LIARs LIARs LIARs: King of Lying and all other things about new Epic Boss

Hello GREE (with a pointed message to the king of waffling aka lying)

It is time to revisit the string of messages made by WaffleKing to this community about the new EB event as found in this link http://forums.gree.net/showthread.ph...ro-Equip/page5

We were told several points by WaffleKing:

"We will be making adjustments to the Epic Boss. It was too hard and we apologize and next Epic Boss you will see changed to make it easier. I do also want to address the players who think we are just going to keep making changes without taking into account our users feedback. We felt making the changes in the middle of EB would be a bad idea but we will make difficulty changes in the future so that our community is happy with the balance of Epic Boss."

"Hello Truthteller
We will also be dropping the xp you earn from EB as well, that was also something we have heard loud and clear."

"Hi Killadon
We will be adjusting the xp gained for the next Epic Boss. This was set too high and we will be lowering it back to normal levels."

As I have previously, I am calling Bull$%#*@%!!!! This event is no easier and the XP is no different. Waffleking you have lost all credibility with this community and so has your lying employer GREE. Why make these statements... We are sick of the lies (if you want to screw us at least have the courage to look us in the eyes first). I expect that the WaffleKing name to be changed (as what happened when Taaadah "left" and was replaced by WaffleKing). I believe you are really the same person with an assumed name (because that is what liars do - they lie).

I had resigned to saving my breath because it is wasted with a greedy lying company such as GREE, but I have been encouraged to post another message by those that believe I am capturing the voice of this community. I expect you to be too cowardly to reply to this message or worse, remove it (because that is how cowardly people and cowardly companies operate)!

Happy New Years from a used up and tired community!

I agree with your statements wholeheartedly! Greedy Gree is just in it for the money!

All of the above are thoughts shared by so many. It was bad enough taking away all the time, energy and money from those that had worked to making this event accessible freely but even worse to make cowardly excuses and promises of rectification and then back down on them. Are we, the customer, deemed that stupid and not worth the truth.
Gree have made what was one of my favourite events into one that isn't even worth bothering with. Why would I repeat all the work into making this event more accessible again when it's plainly inevitable that Gree will only change the rules again once I have.

Sorry but the xp has been reduced (thank you) and the boss hp has also been reduced slightly - now I run away

Thanks Mattman,

You speak from my heart.

i personally worked my ass off and spend a fortune to grow my account strong enough to do Epic Boss for free. Last time i was completly frustrated that you basically introduced a RESET to the game concerning Epic Boss. Then you promised to us to adapt the Epic Boss back to reasonable.

GREE you have no honor. what a poor bunch of people are you?

I am more than dissapointed that you think we are stupid money cows.
But one thing i tell you, see the numbers of players quitting? its because of YOU.
BTW, we have 6 new openings in a guild ranked 28, since last war.

WELL DONE GREE, WELL DONE!

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Originally Posted by Lunagirl

Sorry but the xp has been reduced (thank you) and the boss hp has also been reduced slightly - now I run away

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If the increase to origin would be the same than the decrease now, i would be fine.

I have done it free and easy and now i should spend couple of hundret gems again?
No way

Well said and has my full support

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Originally Posted by Lunagirl

Sorry but the xp has been reduced (thank you) and the boss hp has also been reduced slightly - now I run away

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HI Luna, I just went in and checked a few things: Regarding XP, last time xp was 10x/level. I just validated what XP I saw on boss #65 and it was only 200. I should have validated this before I posted but had heard the boss XP was identical from many other people. SO you are correct. GREE did reduce the XP from what I can now see. But I have many reports that the XP was higher on the top bosses so I will continue to monitor this.

Regarding the boss strength, I have not seen a reduction. Last event, I did 435 damage with my free hit... I got to boss 18 before needing two hits. This event my free his is 499 and I got to boss 21 before needing a second hit. So I see no reduction in the boss strength. Maybe the top end is no longer 10,250 but I have yet to reach this. Again, I will monitor this.

regardless, I was prodded by many people to make this post and it still is representative of what I am getting from the community.

What? A Gree representative lying to us? On this forum? That can't be!
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Should this be a surprise? I mean, after Tadaahh claimed there would be no more 2-week war cycles, then Gree scheduled one a couple weeks later... Gree has made no effort to work with customers, despite all of the feedback we have provided over the years. Sure every couple of months they bring a new face onto this forum who claims Gree will do more to listen to customers. Do they? Hell no. The only time Gree ever listens is when we hit them financially, either with boycott or by getting mass refunds from itunes.

Gree,

You are shameless, you lie, you make promises you don't keep.

EB healths is at L100 is 9500 - you liars.

Is this how you define, listening your customer base?

Unless you have a solution and reduced the L100 EB to 2000, you have no business posting anything here.

Useless....

I believe Gree and their spoke people think we r more gullible than children since they keep feeding us lies. Not one event has been fully functional, EB has not been adjusted nor fixed in any way. all events are now for boxes where none knows what you will get, battles have useless rewards also for the big spenders on....u guessed it!! More boxes!! And now they change and bring temp bonuses for players to keep spending on something that is only good for a few days!!
Battles, didn't they say no more battles every 2 was? Well, next battle is the 3rd schedule within 2 was span...when will they really listen to the community that spends the hard earn money on this game? We all players decide to stop playing until they (Gree) really fixes things n listens to us. Until then we will continue to beta test their product and paying for it as opposed to be the other way around.

http://forums.gree.net/8BC64FC4-19A8...otes.apple.com Originally Posted by Waffleking http://forums.gree.net/1B8A68DE-3890...otes.apple.com
We will be making adjustments to the Epic Boss. It was too hard and we apologize and next Epic Boss you will see changed to make it easier. I do also want to address the players who think we are just going to keep making changes without taking into account our users feedback. We felt making the changes in the middle of EB would be a bad idea but we will make difficulty changes in the future so that our community is happy with the balance of Epic Boss.


WaffleKing, you LIED to us. You did NOT change EpicBoss to be any easier, the boss' health is exactly the same. We had an entire thread that was devoted to how much we hated the "new" Epic Boss because we went from a few free hits to kill the level 100s to having to take 14-16 gold hits. So, you tell us that you agree it was too hard, and that it would be easier next time. What a load of crap. All you did was lower the experience points gained. Just so you know, lowering the experience points does not make it any easier, it just dosen't penalize us as much.

Happy New Year from Gree...same as the Old Year, lying to us, and ignoring us.

WOW !! Im gobsmacked that Gree would do such a Hanius thing ! I have been lurking for some months now and play when the wars are on and occasionally do some quests, but i have to agree about this , its a One step forward Two steps back approach, now they will blame some lame Tech who didnt flick a switch or throw a button somewhere ! As usual it will be "SomeOne Elses Fault" never a Mods, even though they can promise the world and give a Busted nickel!
Happy New Year with a Big Smack up inside the head for your troubles all.
just pains me to see things like this time and time again...continue to bash head against brick wall .
Step up to the plate Gree and Fix what should have never been Broke !

In not sure how much more can be said about this event other than what's already be said. My top 10 team also has more openings that it should mostly due to "retirement" (aka frustration with the defects in the game and GREE's reluctance to fix anything that's broken such as this event).
In prior EBs, boss health plateaud at a certain level. Not so much in this one.

It pains me to see the actual money I've spent - and for what? To test and be ignored with the test results, then to see buggy and inconsiderate changes to be released. You all ought to be ashamed.

No real software company would ever put up with this type of BS. Y'all would have been fired ages ago. If not by ⌬ management, then by stockholders.

Happy screw year to you as well.

Same here - I am founder of a top ten team dealing with defections and unhappimess over this.

Why lie????????

Yes 9K is less than 10.5K, but that is not the big fix you promised.


Do you want to kill this game? Do you hate money? Please explain the logic of chasing away folks dumb enough to spend cash on this travesty of a game.

Great work Gree.
XP do decrease and Boss Health do decrease, our equipment do get stronger.
I do take 1-2 hits less than before on bosses.

rip epic boss

Rip ka....

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Originally Posted by Ashura

Great work Gree.
XP do decrease and Boss Health do decrease, our equipment do get stronger.
I do take 1-2 hits less than before on bosses.

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I used to be able to kill the EB with 2 hits. I SPENT a TON of my MONEY to get to build a dominant account. Last event the Epic Boss was capped at 10,250 health points. the new cap is 9,500 health points. My damage on the boss DID NOT increase in anything GREE did (i.e. they did not improve the calculation to include our unit totals but still leave it based on only your max weapon attack + 1/2 your Heroic Skill points)!

SO... I went from 2 hits previously on the max Epic Boss, to 16 hits last event. This time around it will take me 13 Hits to kill the max boss (and most of this change is due to me putting most of my skill points into Heroic not because of any increase in attack). Another way to look at this is this way: Gree moved the boss health from 10,250 down to 9,500 points. This is 750 point reduction in the bosses max health. So this equates to ONLY 1 HIT reduction on the Epic Boss. The rest of the reduction is due to my heroic skill points. I have no new equipment that increased my attack from the previous event (because what GREE offers as war awards and inside of these ridiculous chests are ALL WEAKER than what most of us have).

So now the EB takes me almost 2 hours to kill a max health boss and GEMs have to be spent to finish this event (the timed parts). Some of us earned the right to do this for free with all the hard work and money we put in to build up our accounts over the last year.... LIARS LIARS LIARS. THIS CHANGE WAS NOTHING BUT A WAY TO GET US TO SPEND MORE AND MORE MONEY. LIARS LIARS LIARS.

"Be patient with us"

~Mods

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Originally Posted by Waffleking

We will be making adjustments to the Epic Boss. It was too hard and we apologize and next Epic Boss you will see changed to make it easier. I do also want to address the players who think we are just going to keep making changes without taking into account our users feedback. We felt making the changes in the middle of EB would be a bad idea but we will make difficulty changes in the future so that our community is happy with the balance of Epic Boss.

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Originally Posted by Waffleking

We hope that you as the community will continue to support us and help us make this game better. We look forward to providing you with new experiences and adventures in 2015.

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What do these statements really mean?

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Originally Posted by Vclone

What do these statements really mean?

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Apparently, nothing!

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Originally Posted by Jnsolberg

Apparently, nothing!

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It's all part of the smoke & mirrors game that Gree plays with us.

I've often wondered if Gree/KA-Dept. Is really a couple of Psychology students who somehow know mid-level app programming. Wait! The bell just rang again and I feel an urge to do something with my kingdom.

I've noticed the epic boss have been easier to kill.
I have been doing significantly more damage.

I find this absolutely appalling !!!!! this thread has been ongoing for over 2 days now and STILL NO MODS have commented, must just show how much they care about us (Customers) and our MONIES.....im really surprised that Gree are still in Buisiness ?? this is woeful. If I ran my Buisiness like this I would have had to close the doors 2 weeks after opening them! Terrible Management and lack of Customer Support and Moderators are still MIA ??
Its just plain simple...Rule No# 01 Look after your customers and they will look after you !
Rule No#02 Offer after sales support and service
Rule No#03 make sure the product is what states on the label
Rule No#04 everything else see Rule No# 01

wafflejking is too busy laughing at us....

As most people are comparing to last one.
I have to ask, did you spend the skill points the same?
Since they reset the skill point, this might make a difference.
I noticed they did lower the xp gain. But can't tell if the boss health was changed, with the skil point reset can't go by how meny we dropped last tim.
I am wrong, my gold boss hit is = then total attack on my gear.
No stats, not even hero(all tho it says adds damage) makes a difference, like it's not working.

No longer enjoy EB... GreeD are just asking us to spend more and more after you build up your stats...
No positive change will be made towards the player interest, Gree are only interested in increasing their profit... QUIT THE GAME ASAP!!

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Originally Posted by Valid or

As most people are comparing to last one.
I have to ask, did you spend the skill points the same?
Since they reset the skill point, this might make a difference.
I noticed they did lower the xp gain. But can't tell if the boss health was changed, with the skil point reset can't go by how meny we dropped last tim.
I am wrong, my gold boss hit is = then total attack on my gear.
No stats, not even hero(all tho it says adds damage) makes a difference, like it's not working.

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For me I placed an additional 100 skill points into hero and I was able to get 5 more levels higher before a second hit was needed, I have the highest ATTACK weapon as well. For my stats I should be able to get to level 50 easily but struggle getting there. The crafting chests are a joke, wouldn't be bad if more items would drop, but still under its current plan it is a joke. Have 5 of 6 of the current highest items. Before last war my ATTACK stats were 2500 and after war it dropped to 2025. Equipment stats dropped 15,000 points as well. Why work to increase stats if Gree is going to drop everything backwards. The game has become non-competitive with no direction. Top 150 guild as well but forget about completing most of the quests, we mainly are left with raid boss and war in this game. The two favorites that Gree will eventually screw up as well.

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Originally Posted by Ratma2001

I find this absolutely appalling !!!!! this thread has been ongoing for over 2 days now and STILL NO MODS have commented, must just show how much they care about us (Customers) and our MONIES

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I don't think any of us are surprised, we all had hope that they would eventually care for the customers, that is our fault, Gree hope you understand we take fault for this, we are proud members that take responsibility, please learn from the posts, you will not please everyone, but as the posts show you are causing your own problems by not following through with the 90%negative and suggestions posts, compared to the 10%positive (this number is being nice). Really have not seen any positive posts.

The icing on the cake is combining this so called "easier" eb with a super expensive ltb. This way we have to minimize gold hits in order to save money for LTB. This effectively makes the eb much harder than last time.


Waffleking - are you aware enough to understand this interaction? I am quite curious. As either you intentionally screwed us and lied to us or you don't understand your own game. Which is it? Maybe both.

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Originally Posted by Jomama1

The icing on the cake is combining this so called "easier" eb with a super expensive ltb. This way we have to minimize gold hits in order to save money for LTB. This effectively makes the eb much harder than last time.


Waffleking - are you aware enough to understand this interaction? I am quite curious. As either you intentionally screwed us and lied to us or you don't understand your own game. Which is it? Maybe both.

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I for one liked the way they combined the events. Made a collect 60 feel feasible, got 40+ from bosses.
Boss health is still too high. At 70 now, and think that's gettting close to be being done.

I agree, getting the opened crates instead of crates is very nice, but by all means will you guys add a summon button to this quest? Just like guild bosses. I can't stand how much time it takes to randomly spawn the dang thing sometimes. Then occasionally I have to log off and log in just to notice it spawned 18 minutes ago and if I am on one of the higher level ones, that is less hits/time to finish it. We absolutely hate having to randomly spawn them. With all the lag since you upgraded graphics it seems even harder for my phone to spawn it w/o losing 5 minutes of the time before I can even get my first hit in

Here is another issue, if I increase my hero strength with 2 skill points wouldn't my ATTACK against boss go up????? Was 689 before increase, added skill points and closed the app and reopened. Hit boss again and guess what it is still 689. What a damn joke!!!!!!!!!!! Boss increases in stats each level and when we level we stay the same???? Can you now say there is a problem GREE, accept your responsibility.

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Originally Posted by Metsrock9931

Here is another issue, if I increase my hero strength with 2 skill points wouldn't my ATTACK against boss go up????? Was 689 before increase, added skill points and closed the app and reopened. Hit boss again and guess what it is still 689. What a damn joke!!!!!!!!!!! Boss increases in stats each level and when we level we stay the same???? Can you now say there is a problem GREE, accept your responsibility.

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Same happened to me. I put 2 points into HS and my boss damage didn't change. Here's the thing, if I do the formula of Equip + (1/2 HS) then my damage is correct now, but not before I put the 2 HS in. Whatever. It's Gree. I don't expect anything to work right anymore.

I think some players are not getting the point - I am not referring to the box event (I suppose openings are nice). I am referring to the building quest which will take a ton of cash to complete. If you spend your cash on epoic boss you wont be able to buy all the building levels. Perhaps this is not clear to everyone yet.

But the real issue is still that people spent tons of real cash to get goo at epic boss and now face an event almost ten times as hard for the big spender This is simply wrong. Gree pledged to fix it - they did not. Why would anyone incest money in your game knowing that Gree will simply change the rules and screw them. We anxiously await grees response.

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Originally Posted by the_bob

Same happened to me. I put 2 points into HS and my boss damage didn't change. Here's the thing, if I do the formula of Equip + (1/2 HS) then my damage is correct now, but not before I put the 2 HS in. Whatever. It's Gree. I don't expect anything to work right anymore.

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My boss hit useing gold is the same as adding all the attack points on my gear together, both 714.
Hero strength seems to be not working, if it's in the equation.(217 hero is wht I have)

This sucks. Went from two free hits to 10+ gold hits to kill boss 100. If there is an easy way to kill off an event this is it. Shame on you Gree. You made a horrible decision, yet again. Would also like to point out the lack of health potion drops. Nothing like an extra kick to the head while I'm down. Can't wait until RB starts. I'm almost hoping you all FUBAR that event just to see the nuclear fall out.