What is your "camper" lvl's if i may ask?
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What is your "camper" lvl's if i may ask?
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EDIT: my income is now 37k, not 32 anymore
I started camping right from the 1st level and didn't attack or rob a single person but got levelled all the way to 12 by people attacking me and losing. Once i hit level 12 i still didn't attack anyone but started robbing Gun Shops, T-Shirt Stands and Barbershops because these earn you a very low xp. I'm currently at level 20 with the below stats (iPad Hood)
are you a gold spender? wondering how your A/D are so damn high, hahaQuote:
Originally Posted by The Billionaire
Camping at 141 :cool:
After these last two back-to-back events, I have mostly just collected & banked. I'm pooped out... too weak to fight, well, maybe a few fights, but oh so tired, heh!
Camping is for people who would rather be playing sim city. I don't think I've ever played a game where people WORK HARD at not advancing because they're worried they'll get beat. Who cares if you're the toughest level four and never get attacked?
I'm camping now at level 119. Putting my focus on economy and buying blast shields (1ATT/19DEF) for 210,000 each.
THAT SIR, was a slippery slope fallacy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dipstik
ACTUALLY, i camp to set myself up for better success in later levels. I'm not WORRIED i'll get beat, b/c i KNOW i will. maybe not for awhile, or not that often at first. but eventually yes. Its just my play style and fun for me. I like no-banking(: much quiver is advancing my income/hrQuote:
Originally Posted by Dipstik
can't speak for all campers, some don't effectively camp, this is true.
Slippery slope arguments are not a fallacy. Go read the excellent paper on the subject by Eugene volokh.
Also, I do not believe I made a slippery slope argument here.
You sure do assume a lot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dipstik
Assumptions are often necessary when you lack firsthand knowledge. If they're wrong, prove it.
Entertaining thread.
I don't have the discipline or patience to camp. Don't really see the point of camping either. I rob/beat up lots of peeps and lots of peeps rob/beat me up. Don't see how that would change unless I am stronger than 100% of the other players and that's not going to happen ever.
+1 shinchan's ass
Camper Account on Level 9
Fuzz Ball
4-2-12
Level 5
MOB = 37
Attack = 158
Defense = 131
InCome Per Hour = $4,478
4-9-12
Level 8
MOB = 100
Attack = 262
Defense = 279
InCome Per Hour = $7,511
4-16-12
Level 9
MOB = 106
Attack = 380
Defense = 509
InCome Per Hour = $11,411
4-23-12
Level 9
MOB = 113
Attack = 400
Defense = 589
InCome Per Hour = $ 16,692
4-30-12
Level 9
MOB = 113
Attack = 415
Defense = 609
InCome Per Hour = $ 21,234
5-7-12
Level 9
MOB = 114
Attack = 430
Defense = 629
InCome Per Hour = $ 26,487
Please read, as this is the last time I explain my actions to anyone ever about camping:
IMO, The Billionaire was, before level 12, one of the "true campers". No goals, no fights, no robs, but accruing XP while defensive winning leveled him up since he spent a lot (+gold) on equipment -- and perfect stats I might add! I am also a true camper (default 10 gold used) to where level 4s and 5s were 50/50 at losing and I am now level 6 myself with the same base 3a1d I started with by default. I purposely carry 300/30 mafia for NCs so to not win any more attacks (by other full-mafia foes) and accrue XP. Obviously I don't care about my win/loss record right now. Eventually it will be 10:1 the other way instead of 2:10 it is now (under 200 total fights). I appreciate The Billionaire's strategy but I also believe one day he will lose if he does not keep up the spending, if he should choose to continue his leveling indefinitely. My strategy is an incredibly boring and inactive one, as I play it on a secondary account. However, while I find this strategy appealing, I in no way advocate this as it takes incredible patience to play this game over the long run even on a secondary account.
I will always concede that in the end levels (wherever those brackets will be), the top spenders (like payam) will eat me alive as a minimal gold spender, but what people need to understand is it took me 47 days to reach level 6. I will never (dare I say?) try to reach the 150+ levels with my secondary account. I will be in the top 5% of all levels below 25 once I achieve my personal goals. This reign will last a very long time, barring I constantly get attacked hundreds of times per day leveling me up because I don't ever plan to attack and rob others. I want to no-bank as much as I can and see who can crack me (guess who will become new friends?). Its all economy, economy, economy with this account. MT's through the roof and NC save ahead of schedule. My economy won't be where I want it for another 77.44 days :)
In Sim City, almost everyone tries to achieve the same goals. In Crime City, I can be uniquely different and still kick people's butts along the way. I hope people will understand this since I've revealed my base strategy. It's fun for me, I know its not for 95% of others. Stop clamoring about it for everybody else on both sides.
My final admittance is there are many campers on these forums trying to advocate camping, but giving really bad advice. Some have already been called out. All I can say is listen to "true campers" (IMO) like The Billionaire, emcee, White Frog, fuzzy, and myself to name a few if you want to get ahead the most efficient way possible. We've done the spreadsheets, we've done the work. As for myself, I've lurked these forums for a very long time before registering. My main account is 191 days old today. Thank you for reading.
Yes I am a gold spender. On my iPhone hood I use to buy between 1500 and 4500 gold bars during each event trying to get the 10th item and after 6 events I only had 1 of the items which was the green extreme. Therefore I no longer buy gold bars to use on the events. Instead every time an event gets released I buy a vault of gold for my iPad hood and buy 10 sets of the 3 crates. As you can see from my stats I'm much better off and a lot happier knowing I'm guaranteed 30 weapons and not endlessly chasing one good 10th item weapon. Only bummer is I don't get the bonus that comes with the 10th item but I'm happy my economy is going to be strong enough that missing out on the bonus won't bother me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dreno33
Holy mother of god WHY??? The game isn't even any good! Why on earth would you spend $50/week on a free FarmVille wannabe?
$50/week obviously sounds pretty high to you. How do you know its not chump change to him? His name is The Billionaire after all muahaahaha
I can't speak for all campers but I'm not at all worried about getting beat. Camping in the early stages of the game is going to benefit me massively come the later levels. Building a really strong economy and acquiring a good inventory means that when I decide to start levelling up I'm not going to have to save up masses of money to do the costly upgrades because my economy will be booming and with a good inventory hopefully 95% of players won't be able to beat me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dipstik
And yes Dipstik I really enjoyed sim city all those years ago!
Me too. SimCity 2000 was the best. Still own it on floppies somewhere!
Thats the good part about this game, NO ONE and I mean NO ONE should tell some one else how to play thier game. Camp on, crawl on, rob your hart out, attack any one, attack 499, be 499, who the f@$k care's.
Rant over going back to bing a 499 crawler.
I couldn't of said it better myself. My camping account is also my secondary account as my primary account is on my iPhone and gets played very regularly. My secondary account is simply a different way to play the game and I have no intention of reaching the higher levels, I'm just interested in building the strongest economy I can and will hopefully get all my chosen buildings upgraded to level 10.Quote:
Originally Posted by nopenopenope
My tent is pitched and I'm staying in this area for the foreseeable future!
Lol it certainly was, i found my 3 pack last week when clearing out the loft, all in mint condition as well.....Sim City 2000, Sim Tower and Sim Isle.Quote:
Originally Posted by nopenopenope
If someone asks for advice then give it to them but don't try and tell those who don't ask for advice how to play the game! Play your own game and your hood will speak for itself!
If this game isn't any good then why are you constantly posting on this forum like you're the Crime City bible! And FarmVille is the last game i'd ever consider playing. It looks like its for kids!Quote:
Originally Posted by Dipstik
Nopenopenope I'm not a billionaire but my company did make a net profit of £2.3m last year so yes it is chump change and why not spend a little bit of money on my hood. On the other hand I refuse to spend money on these CC events any more because after 6 events I've only managed to get one 10th item even though I purchased between 1500 and 4500 gold bars during each event so I'm on strike now. This will make you laugh, during the wall safe scam I purchased so much gold trying to get the free bank deposits that I reached my iTunes transaction limit. Had to contact support and ask them to remove it lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by nopenopenope
Everyone camps to a degree. Whenever you sleep and chances are am upgrading something, even the most anti-camper technically is camping. By not gaining experience through active play (robbing or attacking) and upgrading your income buildings you are camping.
Camping is most effective at lower levels and not a mad dash to unlock all buildings and then hunkering down. The benefits of camping will be nullified at higher levels with more aggressive/seasoned opponents. Banking is the bane of all campers and having income not entirely reinvested is counterproductive.
What makes camping even more compelling in CC vs other games I've played is that the single best income building can be earned at any level. What floors me are high level players that still don't have night clubs in their hood. Yes, we all hear the arguments that income is a waste...blah blah blah....but the last time I checked expanding your hood cost money, buying defense and income buildings and upgrading them cost money, explosives cost money, the best defensive vehicle cost money...
The benefits of a strong economy also allows me to not spend respect on mid tiered items. My income can offer an alternative to yams and nvb. Yes campers will be fodder to high gold spenders come end game but the last time I've checked the bracket level has continually increased. Also all HL perspective and analysis is based on current circumstance. This is already changing with Android players coming into the mix as well as events. All the Payams and Noodles are all at level 200 but give it a year and they won't be able to see people below 190 or so. This is just based on observation and 190 is an arbitrary number. The biggest thing is that any disciplined camper or even a crawler will be extremely competitive even at HL with the way things are going now. These events and new TL goals etc will propel most levelers up to HL levels sooner than later and hence increase the threshold.
There is nothing to stop campers from spending real money in the game at present or in the future. For me its just an accomplishment to see how far I can get without gold spend for now. I spend thousands per month on meals, entertainment, clothing, etc. So if I go the route like Billionaire one day its not entirely out of the question.
However I enjoy the challenge playing this game without rm for now and getting the havoc minigun and atm crusher does not hurt not to mention better than respect items from these events. Tapjoy doesn't hurt as well.
So the key to camping is having the discipline to not level for as long as possible. Those who can buy nc as soon as possible will have an advantage. My level 58 account which started weeks before my level 8 account still has less income/hr because the tortoise account unlocked nc first. This account is currently over 200k/hr and I anticipate over 500k in a few more months. Level 58 account will surpass tortoise account due to the minigun but I'm not sure if it can achieve that by 500k/hr or perhaps a million.
The opportunity cost of not having nc as soon as possible is immense and looking at my rivals list and mafia is proof.
So the benefits of camping are numerous as detailed but also its the game play that best suits my lifestyle. I have a busy social life and I set my own work hours. I don't have the energy and stamina like most active players because I don't want to play as much right now. This complements a camper/tortoise play style. The only time I become an active player is during these events which I enjoy as well. Possibly active players quit due to lack of competitiveness or most likely imo the amount of time required to play the game daily as some with poor economy need to attack and rob endlessly to make ends meet. This can be quite taxing and I can see why the game can become monotonous and/or frustration may set in.
Everyone's different. We all play because we enjoy the game. If the game becomes a chore then what's the point.
I can't speak for Tramp Stamp but I think part of the reason he quit was because maintaining the weekly stats for everyone was becoming a chore as there was an expectation that he would do it. It didn't help that the threads he created was being hijacked by spammers and having content deleted. We can all agree that its a loss to the economy cause.
@emcee
One of the reasons that players do not have nightclubs is that they are hard to collect 100% and some people have a low tolerance for getting robbed. For me, I bank my 40% and move on. For others, they would rather not have a nightclub at all than have one that gets robbed.
Weird..I never noticed this thread.
Maybe I missed it because camping is normally associated with scouts and tree huggers.
Come on, how boring a$$ can you be in a fighting game....
+1 dillinja.
nah mate, were letting the little guys run out in the open while we sick back, cleaning our sniper. when the time is right, we'll fire(:Quote:
Originally Posted by Dillinja
Camping is an utterly pointless exercise, you'd make more money robbing and therefore be able to buy the bigger buildings faster. While you're staying low levelled with only a couple of decent building everyone else is getting to level 200 with fantastic economy working on their equipment and having better map farming locations. You don't get an advantage by camping in the long run. All you make by camping is money which eventually becomes quite pointless, better to keep levelling, you'll make respect then at level 200 continue making respect and be far ahead with respect items and a camper could never close the gap because of all the wasted time and having cash as his only resource which is easily outclassed by the 500 exeleros everyone will have while you pussy foot in a tent.
No, you made an unsolicited one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dipstik
The OP asked for campers stats, and you decided that your opinion was so important that you would turn this thread into the 50th camping vs non-camping debate. How original. Thanks.
Since most campers, for the millionth time, are camping with their second account, it's not boring because their actual gameplay is in their main account. There are a handful of exceptions, but not many.
Level 10
52k income
attack 950
defense 1134.
Only tapjoy gold.
I will NOT spend money on a 2nd camper account.
Great thread, and for the record, I'm a camper, albeit not the true camper like Dreanno. I got the idea, and learned the basics from Storm8 a few years go. Lay low, reach the pinnacle levels where you can benefit the most from the buildings, build up the cash/defense, and move forward cautiously. I see no fun in a guy at L25 who is 1231W and 1165L. I'm more about keeping my wins to a much better ratio than 10:1. In fact, I've gone the last 600+ fights w/o losing. It's more of my playing style than how someone else would go, and that's why this game is fascinating for different players. There are multiple sides to the argument of how to play, and honestly, all are valid.
To each their own.
Cheers
I am so glad that you have the rules to the game, that shows you are not allowed to camp and it is a race to 200.Quote:
Originally Posted by Luciferianism
I have 2 accounts my 2nd account is a camper. If I played full 100% on both accounts I would be burnt out.
Sooner or later all of the M4A1 people will be retired and new farming will be introduced. When that happens all of the time that you spent farming is now a waste.
Do you expect the game to be turned off line in the next 6 months?
How long did it take you to get to the HL?
If you expect the game to be around in another 2 years do you think some of the campers will be there by then?
Camping does not mean you will not earn respect points ever. It means at this moment you are not.
When campers come out of there tent they will earn there respect points just as you have. They are just getting there economy in order before earning respect instead of both at the same time.
Do you not think campers spend money? We do. We buy gold buildings and crates.
To be better than everyone else, you have to maximise your stat increase/xp gained. By definition.
Camping does this at lower levels, because you can get a big stat increase for 0 or very little xp gained.
However, as RP weapons and better loot items come along, at mid and high levels, camping vs non camping evens out because those buying RP items to replace crap weapons have a bigger stat increase per xp than a camper buying RP items to replace reasonable weapons.
You could argue that building a big economy sooner rather than later helps with expansions and defence buildings, but this is not correct. All you are doing when you camp, is changing "when" you are waiting for cash, or upgrades, etc. if you camp, you get the waiting out of the way earlier, so you can build new things quickly, whereas if you level up, you have to wait till your economy is strong enough for new buildings. Both ways, you still have to wait.
More importantly, with the exception of MTs, NCs and Lofts, there are not any worthwhile low level buildings. To maximise your economy, it is worthless to rely on the level 1 buildings to earn money from. You rely on the level 1 buildings to fund your expansion into level 10 buildings. As you progress up the building list, your economy transitions so that the bulk of your money comes from higher and higher level buildings. There is likely not a big difference in when in time a camper vs a non camper buys a particular building, just a difference in level. In fact, the reliance on lower level buildings mean that time and money that could be used to invest in better buildings is used to upgrade lower level worthless buildings.
Because of the above, camping provides only a short term boost. Once your stats become more and more dependant on RP weapons, the less and less of an advantage camping provides. It also in fact, presents a disadvantage as time is wasted on irrelevant upgrades.
Slowing down, or consolidation periods to boost the economy or defence stats periodically to remain competitive is the best strategy.
Wow guys, lol looks like I missed the party @Max good point, all I asked was who was camping, and what lvls.....now it's a fiasco LOL no fair having a party in my thread without me! Mean boys! Lol :p
I'm sorry.Quote:
Originally Posted by crybaby
But I do post my camper stats a couple of pages ago before people took your thread over
You missed the point completely fuzzy. Non-campers have more respect, because they have been in more fights. Respect equipment > cash equipment. Yes it's true campers will eventually start making respect, but non-campers have a massive head start in the long run, non-campers fight thousands more fights, have thousands more respect, using much better equipment and slaughter campers. Therefore camping = pointless. You actually hurt yourself by camping, by lagging behind in respect points.
To put it simply, an equally active camper and non-camper comparison; the camper could never catch up to the amount of respect the non-camper has. (barring the point at which the non-camper has 500 of each best respect items, in which case the gap would decrease but that's not a reasonable scenario). If you use logic you'll see my point, I can't be bothered to explain it anymore. If you want to camp do it, I don't care either way.
Would you rather me quit or camp?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dillinja
lol.fuzzy I was just goofin :pQuote:
Originally Posted by fuzzy