change the game.

I for one am getting rather fed up with the way the game is, because there are far to many things that need changing, that are effecting the game for me and other players.

A. top alliances are completly ruining the servers.
they don't fight each other, they just hit lower people, every hit on my base on my server have been from the top 4 alliances or thier sister alliances, all using epic commanders and the best weapons available and 4-5 levels higher, stop rewarding AP for hits on people who are far weaker.
B. too much reliance on gold
I have no chance of getting a Uranium drill or Titanium, or a level 80+ commander, this is completly rediculous to even fight this stuff, top player on our server just teleport in, and kill and teleport out again, and solo half the top 20 alliances.

C.stupidity involving respawn rates and build time, and game rules
respawn rates, why are you punishing people for being hit in a specific building?
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20% respawn rate for being hit in a command centre? why? there in no differance in anything, the defending player has no control over which stuff is hit, stop punishing them, with stupidity like this, get hit in another building it is 40-50%. - do away with this 20% junk, completly unneeded.
B.
build speed for units, ties in with point 1 in this, it is a complete joke that someone can hit you with ONE WAVE and wipe out over 2 days worth of units, because it takes forever to rebuild anything that isn't a jeep or a tank.
C.
the 5 level rule, this needs to go, a 33 or 34 player may just be researching titans/hellfires, and yet a guy 4-5 levels higher is using them on you, a player at 33-34 needs to get to the 16-18 NPc's for cores, and just get steamrolled by pay2winners 4-5 levels higher for cheap AP, stop rewarding this rubbish.
D.
Top alliances not fighting each other, and just farming using the above.
E. the defender gets nothing.

all this above is leading to the problem, I got nothing myself to hit, because all the people that have spent money are 37-44, there is no targets around 29-34 that are active, there are many destroyed bases of players at 13-15.
these people have quit because of these reasons, why should they play a game that they can't actually play?

your others games do not punish you in this way? I dont need to waste 2-3 days rebuilding on crime city or modern war because someone attacked me, I repair and move on, it has little effect on my game, therfore players can do what they got the game for, and PLAY.

most of this could be resolved with common sence, like changing the AP gain rules to 2 levels after 30 so it is players at a similar level, in similar areas.
and making units build quicker the higher the factory.
and please allow us to chose which Commander is defending, i have ones that need leveling and it always fights the ones at max level.
and stop with these stupid missions to build insignificant ammunts of insignificant units.

Your theories are flawed.

Faster build times = more units for the higher level guys. It does, however, suck for 10k or even 20k-30k units to get wiped by a single attack from a Level 70 Nikolai when all you have are maxed out 50's. Send two waves and there goes 40-60k units. It is disheartening to watch over 2k HH, Cents, hailstorms, 3k arty, hawks, 5k helos, tanks, jeeps wiped by 200 arty, 200 hawks, 150 RT, 50 HH, 150 Helos, 100 Tanks and 100 Jeeps. What's sad is this is a level 40 person attacking level 39's. Difference is gold. They would be nothing without gold. I'm not against gold as someone has to pay for the game. But the scales are definitely tipped unlike a game like Crime City as you say. You won't win an event but your money isn't certainly wiped out and requires you to wait a week.

This is a gold game. The non-gold spenders are made to quit the game while the gold boys get stronger. Then it will be only gold players and mega gold players. Mega gold players will wipe out the casual gold boys and then when there are only two or three of them left, poof.

World 4 is a prime example to all of this. There were at one time 3 difference alliances with many sister alliances. NWO, SYC, and TUJ. NWO had 3, SYC had about 8 and TUJ had 3 sister alliances. They were all allied with each other until... two players in NWO decided it was time to wipe out SYC. In less than 24 hours the majority of SYC was bubbled, capped or had quit the game and three of the mega gold players were the ones that did most of the damage. Then recently the NWO organization crumbled. NWO1 wiped out the majority of NWO2. 1/3 of their players either quit the game or went to a new world. The NWO1 mega gold guys started their own alliance and many of the NWO1 guys have now quit playing. NWO3 has split off and doing their own thing. TUJ had a crumbling within also.

Now you have the mega gold guys crying they need to save the world. They spent too much money here to let it die and they will wipe out anyone that doesn't go with their dictatorship.

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it is a complete joke that someone can hit you with ONE WAVE and wipe out over 2 days worth of units, because it takes forever to rebuild anything that isn't a jeep or a tank.

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Commanders make it or break it. I have a few level 50's that will wipe out 3m UV worth of units in one hit. Another is tactics. I have a few different tactics I have yet too see anyone else really using. Wipes out every unit in the OP with 200k losses and you can use any level 30 or 40 commander you want.

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E. the defender gets nothing.

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This was a problem. From the start defenders got nothing. This was a major flaw in the game because all of the bigger alliances demolished the weaker guys. I got hit by 15 waves of units. I lost 0. They lost 150k or more. Not very fair that I would have not gotten any ap.

it isn't that flawed, everyone can get level 10 factories, this would allow people to get through the timed missions quicker, and the pain of lost units would be less.
people will not play a game where they are just an AP farm.
Gold this gold, that, anything that, the gap between the causual and the gold user needs to be reduced. i got an Epic from a senior recruit, from coming 24th in the last event, it has a top level of 40, yet gold users get them with top level 50, and my chances of getting another epic of the same name to merge without gold are near nought.

Just attack. The game favors attacking. If you don't like waiting for building things, play multiple worlds, is not hard to cycle through them. That's all there is to it. The game is all about unit value so even as a lower level you can, with the right units, win battles against anyone. They game is made specifically this way to create activity. Otherwise peopl would just make AP defending without even playing the game.

The big thing I call BS on this is breaking Occupations. If player 1 occupies players 2 outpost and player 2 reinforces that base the next fight is considered a defense. Players 1 forces are sounding players 2 command center and just lets players 2 units go by without a fight. BULL S**T!!!!!!!!

There are a large number of conflicts from world history where someone lays siege to a city when a reinforcing army for the city arrives. The reinforcing army was not just let in, they had to attack the sieging army to get to the city.

Anyone whom tries to break a occupation should result in an battle when the units arrive to break the occupation and should be considered an attacker for AP and rebuilds.

Yea, because my 4 day old outpost with a few Thousand units, is going to beat established superbases, containing multiple 10's of thousands while they are in a top server on the alliance.
you can not "just attack" because you ten get your alliance spammed by gold users with Nickolais
but it isn't about me, it is about the fact servers are always dying, (giving me nothing to actually attack ;)) because top alliances just farm everyone 4-5 levels lower while Ignoring each other.

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but it isn't about me, it is about the fact servers are always dying, (giving me nothing to actually attack ;)) because top alliances just farm everyone 4-5 levels lower while Ignoring each other.

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I think you just hit on something. Excellent profit model! The worlds are always dying out. What happens then? The gold buys have to go to another world to fight any more. What do they do? Spend more gold to build up quickly to beat the ones already there. Genius! Absolutely genius!

I understand some of your points.

But this game is a pay2win.They manipulate you psycologically at the best so they can make you pay to get the best from the game. Some people fall for it. But some of them they enjoy that. Others cannotdo anything, its something like a drug addiction.

But gree made a 'alternative' solution for almost all your problems: new worlds. If possible, try to carry everything you learned from the game so far and start in the newest world. You certainly have alot more chances in a fresh world. Get cores asap(this is a thing that i regret not rushing), always keep your units moving around, so they will not be targeted, get ap fast, and join a top 10 alliance asap.

For me, changing world worked perfectly. I was playing in a fairly old world, ive played for 2 weeks, and i got alot frustrated about being targeted hard by top 5 aliances, and having no one to target. I changed to a new world(at the time), i learned alot from my previous world, and now im in a top 3 alliance, and i have 0 problems about being targeted by top players. Sometimes we have wars against others top 3 alliances, but is all about fun.

Some of people that started in world 1 when the game was just released, are total free players, and they are in the top 3 alliances.

You can be a top player without gold. Just need to be in the top alliances so you have the backup of those that use gold...

If you don't like waiting for construction things, play multiple worlds, is not hard to cycle through them. That's all there is to it. The game is all about unit worth so even as a lesser grade you can, with the right flats, win assaults against any individual. They game is made expressly this way to conceive undertaking. else people would just make AP holding safe without even playing the game.




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A few suggestions to change things:

1) Just getting a higher rebuild when attacked by a member of a top ten alliance or top player in a world could help change things. Right now i am within 5 levels of the top players but there is a vast difference in AP, I have 54 million and the top players are hitting 1 billion. Yet the level difference is only about 4 levels.

2) Unique bobby awards. The bottom players/alliances get boosts in an event so long as they have been active in that PVP event. (I thought about gold but that is not world specif, so you will get some to put in a token appearance and then use the gold in another world.)

3) Sensor tower over lap improvement. When you have more than one sensor tower, even if they are at multiple bases, that can pick up an incoming attack at one of your or an allies base you can launch an attack at it.

4) Freeing an occupied base is at attack not an reinforcement action. Your alpha base is occupied and you send units to free it, they have to battle their way into the command center. Thus the troops do not have to wait for the next Occupation battle.

I dont understand why people always crying...

I started 1/2 days after w5 released.
I never used gold, and get enough intelligence to join asap a strong faction.

This one finished first at start, and everyone was at the same point.

Today, im on first faction, maybe truly fearing others.

But for those who started when your server released, i must say the problem is behind your device...

For the others, sorry for you, game is unbalaned if your start 1 month after, nothing new...

I started on my server from day 1, got into a top alliance at the time, which went inactive, and nothing to hit around me.

top Alliance are just treating players as thier own personal AP farms.
and also this game relies on a fair chunk of luck, in getting cores then move onto another area, to get better cores, which you have to find on a terrible map.
if something slows you down, then you are stuck, simple as. gold users don't have that problem.
and "EPIC" commanders? why do some have top level 50 and some top level 40?
I'm Ambitious, yet go anywhere near where i need to be to get cores, instant top alliance steamroll for AP, and the wrong cores dropping.

Gree must know by now, what the problems are. They are either unable to change things, or don't want to.
It would be nice to see some feed back on here from them to say what they are planning to do, so the unhappy players about to leave are given a reason to hold on because things are going to get fixed.

I want gree to try a world powered from adverts not gold, so no gold use and no elite commanders from compertions no defence or attack buffs as compertion prizes. Just the core game. Which could be great if gold use was limited or removed
Add to that a world with a gold buy in but if you do their are much better 30 day rewards.

I would like to see other events besides the same thing over and over. Maybe they can have a Jeep and tank only war, or no troop movement other than attack during battles or maybe a battle where only common commander are used. Just something to change it up. There used to be npc damage wars and npc raid wars but not anymore. Just please change it up some.

Why not a defensive ap compertion, it's very hard to get and very expensive to get lol,
with unit rebuild rates😔

Its hard to come up with a compertion that could be won by any player willing to put the effort in.
Say the number of battle wins defence and attack, wins in a set time adjusted buy commander numbers?

Best kill to commander ratio so the minimum units and commander to get the highest unit kill adjusted for commander level. Against npc targets.

Fastest attack rate in a very limited time, say 5 mins or less but within a 24hr time this is adjusted by commander numbers and number of bases a player has. So a player must organise multi hits to take place within the 5 mins of time but any time within the 24 hrs he can retry as often as he wants. As distance to target is not the problem but timing of the attacks to hit within the 5 min time to max their score the game would have to record attacks then find the players peak at the end of the compertion or every few hours. All this against npc bases
It could just be the number of attacks that take place and the player with the highest cluster of attacks in the shortest time wins. Or include unit value killed.

People need to learn how to defend. If you keep 20k units in one op of course they will get slaughtered. Our alliance on the whole successfully fends off attacks by lev 80 commanders using lev 60 commanders. Look at your commanders and their attributes. Use the right type and amount of troops and things look up quickly!

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People need to learn how to defend. If you keep 20k units in one op of course they will get slaughtered. Our alliance on the whole successfully fends off attacks by lev 80 commanders using lev 60 commanders. Look at your commanders and their attributes. Use the right type and amount of troops and things look up quickly!

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+1. This gentleman gets it.

I've got an idea for everyone who is demanding all these radical game changes and freaking out over how "unbalanced" the game is. Here it is.. you ready? Get a pen and paper, cause this is about to blow your minds...

Stop wasting time crying on here and actually spend time learning the mechanics of the game and how to play it.

..or just quit and save yourself losing sleep at night over an iOS game. I can picture some of you with a box of Kleenex, sniffling and sobbing over your keyboards as you type some of these posts, jeez. It's a fun, addicting game. And best of all? It's free. You don't need to spend a nickel on it to compete with the big dogs IF you actually learn the game, opposed to spending all your time whining on a message board.

I think the game would be fine if you could get gold without buying it

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+1. This gentleman gets it.

I've got an idea for everyone who is demanding all these radical game changes and freaking out over how "unbalanced" the game is. Here it is.. you ready? Get a pen and paper, cause this is about to blow your minds...

Stop wasting time crying on here and actually spend time learning the mechanics of the game and how to play it.

..or just quit and save yourself losing sleep at night over an iOS game. I can picture some of you with a box of Kleenex, sniffling and sobbing over your keyboards as you type some of these posts, jeez. It's a fun, addicting game. And best of all? It's free. You don't need to spend a nickel on it to compete with the big dogs IF you actually learn the game, opposed to spending all your time whining on a message board.

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I love your post can you tell me something about your game ie are you in a top alliance? Or not, when did you start in your world? Early on or later?

As that would explain your quite simplistic answer to a complicated problem, if having a perfect understanding of battle system was the answer to a top alliance having a 30% advantage due to units buffs that competions give them plus all their commanders they win then I would be shocked!
As I understand the battle system very well and use it to good effect but if a top player wanted to destroy my base they would because they most likely understand the battle system as well as I do or better. So their advantages stands as do there level 90 commanders
you don't have to spend gold to win but you need to be in a good alliance but last time I checked their are only 50 players per alliance so if you take the top 10 alliances per world, their is only a game for 500 players per world, as the rest just get further and further out of touch as the top alliances get a bigger and bigger advantage over rest every contest win they get.

So in my eyes the whiners as you call them have it, and you are in the minority in a top alliances in your world insulated by that advantage from the games very real problems.
I love this game flaws and all, but that doesn't mean I don't want to see it balanced so more players can enjoy it.

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I for one am getting rather fed up with the way the game is, because there are far to many things that need changing, that are effecting the game for me and other players.

A. top alliances are completly ruining the servers.
they don't fight each other, they just hit lower people, every hit on my base on my server have been from the top 4 alliances or thier sister alliances, all using epic commanders and the best weapons available and 4-5 levels higher, stop rewarding AP for hits on people who are far weaker.

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Come to world 13. The top three alliances (especially numbers 2 and 3) regularly fight each other [the latter two in a several-month long war]

BC

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I love your post can you tell me something about your game ie are you in a top alliance? Or not, when did you start in your world? Early on or later?

As that would explain your quite simplistic answer to a complicated problem, if having a perfect understanding of battle system was the answer to a top alliance having a 30% advantage due to units buffs that competions give them plus all their commanders they win then I would be shocked!
As I understand the battle system very well and use it to good effect but if a top player wanted to destroy my base they would because they most likely understand the battle system as well as I do or better. So their advantages stands as do there level 90 commanders
you don't have to spend gold to win but you need to be in a good alliance but last time I checked their are only 50 players per alliance so if you take the top 10 alliances per world, their is only a game for 500 players per world, as the rest just get further and further out of touch as the top alliances get a bigger and bigger advantage over rest every contest win they get.

So in my eyes the whiners as you call them have it, and you are in the minority in a top alliances in your world insulated by that advantage from the games very real problems.
I love this game flaws and all, but that doesn't mean I don't want to see it balanced so more players can enjoy it.

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I play in a world infested with big-time spenders with level 90 Nikolai and Widows for days. I deal with what everyone here cries about. Top alliances no one can touch. Or so every thinks.

I started playing in July (my world opened in June). I joined an average, 20-something ranked alliance. We worked together, learned the mechanics of the game, and started placing top 10, then eventually top 3 in events. Not because we spent money. Not because we were the first ones on the server and got a head start. But because we learned the game, played it to our strengths, gradually got stronger, and MOST importantly; worked as a team.

Now? We toppled the top alliance (made up of the top 3 alliances) and actually ran a lot of them off the world. We've held the top spot for a few weeks now. However, there are other alliances coming out of no where, like we did, competing and making a name for themselves as new "top" alliances. Because they're working together and learning the game. Opposed to being on these forums, writing diatribes about how much pain and suffering an iOS game is causing them.

My best commanders: Perfect 60 Luna, Running Bear, Mutumbo, Psycho and Phantom.

Its nice to here its possible thanks for the reply.
But the fact your in the top 3 alliances is probably insulating you from the worst of the games distorted system, in fact you are probably enjoying them

I am a loyal player I am in the same alliance as I started in we are top 20 ish most of the Time but we are getting further out of touch with the top end alliances

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Its nice to here its possible thanks for the reply.
But the fact your in the top 3 alliances is probably insulating you from the worst of the games distorted system, in fact you are probably enjoying them

I am a loyal player I am in the same alliance as I started in we are top 20 ish most of the Time but we are getting further out of touch with the top end alliances

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Clearly you missed the entire first and second paragraph of my post. Way to go.

"Clearly you missed the entire first and second paragraph of my post. Way to go."

I didn't miss it, its just that the fact you are getting top 10 and greater wins effects your argument that their is no problems that skill and organisation cannot over come in the game.
unless you have just moved up from your 20 ranking in events this last few weeks you have been getting the unit buffs. By placing in the top 10 if you have done this for 2 months or more, what I said stands!

in my world top alliances are scoring billions in events the top 3, 4 billion AP between them.

What's happening in your world is not what maybe happening in all worlds.

To say to stop whining and just get better is not always the answer and not every player can be better than the rest someone has to be the best and if they are already at the top in a well organised alliance what happens then to your plan!

Finally we do not want to have to hound players until they quit as that's what's ruining the game as it is. And by your own admission that's what happened when you grabbed power, on your world. Its not exactly what the game needs now is it! More empty worlds

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another suggestion, allow us to attack our own outposts when it is occupied so we actually get BP for clearing cheap top alliance caps instead of being forced to feed them and get 0 return or lose an op, reinforce should still be there, stupid forcing people to feed cheap people.

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another suggestion, allow us to attack our own outposts when it is occupied so we actually get BP for clearing cheap top alliance caps instead of being forced to feed them and get 0 return or lose an op, reinforce should still be there, stupid forcing people to feed cheap people.

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I second that.

And units sent to break a capture attack should be given a buff as they are placing the capturing army at a disadvantage if the outpost still has a defending force the player capturing would be facing an attack on 2 fronts and be trapped between the two forces and blocked from escaping with unit rebuilds. If 2 or more allied army's were sent the buffs should increase as the battle adds extra fronts. For the capturer.
the capture timer stays but at the timer the capture battle happens but the more allied forces at play the fewer rebuilds the attacker gets and the greater the buffs the alliance that is defending gets. As all party's are in the battle Bp points should also be given to all party's in full. So what ever unit damage they do they get.

BP are still rewarding attacking and not good defending. Defence is needed as no player can be on at all times and not every player can be fully active and the game system already put players not in top alliances at a disadvantage so why hold back BP from defenders if they do 500k unit damage give them BP points for them. Not just the difference if they do greater damage.

Just wish there was a way to quit a world. I went two new worlds, but stay in my first world. Wish there was a way to quit the other worlds.

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To say to stop whining and just get better is not always the answer and not every player can be better than the rest someone has to be the best and if they are already at the top in a well organised alliance what happens then to your plan!

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Yes, it is the answer. Get better, build BP, get into a decent alliance or create an alliance with good teammates, work together, move up the event ladders gradually, and climb the alliance ranking ladder.

My alliance is now down to #3. Why are we down to #3? Because those up-and-coming alliances have worked hard enough as a team to overtake us. Do people cry and quit all the time? Sure they do. Because they're all people like phalanx who instead of learning the game and getting better, choose to just throw tantrums and quit because they're getting smoked on a daily basis due to now understanding the game.

Like any competitive activity in life, how do you get better at them? Well, one of the biggest things is getting your ass kicked by those better than you, and learning from it.

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Yes, it is the answer. Get better, build BP, get into a decent alliance or create an alliance with good teammates, work together, move up the event ladders gradually, and climb the alliance ranking ladder.

My alliance is now down to #3. Why are we down to #3? Because those up-and-coming alliances have worked hard enough as a team to overtake us. Do people cry and quit all the time? Sure they do. Because they're all people like phalanx who instead of learning the game and getting better, choose to just throw tantrums and quit because they're getting smoked on a daily basis due to now understanding the game.

Like any competitive activity in life, how do you get better at them? Well, one of the biggest things is getting your ass kicked by those better than you, and learning from it.

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I agree to do better you have be better and their is no need for tantrums in this game as you can never be fully destroyed.
But I get smoked and I have maxed 50 commanders but that doesn't cut it with the gold players using L80 commanders gold bought unit buffs and other unit buffs from events make it hard even using perfect tactics, I don't quit I use tactics to survive in my world,

Your idea means moving alliance to do better, But that is still only going to work for a very small number of players the top 10 alliances only hold 500 players that is way short of a full world, and moving players offer limited loyalty to the alliance they are in as they are just going to move to the next alliance, the name on the alliance may change but its is probably less than 500 players that will enjoy the event perks,

My world has less than a thousand active players . As I can rank in the top 500 with Defensive BP if I don't logon.
Players need to give other newer players a break by not milking them for BP just to win the event, its these tactics that destroy the worlds not gree. I don't need to rank anywhere to enjoy the game but I hate players that spoil the game for lesser players by just using them for cheap easy event BP.
We take on and help newer players in the game it does nothing for our ranking but it helps the game. But we have members that follow your plan and do well, they move alliance to do better but they hate the alliances they are in. so I play my game the way I do by choice, I don't complain about gold spenders as they keep the game free or about getting hammered now and then, I use my voice to help stop the worlds dying because I want to keep playing as do most of the whiners as you call them I just think the game needs better systems to allow it to be enjoyed by a greater number of players per world. The top players in the top alliances will start whining when when they realise there world is dying they will whinge to Gree because they have no players to hit because everyone has quit.

So its your choice encourage players down your route which will end in the collapse of your world when new players leave for new worlds for a fresh start after they are hammered by top players and alliances with high ranking commanders with great tactics that is your plan just get better !
Most don't try they quit or leave for a new world. So unless you want your world to die you need to get on the side of the whiners and get Gree to change the game to give worlds real long term life so you can keep playing as a free player or gold player which ever you are.

Thanks for your reply I can agree to disagree with you but my goal is to save my world and the players in it from destroying there world by there use of poor sportsman ship. And if the only way is to get Gree to make changes so be it.