Almost all top 100? Wow. Thats an achievement right there, haha!
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Almost all top 100? Wow. Thats an achievement right there, haha!
Cute image. How long did you work on that? I'm glad you spend so much time on your responses to me. It shows you continue to be bothered so much that you have to respond.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sol Invictus
Yes guilds get rewards AFTER war. I can bold, italicize, and underline for more emphasis. That is a true story. I'll say it again and agree with you. Guilds get rewards after the war. People still need to place in wars to receive their rewards. Tell me something I don't know.
But prior to your new signature, you said you weren't going to spend gems until the rewards are better. They release what the rewards are BEFORE war starts. Otherwise, how will you know what you are fighting for, and what you are spending gems on? Do you understand what that means? Do you even understand what you were saying yourself? Are you seriously willing to fight in a war where the rewards are unknown? Are you expecting them to reward you based purely on gems spent? And I'm the one grasping at straws? You can't understand the logic of what you said yourself? I'm trying not to call people names, but you sound like an idiot.
You want Gree to pony up better rewards before you will decide to spend. There is no other way around this. You want to know the raise is there before you do the work. Stop playing the idiot card. Please, someone else tell me how my logic is wrong and Sol's is correct.
Please, anyone?
No point in starting "this"?Quote:
Originally Posted by Cali-Boy916
We are trying first for peacefull contact with Gree. Mikie is still trying, and leaving messages and being a pest and pushing that way. Rome was not built in a day.
No one has agreed to a gem boycott btw, no matter how much people here act like that is the plan of action, it never was and wouldn't be supported as a way to get more content. Those on this foroum who keep posting that there will never be a gem boycott therefore this is all a waste of time...either help or quit complaining.
DK believes hurting gree will only hurt the game. ..but we do want more content, but hope there is a peacefull way.
Reaching out to Gree by phone for instance. Wise One and Elita here on the forum must be aware of the posts and could take back our message to Gree.
So many defeatists and negative people post on this forum.
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Originally Posted by busteroaf
lolololQuote:
Originally Posted by busteroaf
I know how to use Photoshop. Google search for images took one minute. Composition took another five. Don't flatter yourself.
Your own analogy is falling apart the more you talk about it. Before, it was "we want to be paid before we do the work" but now "you wouldn't fight without knowing the rewards, would you?"
Come on, bro! Just give it up! This is too easy.
If you have so much time to spend in forums of a game you more-or-less stopped playing and your only purpose right now is to naysay about an issue you don't support...may I suggest a hobby? Do you want me to send you a jigsaw puzzle of one of Norman Rockwell's famous magazine cover illustrations?
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Originally Posted by PhoenixZee
Well, this is the mystery. You've got banners, and people posting on the forums saying they support the movement. Someone is trying to contact Gree peacefully. And?...Quote:
Originally Posted by firefly333
Since not everyone can be in the chat room... what else is there? Is there any success? Is it just one person so far? Is it multiple people? Calling multiple times? Sending multiple of the same message through tickets and email? We don't know. All we've heard is forums, and one person trying to contact Gree. Do you see where people would question the movement? Maybe updates would slow the negative people.
Mock my responses yet you still can't actually RESPOND to my questions. You sound just like Mark. Talking in circles and never being able to back up your own talk.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sol Invictus
And I don't need to reference a job situation compared to the war reward situation anymore. I've proven my point. You can't back up your "better analogy" so you resort to lame, incorrect images that have nothing to do with my original point.
"Don't need" = "can't", because it failed.Quote:
Originally Posted by busteroaf
Thanks for conceding defeat.
Night.
Still have yet to backup your own posts with a legit response = coward.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sol Invictus
And if you can show how "asking for a raise before doing the work" is not the same as "wanting better rewards before spending gems on wars"... then I will concede. See if you can understand your own statements for once.
How about this one? This look good to you? I figured you'd like this one...mostly because of the half-exposed backside on the boy.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1000-SATURDA...-/291055150857
http://www.letshavefunwithenglish.co...e_the_shot.jpg
Wanna PM me your address so I can send it out to you ASAP?
It's 1,000 pieces, so I figure it'll take you at least two weeks.
Still ducking.
Keep posting, and I'll continue to show you how week your 11+ movement is.
Oh, and keep it up and you'll be known as Mark Jr. The guy that just posts useless nonsense talking in circles and makes his "movement" regret he was ever affiliated with it. Good job MJ.
Post a solid argument back, that is all. You can't do it, can you?
Just because someone only spends $100 in a 3-day war and not $300, it does not follow that the reward for doing so should be relatively useless.
Common sense dictates that rewards should be commensurate with placement. After #10, rewards, for all practical purposes, drop to the floor in terms of value.
Saying that guilds could place in the top X without spending a dime is irrelevant, as effort and coordination have their own inherent value in a team competition.
Saying someone who spends $X or scores X should just find a better guild if they want better rewards is not only a non sequitur, but also impractical since there is only a finite number of players capable of taking the top ten prize and also because of the entrenched advantage consistent top ten guilds have over everyone else.
Me, with my free EB+s or, at best, recently fuseable Epics, will not be able to score as many points on you, with your Epics from the last three wars perhaps even if I outspend you.
Here is an analogy for you, if you're familiar with American football.
#1 is like Super Bowl champions.
#2-10 are like Super Bowl losers. They didn't take home the big prize, but they were still champions of their conference.
#11-100 are like teams who lost the conference title game, but they were still champions of their division.
Rewards should be commensurate with performance regardless of whether or not you personally believe that #11+ didn't spend enough. It's a pretty simple concept that enjoys mass appeal and adoption across a multitude of competitive events.
I support this and think Gree would benefit because more would buy gems to place in top say 50 or 100 if the rewards were worth competing for.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sol Invictus
People who sent lengthy comments are bashing ideas. If you have an idea speak up. Saying you've seen it happen in other app games gives you experience. You should have more ideas then the rest of us yet I see bashing or as firefly said negative feedback.
As far as 11+ rewards go if your putting in the GAME TIME 36 hours of checking knights and dragons during gw you shoukd get something better then an outdated plus version chest. Even if its like a beast key special chest for higher chance for epics.
I still believe gree should make you pay a 10 dollar fee to enter gw with UNLIMITED ENERGY. Would let everyone have a shot at top ten and no more backing down in fights. As far as stat bonuses you pay you get the bonus for eb help on element bonus.
Ive suggested such things to gree through email only to get a message saying ty for your feedback. Thats was over 5 months ago.
So, is GUILD War an individual effort or a GUILD effort? Unfortunately, when you participate in GUILD war... you are playing a team sport. If you don't want to admit that if you and the 9 others who spend money in war aren't being held back by the other 30 that don't, aka the rest of your TEAM, that is your problem. You also assume that the top 10 guilds are constantly full with no way to get into them. There is always flux between members. Guilds are always dropping and adding more people. The Top 10 is not set in stone. Have you ever looked at guild pages post war? Wonder why they drop down in members? People coming and going. Many stepping in for war, and nothing else. The impracticality of having finite space is again, a you problem. You likely could get into a top 10 guild if you wanted. You just don't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sol Invictus
As we've seen MANY times over, people who have never been in the top 10, still manage to find a way in. And with the ability to pre-arrange matches, get strip battles, and the ability to get 2 mil points in a single matchup, it doesn't matter what armor you have. Only gemming capability. Someone with recent epics may have an advantage in a blind, free energy only battle, but if you have the gems and can outspend anyone, playing smart, you can and should outscore the next guy. Me. Whoever.
If you want guild rewards to be commensurate with performance... this is again where the GUILD needs to step up. If you are okay with carrying a guild, so be it. What would you like for it? A courtesy epic? How about a Moontide. Has it been surpassed by EB's yet? What about a Blazebourne? A new fancy ~EB legendary? Does your guild then deserve an epic since they got carried? Are they getting less of a reward because you did more? The only way this will happen is if they make a reward system similar to EB and Arena rewards where as you reach a certain point tier, your individual prizes go up. Would that make it fair? This way, individual effort IS rewarded. Or do you still want your guild as a whole to benefit from a few people doing work?
Also, if you really want to compare the NFL Playoffs and the Superbowl to Guild War... a more accurate comparison is as follows:
#1 = Superbowl Champ
#2-and down Everyone else.
No one gives a rip about who lost, except for the sportscasters and immediate team fans because it gives them something to talk about for the next few months before the season starts again. Yeah, there were still divisional champs, conference champs etc. But no one interviews them to say "you just won the NFC North... what are you doing now?" "Uh... getting ready for the playoffs, Jim." Also, what extra prizes do conference champs get? Are the bonuses similar to winning the Superbowl? I think not. Do you follow?
Or, if you do a simple Google search: The Seahawks players got an extra 96k for their SB win. The Broncos got 46k for their loss. Conference champs: 20k. So from your example, #1 getting 96k, your 11-100 teams should all get rewards that are around 20% of what #1 gets. What is 20% of a new epic? And are these teams all putting in 20% of the revenue that the top teams are? Top 11-15 maybe. Top 25? Doubtful. Top 100? VERY unlikely. This is why they don't give out great prizes for guilds all the way down to 100.
I understand your concerns witht his movement but would it hurt to be a little less skeptical and join the line group? By the way you are asking stuff we didnt do yet and might be worth looking at so thanks ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by busteroaf