Why battle on 4th of July?

[Evan1000]

Easy on the tone junior.

Haha sorry. But the whole argument of they didn't need our help in WW2 called for that. And if anything I'm perfect for this argument because all of this is fresh in my head. You guys had years to forget all about what your learned in history class.

TheWarthog summed it up nicely.

[Dipstik]

I see that the chapter on the civil war is a couple months old, however...

[Jcw9811]

Haha sorry. But the whole argument of they didn't need our help in WW2 called for that. And if anything I'm perfect for this argument because all of this is fresh in my head. You guys had years to forget all about what your learned in history class.

TheWarthog summed it up nicely.

Too bad in school u get at best10% of what actually happened. It's all watered down bull

[Evan1000]

Too bad in school u get at best10% of what actually happened. It's all watered down bull

I'm sure it is, in the textbooks at least. But teachers usually cover all the bases. I just took a class on U.S history and it was basically a class of U.S screw ups.

Every country falls guilty to that though. The U.S isn't the only one, and we're still technically one of the newer countries that doesn't have as much bad history as everyone else.

[Brendan]

Haha sorry. But the whole argument of they didn't need our help in WW2 called for that. And if anything I'm perfect for this argument because all of this is fresh in my head. You guys had years to forget all about what your learned in history class.

TheWarthog summed it up nicely.

I don't think anyone said we didn't need America's help. But Britain was far from being in its knees in 1941. We had beaten off the threat of invasion and our bombers were causing far more damage to Germany than they could throw at us. The Royal Navy still controlled the Mediterranean and we were busily kicking the Germans and Italians out of North Africa.

As for lend lease and the weapons provided by the US, thanks. One thing you neglect to mention is that Britain were paying you for those weapons and materiel, even after you joined the war. And the loan was so large it was paid back only a few years ago.The war was a massive earner for the arms industry in the US, some of which was used to rebuild Germany and Japan afterwards.

As someone who reads a lot of books on the war, and doesn't pick up my history from Hollywood films, my mind is constantly refreshed.

[TheWarthog]

But Britain was far from being in its knees in 1941.

Yep. And every abused soul tends to minimize their abuse.

[Evan1000]

Well of course, economy booms during war. Don't forget the great depression was right before this and we needed the money. We made you pay with cash at first so the Germans couldn't prove we were selling weapons, even though everyone knew, but after the Battle of Britain you kind of were on your knees and we basically just gave you weapons (leased) since we needed you to win. Germans didn't want us to enter the war, they knew we'd turn the tide (which we did). They may have declared war on us, but that's because they knew we'd be fighting Japan, and it was proved Germany had something to do with Pearl Harbor. They wanted us distracted and planned the bombing of a U.S naval base with Japan.

But we can all agree that if Hitler didn't make the same mistake Napoleon did and attack Russia they would have probably won the war, since the Soviet Union was smart and tried to stay out of Hitler's way.

[Vile Lynn]

TLDR, IBTL

None of that matters now. We can beat all of you at soccer!

[Dipstik]

I'm getting bored here, guys... Everyone knows that the US pretty much owns Britain, but you've got to CONVINCE THEM! Their soccer team lost the world cup finals by kicking the ball into their own goal! Don't let up on them!

*munches popcorn*

[Brendan]

But we can all agree that if Hitler didn't make the same mistake Napoleon did and attack Russia they would have probably won the war, since the Soviet Union was smart and tried to stay out of Hitler's way.[/QUOTE]


Yep, agree with you there, any invasion, even with the US, would have been virtually impossible. Lucky he was dumb as well as evil.

[Brendan]

TLDR, IBTL

None of that matters now. We can beat all of you at soccer!

Only women's 'soccer'.

[Dipstik]

Only women's 'soccer'.

See how sexist brits are?

[Vile Lynn]

Ah yes, but he still called it 'soccer.'

[Brendan]

Ah yes, but he still called it 'soccer.'

I was being sarcastic. Obviously a game where people use their feet to kick a ball around should be referred to as soccer by Americans, while a game in which a ball is carried or thrown is football!

[Dipstik]

I was being sarcastic. Obviously a game where people use their feet to kick a ball around should be referred to as soccer by Americans, while a game in which a ball is carried or thrown is football!

The brits invented the term "soccer." You should look up its origin sometime.