North Side Massacre Cycle

[Weasel]

Not true. It brought about a whole new strategy to the event. A fun one. But if you want to spend gold on demons instead go right ahead. Lol.

A whole new strategy... of not paying for things that formerly required payment. Brilliant! I'm sure the accountants and investors were drooling over that idea.

And about the gold spendage, I think it actually upped the spending. If you're in a T10, you think you want a T100 to catch up to you because they're farming demons? No, you're spending more!

Or, even more likely, you're reducing your spend to $0 because why should you pay for the same thing everyone is getting for free?

[Evan1000]

A whole new strategy... of not paying for things that formerly required payment. Brilliant! I'm sure the accountants and investors were drooling over that idea.

Yes a whole new strategy. More active battles and the added ability to put up big points faster calls for more strategy. I wonder what your syn does during Street Assault. Throw deploys at a node and hope for the best?

Or, even more likely, you're reducing your spend to $0 because why should you pay for the same thing everyone is getting for free?

They can't reduce their spend to $0, because then the lower syns would catch up. And with their newly acquired confidence on the ability of being able to put up big points they themselves will start to spend gold. Now the T10 has to spend even more, regardless of whether or not they themselves are farming as well.

[Weasel]

Yes a whole new strategy. More active battles and the added ability to put up big points faster calls for more strategy. I wonder what your syn does during Street Assault. Throw deploys at a node and hope for the best?

What my syndicate does is irrelevant to this discussion. Gree obviously saw their sales plummet once they started giving away what used to cost gold/actual money, otherwise they would have continued with that formula. If it doesn't increase sales, it's not worth keeping. If it reduces sales, it gets fixed real quick.

They can't reduce their spend to $0, because then the lower syns would catch up. And with their newly acquired confidence on the ability of being able to put up big points they themselves will start to spend gold. Now the T10 has to spend even more, regardless of whether or not they themselves are farming as well.

Leaderboard scores were lower than ever before when the demons were basically free. You can say anything you want, but when there is hard evidence contradicting everything you say, you just make yourself seem foolish. If people had actually started spending more, as you claim, Gree must have decided they were earning too much revenue and had to make necessary changes to reduce their profit.

[Dipstik]

As long as we're all so concerned with Gree's bottom line, they should really make the elite goal for sweeping all five nodes 9 times require CONSECUTIVE sweeps. Make people actually fight for them.

Oh sorry, didn't realize we were only looking for reasons to justify making things easier.

[Weasel]

As long as we're all so concerned with Gree's bottom line, they should really make the elite goal for sweeping all five nodes 9 times require CONSECUTIVE sweeps. Make people actually fight for them.

Oh sorry, didn't realize we were only looking for reasons to justify making things easier.

That's not a bad idea. Currently, everyone and their grandma can finish 9/9 "elite"... usually within the first 24 hours of the event.

[Dipstik]

If I were in charge, I'd also prioritize pairings against people with similar win streaks, but I'm sort of a sadist.

[Evan1000]

Leaderboard scores were lower than ever before when the demons were basically free.

.. how exactly is this "hard evidence"? Scores are lower than ever before NOW, with the taking back of demon farming and the crummy prizes. I went from scoring 50m to scoring 10.

[Dipstik]

All with tapjoy gold right?

[Evan1000]

As long as we're all so concerned with Gree's bottom line, they should really make the elite goal for sweeping all five nodes 9 times require CONSECUTIVE sweeps. Make people actually fight for them.

Oh sorry, didn't realize we were only looking for reasons to justify making things easier.

I wouldn't mind this. Streaks should be earned. But my team isn't fighting or spending gold for a 1% mod. If they want players to earn their goals make the goals actually worth the effort.

[Evan1000]

All with tapjoy gold right?

Haha, what's wrong with that? On the leaderboard it all looks the same, where and how I aquire my gold is irrelevant to how others get theirs.

[Weasel]

.. how exactly is this "hard evidence"? Scores are lower than ever before NOW, with the taking back of demon farming and the crummy prizes. I went from scoring 50m to scoring 10.

The scores are only lower than ever before among free to moderate gold syndicates because of how inflated they were for the two or three events with free demons. No more free demons will have an obvious result.

Among the top spending syndicates, they are roughly where they'd be expected to be in comparison to syndicates that don't pay for anything. And rightly so.

People spending nothing shouldn't be competing at the same level as those who do spend. And I say that as someone who spends nothing. If I were a spender and Joe Bloe Free-Player were competing at the same level, it would take all of half a second for me to realize my spend isn't actually buying anything. Even people with thousands of dollars of disposable income don't spend it on things that provide zero return of any kind, tangible, virtual or otherwise.

[sister morphine]

If I were a spender and Joe Bloe Free-Player were competing at the same level, it would take all of half a second for me to realize my spend isn't actually buying anything. Even people with thousands of dollars of disposable income don't spend it on things that provide zero return of any kind, tangible, virtual or otherwise.

If your theoretical spender can't deduce from that they're spending their money in the wrong place, they deserve no sympathy. They would of course be getting a far better indy rank prize than any free player would dream of. That should be why they continue to spend.

If free players see that no matter how much or how smart they play they would be forbidden from earning any prize for completing an event, in case it might upset a spender, where is their motivation to do stuff at all. For someone who talks about "sense of entitlement" as much as you do, I'm surprised you don't see that. Spending real money on the game is a short-cut to finishing events, and nothing more. The extra reward is the superior rank prize.

[HavingFun]

Haha, what's wrong with that? On the leaderboard it all looks the same, where and how I aquire my gold is irrelevant to how others get theirs.

Spoken like a true hacker.

[Nighteg]

The scores are only lower than ever before among free to moderate gold syndicates because of how inflated they were for the two or three events with free demons. No more free demons will have an obvious result.

Among the top spending syndicates, they are roughly where they'd be expected to be in comparison to syndicates that don't pay for anything. And rightly so.

People spending nothing shouldn't be competing at the same level as those who do spend. And I say that as someone who spends nothing. If I were a spender and Joe Bloe Free-Player were competing at the same level, it would take all of half a second for me to realize my spend isn't actually buying anything. Even people with thousands of dollars of disposable income don't spend it on things that provide zero return of any kind, tangible, virtual or otherwise.

Farming demons didn't give free players a chance to compete with top teams, they will always be untouchable. The only thing it did was giving ACTIVE people an edge over those who login less. Nothing more, nothing less. And it was a great addition.

[Evan1000]

They would of course be getting a far better indy rank prize than any free player would dream of. That should be why they continue to spend.

I wouldn't call a 1% mafia attack for first place far better than a 1% melee attack for the T2k. I know a guy in a T3 that said if it wasn't for his syn requirements he wouldn't have even bothered with SA, much less spent gold.