Tadaah

I appreciate you are new to Admin and are doubtless unaware of previous Game history.

I personally and as a TAW player am against any form of cheating and any benefits derived from such.

Saying that. The player in question was in SAS for 2 battles, IF IF he is a cheater then is a fair call to say he cheated while he was there. YET SAS had no complaints nor took any action

SAS claim they booted him ...shrug....maybe he said he wanted to leave so they just got rid of him

Once he was out did SAS report him to Gree. NO, once he joined TAW they had a change of heart and wanted him back.

Failing that during one battle they had a sas player ready to take screen shots of any "unusual activity" 7 minutes out of 4320 minutes. How convenient And 22 hours before the end of the event

Did SAS say anything NO. If the are so opposed to cheating why not speak up and report it?

That a alleged cheater was still in the game is a result of SAS's inaction why should others have to pay the price for sas inaction?

Not changing the prize or the Winners list would send out a far better warning to ALL players that this sort of behaviour both in cheating and protecting cheaters is no longer tolerated in this game

If players know something REPORT IT don't try and take advantage by silence which in effect is just another form of cheating .

Full support here, and I'm not even particularly fond of either team involved in this dispute.

Maybe Gree is FOR cheating when it is part of a syndicate's strategy to sabotage another syndicate. Crime (city) pays.

The decision was made based on the information we have on hand. As stated, we will not be investigating all previous events. Additionally, future events will be handled on a case by case basis.

We have zero tolerance for players that choose to use unapproved actions to earn/gain desired results.

Finally someone has said it!

If SAS has balls they should give up the prizes and IP etc they got for ALL events that they played with the hacker. The player hacked IP I am sure he hacked everything else, you don't see SAS willing to give that up, only asking for stuff they think they deserve. Yet you morons support them.

SAS man up, give up the prizes that you got due to hacker.

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Originally Posted by Tadaaah

The decision was made based on the information we have on hand. As stated, we will not be investigating all previous events. Additionally, we future events will be handled on a case by case basis.

We have zero tolerance for players that choose to use unapproved actions to earn/gain desired results.

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I think the best course for gree is doing nothing and prevent all possible hacks in the future. This hacker was with sas for two wars and obviously gree can do nothing about historical results. This time u give sas prize just because they r good at whining? I just can't believe gree logic. It's so unfair to other syndicate and players

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Originally Posted by Don'tPostPersonalInfo:D

I think the best course for gree is doing nothing and prevent all possible hacks in the future. This hacker was with sas for two wars and obviously gree can do nothing about historical results. This time u give sas prize just because they r good at whining? I just can't believe gree logic. It's so unfair to other syndicate and players

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It only affected both 1st and 2nd place. We would have corrected more if need be. As a result, we also changed all the individual rewards as well.

Solemn Carnage deserves at least two Top 2 prizes.

Just to save time how many points are you deducting from the TAW total?

Tam, you're a joke.

TAW just got robbed. Plain and simple.

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Originally Posted by OmgMileyCyrus

Tam, you're a joke.

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If he was fighting and spending gold getting points then he deserves to be credited with those points, after all he used gold to get them, the same as every other player who used gold

After all, isn't that the assumption, that he obtained points by some other means?

If so how many points are in question?

Tam you and I talked at length via phone convo last night. As I appreciate the game face what you posted in your original thread is simply not true and you know it. You know who I am and you know where I stand but really? Keep it all factual and truthful. I can discredit anything you say and you know it. So really just stop!!!

To clarify, SAS booted the player once it was apparent he was a hacker. They don't have psychic abilities to forsee someone being a hacker until they reveal it.

I have just been informed by a member of SAS that they did report this player to Gree.
If this information is correct, why didnt Gree take any action at the time.
Also when we asked Gree if this player was 'clean' we were assured by Gree that they were.

SAS booted him on the spot. We have 60 players that can vouch for that and screens of the booting.

We also made it a huge thing and the leader of SAS posted his player booting the player in question in our notifications room.

We made it clear SAS does not tolerate hacking in any way shape or form

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Originally Posted by Keapa

If he was fighting and spending gold getting points then he deserves to be credited with those points, after all he used gold to get them, the same as every other player who used gold

After all, isn't that the assumption, that he obtained points by some other means?

If so how many points are in question?

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So you won't object if SAS sets up a grid of computers in the next battle, scores at his rate of scoring (16.5m per hour) and see SAS go from zero points to 165m points in the final 5 minutes of the weekend?

I mean, they will still pay for the gold, so that makes it OK, right?

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Originally Posted by Banger

TAW just got robbed. Plain and simple.

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Not really. In fact, TAW got lucky. Every other time a hacker has been busted in a syndicate war (HellCalls Group in CC, this past weekend in KA, etc) all of their IP was deducted. TAW is fortunate to still have prizes that only SAS should have received (the first place +2 energy mod).

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Originally Posted by Keapa

I have just been informed by a member of SAS that they did report this player to Gree.
If this information is correct, why didnt Gree take any action at the time.
Also when we asked Gree if this player was 'clean' we were assured by Gree that they were.

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Pretty sure I told you this last week. Regarding your other questions, you'll have to take those up with Gree.

So SAS, the team that name means the same as hacking/cheating for this game gets to have Gree go back in time to give them prize but not to take away all prizes from all of there past cheating… Stupid decision like this is why so many are quitting the games and not spending money to Gree anymore!

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Originally Posted by montecore

Pretty sure I told you this last week. Regarding your other questions, you'll have to take those up with Gree.

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If Gree is going to make a stand in regards to hackers suspect accounts etc, then they need to do so when they are informed about any such player.

If for example that player had been reported to Gree a week before a battle , then we ask Gree if there is anything about that account, get told no. We include them in our syndicate in the belief Gree has given then a clean bill of health.
It's a bit late to then arbitrarily decide to change a battle result.
It's not a deliberate act by TAW to obtain an advantage, we fought and obtained what we thought were enough points to win in the belief that all points were rightfully obtained

If I remember there are posts on forums about Montecoer and SAS hack a "player database" along with Gallery of Rogues to cheat. They admitted it in public so he should be ban in game! Who's know what they use it for to cheat for matches and hacking!

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Originally Posted by montecore

So you won't object if SAS sets up a grid of computers in the next battle, scores at his rate of scoring (16.5m per hour) and see SAS go from zero points to 165m points in the final 5 minutes of the weekend?

I mean, they will still pay for the gold, so that makes it OK, right?

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You could have used a more sensible example : such as
Players who used iPad Air and can go 4 x faster than a player using an iPad 2 creates an inequality in a players ability to obtain points. That both players use gold to get those points is accepted by players

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Originally Posted by Keapa

If Gree is going to make a stand in regards to hackers suspect accounts etc, then they need to do so when they are informed about any such player.

If for example that player had been reported to Gree a week before a battle , then we ask Gree if there is anything about that account, get told no.

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You sure about that? Reports indicate you let the player in question provide you with a fake ticket from
GREE (with the wrong date at the top lmao) and you didn't report him yourself even after SAS warned TAW.

So you let the player report himself after SAS told TAW he was booted out of SAS for hacking... During his interview where you could have still denied him access into TAW! Lol

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Originally Posted by Cooler

If I remember there are posts on forums about Montecoer and SAS hack a "player database" along with Gallery of Rogues to cheat. They admitted it in public so he should be ban in game! Who's know what they use it for to cheat for matches and hacking!

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Let's not get SAS's admitted glitching, admitted hacking into players' accounts and the "database" confused - as they were three separate instances of SAS "not tolerating" cheating.

Edit: to be fair to SAS, I didn't consider their database to be cheating since it didn't provide any sort of meaningful advantage.

Taddah can you please tell me how many points you are removing from TAW

Thank you in advance

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Originally Posted by SilentAssassin

You sure about that? Reports indicate you let the player in question provide you with a fake ticket from
GREE (with the wrong date at the top lmao) and you didn't report him yourself even after SAS warned TAW.

So you let the player report himself after SAS told TAW he was booted out of SAS for hacking... During his interview where you could have still denied him access into TAW! Lol

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Having Monty say. An ex SAS member is a hacker whilst being unable to provide a name, is not much of a warning. Especially when you consider the source

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Originally Posted by Keapa

SAS member is a hacker

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Seems redundant.

Can we just all agree that both SAS and TAW would report hackers the other team has, but not necessarily report hackers they have?

If it's true that SAS used the hacker for previous battles & TAW used him for this last one then both syndicates are unethical... Give first place to whoever got third lol

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Originally Posted by OmgMileyCyrus

Tam, you're a joke.

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Lol. You nailed it!

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Originally Posted by Zincincpink

Can we just all agree that both SAS and TAW would report hackers the other team has, but not necessarily report hackers they have?

If it's true that SAS used the hacker for previous battles & TAW used him for this last one then both syndicates are unethical... Give first place to whoever got third lol

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TAW sent an inquiry to Gree before letting him in syndicate. Gree cleared him. He was brought into the syndicate.

There isn't a syndicate in cc that would trust SAS word at face value. This is clearly an error on Gree's part.

SAS cried in unison for the past 2 weeks. New mod doesn't know crying is typical in SAS and rushed his decision.

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Originally Posted by The Governor

TAW sent an inquiry to Gree before letting him in syndicate. Gree cleared him. He was brought into the syndicate.

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No, TAW let the player report himself.
We have comfirmation from someone within TAW about this. TAW didn't in fact report.

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Originally Posted by The Governor

New mod doesn't know crying is typical in SAS and rushed his decision.

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I want to explain how this works. Management in GREE makes a decision, MOD informs the people of the decision management made.
MOD did not make the decision. MOD is doing his job relaying the decision and then relaying back what we say to management.

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Originally Posted by SilentAssassin

No, TAW let the player report himself.
We have comfirmation from someone within TAW about this. TAW didn't in fact report.

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No as usual u are incorrect. U see unlike Tadaaah we don't just believe SAS just because they are always the loudest criers. We sent an inquiry to Gree.

I want to explain how this works. Management in GREE makes a decision, MOD informs the people of the decision management made.
MOD did not make the decision. MOD is doing his job relaying the decision and then relaying back what we

Right. ... kinda like Vlad and Ian didn't make the decision to access Baddad's account

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Originally Posted by The Governor

Right. ... kinda like Vlad and Ian didn't make the decision to access Baddad's account

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Hey, whoa now... SAS stated as fact that all those screenshots were shopped, and that doctoring screen grabs is a piece of cake.

Maybe that explains the lack of screenshots posted in this thread, edited for privacy of course.

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Let me get this right. SAS warns TAW about a cheating player. TAW send an inquiry to Gree. Gree's response was there are no issues with this player. He is cleared. TAW brings him on, then 2 weeks after war is over Gree says SAS is now awarded first prize? Gree this is a new low for you. Truly pathetic!

Fix this GREE! This is your problem, TAW shouldn't get penalized. You said that there were no issues with that person when they asked. Take responsibility!

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If you're going to try injecting logic into this, it's Gree's fault the game can be hacked in the first place. Therefore, no player should be penalized due to the actions of a hacker, and certainly no player should after-the-fact benefit from any actions of a hacker.

Oh shucks, I think I forgot which thread I was just reading.

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Originally Posted by Tadaaah

The decision was made based on the information we have on hand. As stated, we will not be investigating all previous events. Additionally, future events will be handled on a case by case basis.

We have zero tolerance for players that choose to use unapproved actions to earn/gain desired results.

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If TAW knew there were a hacker on board, why would we risk ip of 120mill, and why would we take a break for 4 hours on monday as we thought the points put up would be enough to keep SAS away from Victory and secure overall win.

Its a shame that all the whinning has lead to this decision, and its a shame that hackers can exsist in the game, hope you sort it out in the future.

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Originally Posted by The Governor

Right. ... kinda like Vlad and Ian didn't make the decision to access Baddad's account

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If those who made that tread had posted the whole convo, u would see it was Ians own decision and against the other officers saying, V said no to do it. Instead they chose to make their own partial, twisted truth. A few hours later, Ian was Rogues.

Btw, the hacker did the same against another player and this was also told taw. Since they did not cared, I guess its not a big deal really?

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Originally Posted by evj

If those who made that tread had posted the whole convo, u would see it was Ians own decision and against the other officers saying, V said no to do it. Instead they chose to make their own partial, twisted truth. A few hours later, Ian was Rogues.

Btw, the hacker did the same against another player and this was also told taw. Since they did not cared, I guess its not a big deal really?

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Wait. ...I thought you said the whole conversation was photo shopped? So now u are admitting it was real?

This is exactly what I thought. U guys accessed and stole from this players account now u are saying a hacker named Ian who was a member of SAS at the time hacked his account.

Tadaaah you have no clue what you are dealing with. Anyone in any of the top syndicates in cc can tell you this is typical SAS.

While you spend time researching a player Gree cleared before war you should spend some time researching all the complaints posted everytime things don't work out in their favor.

While you are at it research how many times they've deliberately matched with SAS2. Then look at how many attack losses SAS2 had during that match verses their losses when matched with any other team including TAW

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Originally Posted by The Governor

Wait. ...I thought you said the whole conversation was photo shopped? So now u are admitting it was real?

This is exactly what I thought. U guys accessed and stole from this players account now u are saying a hacker named Ian who was a member of SAS at the time hacked his account.

Tadaaah you have no clue what you are dealing with. Anyone in any of the top syndicates in cc can tell you this is typical SAS.

While you spend time researching a player Gree cleared before war you should spend some time researching all the complaints posted everytime things don't work out in their favor.

While you are at it research how many times they've deliberately matched with SAS2. Then look at how many attack losses SAS2 had during that match verses their losses when matched with any other team including TAW

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This is an old story and old news. Its explained over and over and over. It kind of ended with Baddads dead and resurrection. If u haven't got the whole story yet, u should do some more research in the forum. U find the answers here.

If SAS is such a terrible hacker team, why have we never had a player banned, never lost a prize from any events, why have never an ex-member posted ss of hacked ip, use of energy glitches (as some of taws officers did), why do we deny proven hackers a spot in SAS, why do we kick players admitting cheats, hacks or violating Gree's TOS?

Maybe because we aren't? Open your mind an inch or two, I promise your narrow world will open up and give you a lot more interesting and stimulating life and insight.

May it be so simple as we want to be a clean team, fight fair with strategy and brain power?

Believe it or not :)