[Official Feedback] Epic Boss Meets Hero Equip

[Lys]

31 Dec 2014 Edit

Thus far, XP seems lower. HP seems [s]a bit lower[/s] the exact ****ing same... seriously?! For those who think their Epic Boss attack boosts are not all calculated, please don't forget that we've had temporary bonuses and GREE doesn't seem to remove it from your listing, even after they have expired.

Damage is as follows

FREE HIT = ~66.6% of Gold Hit
GOLD HIT = (Hero Equip Power + Hero Strength/2) * Boost
GEM HIT = 4x Gold Hit

End Edit

It sucks worse than any Dyson vacuum cleaner I've ever seen, and those things got some major sucking power to them.

I'll openly admit I've more than overspent during my time playing this game. Somewhere in the vicinity of probably $4,000 lifetime spent on my account. So, I could easily tackle the Epic Bosses? I PAID for that to happen. If my damage boost % to the Epic Boss (One of which was paid for via quite a hefty amount of gems one event, I might add) is useless, because I'm doing so little damage now that a +19% doesn't do crap anymore... why?

You've completely invalidated all of that above spending. My account might as well be a newbie's for all that it matters, as I'm already struggling through the Epic Boss event now at the late 30s and early 40s... I didn't spend all of my money so that I could have a hard time of the game, I was paying to win, as is the focus of pay to win app games. If you think otherwise, open your eyes.

Thanks for killing the game. I've been quite vocal in my past criticism, but I hadn't put it down yet. Well, now I am. This was the final straw, and for ****s and giggles, I'm also going to leave another 1 star review on this app. Because, let's face it, you all are worse than EA when it comes to handling games. This is the worst fumbling of something I've ever seen, and not even Tadaaah's experience on FF 14 Rebirth is going to save your pathetic arses from this bungling.

Thanks for telling me my $$$ don't matter at all, and that I've wasted all of this time playing this game. Checking out for the final time, because you're not even worth the effort it takes to type this out anymore.

- Lys

Below are additions from the conversation that are pretty bloody important.

Just checked my notes....even back in April i was capable to kill a lv 100 with 8 gold hits....now its 13

From a player I know in regards to the HP changes made to the EB... A heavy gemming player. This is too far of an increase.

The changes to Epic Boss are meant as a way to bring something new to the game and reengage players in this event without having to replace it with a new event type. Our active players with giant armies who have been playing the game for a long time will have hero items powerful enough to compete, if not dominate, in the event as they always have. While we have chosen our oldest single event to get this revamp player's armies are in no way devalued as they still play a major part in Raid Boss and Conquest events.

Derez, it would be great if you came to this forum and explain why this statement you made is not true.

Also, please explain in detail how this has not devalued our accounts.

Answer, please. This event is back to how it was when I was a free player, not a gemmer.

To the developers

Whilst we appreciate the need to continually move events forward in line with the average growth on accounts, it seems, yet again, that the calculations used for the EB may have been over the top. When our top and oldest accounts have struggled to actually finish this quest to 100 kills, there is very little hope for the rest of the guild who do not have the benefit of the health regeneration on our oldest accounts.

Based on your new format of EB, the changes and percentage increased compared to old format EB was close to 1500% increase. How does that make any sense for such a huge jump in difficulty for EB from the new and old. We can understand there is a need to increase, however the main issue that went wrong was how much it was increased, 1500% is just totally ridiculous, unfair and unreasonable at all, it totally does not make any common and reasonable sense. On top of that, the rewards given for the increase are not even close to comparable too, the rewards really lack the attractiveness for players to do the event. So please readjust the EB to make it reasonable for all the KA players and also please put in some focus on the rewards to match up the level of difficult better.

Our choice therefore seems to be.. Spend gems to complete or simply not bother wasting the time involved in the quest.

Given the new strategy during war that you are pursuing, and the requirement for 1500 plus items of headwear, footwear and artifacts.. Would it not make more sense to offer some of these items, even low stats ones during the event to make it more appealing to users, in which case they may consider using gems, instead of one item of not great strength at the end of heroic quest.

After last months example of a 'collect 21 items' quest, it is unlikely many people will even attempt the master slayer quest this cycle.. Again, another source of lost gems.

Also.. As you will notice the figures on the LB for the normal box quest are still exceedingly low.. Again.. Last cycle, so many of us spent far too many gems, to not even be able to finish the quest.. We are still individually awaiting a response from yourselves on this.. Our tickets were closed after they were passed to specialists for replies, which have to date been not forthcoming.

We welcome your attempts to keep our attention in the game. Perhaps it is time to reevaluate the players and input you receive from your beta testers.. Possibly they are not the correct demographic of players to give you accurate feedback.

Hoping these comments are helpful and explain our concern..

Rising Phoenix

P.S: we also emailed a copy of the letter to Gree too.

Nicely sums up things in an eloquent manner.

Dear Gree,

I am writing this letter on behalf of the Kingdom Age Community. The intention is to make you aware of our disgust regarding the changes to the Epic Boss. As you are well aware, many here in guild have spent obscene amounts of money as well as thousands of hours of our time to make some of the most competitive accounts in the game. The new format Gree has adopted to run its Epic boss event has erased the time, effort and money many of KAs top players have put forth. Players who were able to take down a level 100 last EB with a couple of free hits, now find themselves using 6 or 7 free hits to take down a level 66 boss. This new format is ridiculous and clearly illustrates the disconnect between Gree and its players. This event gave players a chance to watch their toons grow and move further and further through the event without having to spend and spend.

On a whim, Gree has once again given players a reason to contemplate retiring from this game. This change just like the numerous other changes as of late was not asked for nor was it needed. If the intention of the company is to ruin and or end this game than just pull the plug already. The current actions and or course you are taking has already hit your company where it hurts, forcing those who already spend to constantly increase their investment will only cause burnout and loss of revenue for your company.

The new war format has run a couple of cycles now and people are getting used to it and changing their strategy for build their accounts accordingly. However this change has rendered low level toons useless and set higher level toons back to nearly zero. We are requesting that the previous format for Epic Boss be reinstated. Changing so many characteristics of the game is not fair to those who have invested so much.

Below you will find a list (which is growing every minute) of guilds who support this letter and its purpose.

Sincerely,


Forum United Nation
Forum United Nation 2
Original Dutch Bitterball
Raiding Barbarian Nation
Royal FUA Knights
The Abusement Park
Warlord
Royal Knights
Fire Metal Blood
Samurai Blood
Samurai Blood USA
Samurai Blood 2.0
Samurai Blood 4.0
SB King Queens Jokers
Samurai Blood 3
Royal Knights Paladins
Minions of Mayhem
Royal KG Knights
Royal Knight XW
The Raiding Barbarians
Dragon Warriors
Muff Marauders
Rose Warriors
Back to the Future
The Phoenix Knights
Gods of Valhalla
Red Dawn Dragons
Hero Quest
The Sailing Alpacas

I spy... the Top 3 guilds. And the Top 10. And most of the Top 25... are there even any gemmers left outside of these groups?

I do understand, and I take much of the responsibility here for not communicating with you guys on that thread. The Development Team IS aware of the feedback, particularly that from the top guilds. I will continue to stress the feedback to them.

So, they're aware, but choosing not to comment on the matter at this time, it seems. Then again... there is no right answer or anything they could say that wouldn't lead to them getting bit in the ass in some manner, I suppose.

[Sim]

Agreed this is the biggest change up on Gree's part yet. Put it back the way it was.

[Clementine]

Please leave your feedback here for the new format of Epic Boss, which now utilizes the new Hero Equip.

There currently is a known issue effecting EB, which is detailed here.

[truthteller]

@ Clementine, I copied this from a post I did on another thread, since this is the official one

it was told by Derez or another of the dev that those players that dominated the event would still be able to dominate the EB event after the changes were implemented, so please..........

Can someone at GREEd please clarify how the new EB twist is "the same" for those players that dominated the event before the change??

I have a guild member that use to finish boss 100 with 1 free hit..............he is now only at boss 55 and already using 6 hits..................
I myself took 3 free hits for boss 100........and now I am only at boss 20 using 2 hits

How is that "the same" for players that dominated the event??????????

Update on EB..........
at boss 34 taking 4 free hits doing 400+ damage per hit..........and it seems that boss 100 will have about 7,500 HP............so that does not look like I am "dominating" the event as stated by Gree employees

[bird1992]

These is just to much of a change to fast.. I understand game needs change but not this much at once Top players Not saying I'm one But as much money and endless hours lots have put into this game to get there toon's built up to just dropped back this far Now will have spend that all over in crafting to keep up stats in this new system is bad

[Lys]

These is just to much of a change to fast.. I understand game needs change but not this much at once Top players Not saying I'm one But as much money and endless hours lots have put into this game to get there toon's built up to just dropped back this far Now will have spend that all over in crafting to keep up stats in this new system is bad

What's fun is that I was close to 1 hitting lv 100 bosses for free (I could with gold, but not for free yet) and I have gotten the artifacts from the raid boss, best weapon and armor available in game, and I've crafted the best boots and helm available in the workshop... and I'm already taking 4 hits per boss now in the late 30s or so.

This is a bloody sham, and is actually worse than the first time I gemmed an EB to completion... I was making more progress then, and still spent almost 8,000 gems in the end. No way am I completing this one.

[B1RD]

Absolute horrendous effort by GREEd in an effort to...what? Level the playing field? Drum up new players to come to the game? Make loyal customers stay playing and albeit spending as much as some do and have?

Once again, GREEd, keep spending no time and effort to screw things up rather than be respectable and spend the correct amount of time to do things right.

Oh yes, I'm quite sure this will make so many more come to this game and make so many loyal players stay in it as well. (Please read that as sarcasm as I'm quite sure you may not get it)

[Vclone]

I understand that the game had to change. I get the boxes and crafting. But, if you are going to make my 2 years of atk increases irrelevant, you should at least allow a skill reset.

The EB now uses the skill points and Hero Equipment in a way that none of us planned. We are not equipped or prepared for this. We have worked to increase our stats in other ways to make the EB possible, like Lys did. Now you ask us to change horses, but you don't allow us to bring our shiny and polished saddle and reins.

The change to the EB is another short sighted action that is killing my interest in the game.

[Uberfauker]

The changes to Epic Boss are meant as a way to bring something new to the game and reengage players in this event without having to replace it with a new event type. Our active players with giant armies who have been playing the game for a long time will have hero items powerful enough to compete, if not dominate, in the event as they always have. While we have chosen our oldest single event to get this revamp player's armies are in no way devalued as they still play a major part in Raid Boss and Conquest events.

Derez, it would be great if you came to this forum and explain why this statement you made is not true.

Also, please explain in detail how this has not devalued our accounts.

[E-I]

This EB event is poop. It sucks, and is just further proof of how out of touch Gree is with its player base.

[achilles12]

if you could kill with one free hit or 2 hits now will take 17 to 20 gold hits units are not even being use at all this is just to crazy

[Cloud22]

I'm not sure why gree did not believe us when we told them this was a horrible idea. Only reason I see is for more money, plain and simple. L100 boss has bout 10k health now. I was beating L100 bosses in 2 free hits, now takes 20 with this new damage. As expected this is very disappointing, and can only hope Gree see there mistake and change it back to the way it was!!

[FrostedHate]

I like so many others here have spent large amounts of my hard earned money to build my player. It was nice having an event where I didn't have to spend money because I was strong enough to complete it with gold and free hits. I had such high hopes after the last couple of epic bosses having battle refills added in and such. That was a positive change. With this boss all of the positives have been erased. I won't be spending gems to finish this. This latest change for the worse by devs further highlights how out of touch you are with your player base. You ponder why people are leaving and think that new features are needed and that will make it better. In reality if you were to ensure that existing events worked the way they are supposed to and provided open, timely, and accurate information all the time this game would be so much healthier. As it is you are driving it into the ground since you don't listen to what the players want because you think you know better. We, the players tell you all the time what we want and you ignore it.


*rant over*

[Vclone]

I'm not sure why gree did not believe us when we told them this was a horrible idea. Only reason I see is for more money, plain and simple. L100 boss has bout 10k health now. I was beating L100 bosses in 2 free hits, now takes 20 with this new damage. As expected this is very disappointing, and can only hope Gree see there mistake and change it back to the way it was!!

Or change it in a way that makes sense. Those of us who have been playing for a long time should not have to start over.

[Jomama1]

And the message to new players is "don't gem as gree will change the game and make your investment useless".

So what possible good purpose could this serve?

You punish your big spenders and scare the new players.

Just shut the game down if you want to kill it. Don't screw with us like this....