this as well, but we just aren't there yet. But like cars and casinos, even when they are, there will still be loopholes and end runs in all the rules.

I don't agree with how GREE does any of this. I'm just explaining it.

[HellRaizer]

It's not quite the same though. You're still using chips, just different denominations. In addition, casinos and cars were around a long time before any of the rules and regulations we are discussing about them were put in place. In time it will happen with games like this as well, but we just aren't there yet. But like cars and casinos, even when they are, there will still be loopholes and end runs in all the rules.

I don't agree with how GREE does any of this. I'm just explaining it.

ah.. but that is were Gree and Apple disagree. If you explain to Gree CS that you brought gold for the sole purpose of an event (even thou the Gree TOS says that their is no monetary value of gold), they should aim to compensate or cancel the purchase. I fully understand their grey area to attempt to cover up the concept of compensation, however, depending on the country of origin of the purchase, legislation's are rapidly changing regarding the cool off period of an online transaction. Thus, when you provide the same information to Apple, even showing the TOS by Gree, they tend to agree regarding inaccuracies of baiting the customer ...

Now am I not advocating people buying gold for other purposes and then claiming it was for a broken event... That is just dishonest

[J-manKometh96]

And now we agree.

[DEWIN NUTTIN]

There is THE GREE logic and THE GREE math.
I'd rather have my money than an imaginary trinket, thank you.
We're always free to choose.
Its YOUR money until you spend it, or get bamboozled out of it.

[ju100]

ah.. but that is were Gree and Apple disagree. If you explain to Gree CS that you brought gold for the sole purpose of an event (even thou the Gree TOS says that their is no monetary value of gold), they should aim to compensate or cancel the purchase. I fully understand their grey area to attempt to cover up the concept of compensation, however, depending on the country of origin of the purchase, legislation's are rapidly changing regarding the cool off period of an online transaction. Thus, when you provide the same information to Apple, even showing the TOS by Gree, they tend to agree regarding inaccuracies of baiting the customer ...

Now am I not advocating people buying gold for other purposes and then claiming it was for a broken event... That is just dishonest

It is dishonest because everyone know that all events are broken ones!

[HellRaizer]

Hahaha.. Too true.. But that's another reason why I wont spend anything.. Not whilst these issues exist

[DEWIN NUTTIN]

Definition of STALE

1 tedious from familiarity <a stale routine>
2 impaired in vigor or effectiveness
3 tasteless or unpalatable from age <stale bread>
4 impaired in legal force or effect by reason of being allowed to rest without timely use, action, or demand <a stale affidavit> <a stale debt>

[2000y2k]

Just another one of the many issues with Gree.

Gree acts like giving players units costs them real money or crediting players back fake gold does as well. I guess it's all expected when you have a buggy product you get crap customer service too.

Night and day between the way Apple and the Gree treat customers and where their companies are going in the future.

[Pidgeot]

The loot was said to have been paid out. Can anyone confirm this?