No worries. I don't. Which is why I don't believe most of the claims made in this thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigMoney
No worries. I don't. Which is why I don't believe most of the claims made in this thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigMoney
Would leader of one of the top syndicates be more acceptable to you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ragmondino
You acutely get right to the meat of my comment with that. Good job sir. To me, yes, someone in a top syndicate counts as at a worthwhile first source on this, especially since nothing described seems hard to do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ragmondino
While I have your attention, what's your argument for why A&F or Sirius shouldn't state the answer? Are you protecting them from RSI as well?
They won't answer because they have more important things to deal with. This isn't a big matter. Is it right to do? no. Does it make a big difference? No.
They haven't hacked or cheated. It's not even in use anymore. The guy who created it is nowhere to he seen anymore.
Gree have more important things to spend there time on. Like players who hack there stats, steal other players gold, actually making the game work properly without glitches and mess ups.
Yes he is a leader of rogues, one of the higher placed syns. No he isn't one of the games top players.
Most people in the game have nicer had or will never have access to this. Your falling maybe 100-150 players tops.
Get over it.
Did you not just say that it was unfair that some people had it and others did, because it provided an unfair advantage?Quote:
FFS there are people who aren't in the Three Teams of Greatness. Something can matter and not affect You up in your chalet spending a thousand bucks per battle.
Yes, you did.Quote:
If so, we need to all know it, so we can all use these tools or generate our own. It isn't fair to have different rules for top players
So if it were being used the way you are saying it is, then it is providing the information that I just said I could provide from personal knowledge.
The information from the guy who didn't know about it - despite it being openly discussed on the forums, and everywhere else - until after the whole issue had died, tells you that its percolating down? Sorry if I don't find that to be a major issue.Quote:
The indication from Drake is that this software seems to have percolated through to the leaders of top 25 syndicates, and it seems like merely a matter of time before it diffuses down much further.
To clarify: It has not been passed around, it is not spreading. It is dead and buried, and has been for some time.
The reason claimed by MT and others for the database was that it was used to find cheaters. There was a cheater-identification chat with many of the t25 teams represented. Cheaters found via the database were posted in the chat. Suspected cheaters from the chat were checked with the database.Quote:
No doubt, but email quotes from one of the top players of this game count for something surely. I still don't see why anyone should oppose an admin stating Gree policy on this. Zeemer's given a characteristically dissembling argument on that one. You know, he's heroically preventing people from wasting time typing ten words. If you buy that, shrug.
You don't believe the claimed use, but you do believe that the people in the cheater chat had access to the whole database? I really don't understand where you're coming from. Either MT is a reliable witness, or he is not. You can't cherry pick out-of-context facts and disregard the rest.
Now you've got me completely flummoxed. I've been in 2 of the top 3 syndicates, but you're not believing a word I say.Quote:
To me, yes, someone in a top syndicate counts as at a worthwhile first source on this.
Has ANYONE here tried to argue that the mods shouldn't say something? A few people have said that green drake is an idiot for making such a big deal out of this, but that's not even close to the same thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by zwiswoo
Maybe he's a social worker...Quote:
Originally Posted by bald zeemer
Sorry that you feel my questioning information being made public is idiotic. I have made every attempt to ascertain what occurred with my account privately and directly with gree. I have asked them repeatedly via email what information was available and accessible by beardy. I am not on this forum often so my apologies that this has been discussed in the past and i was unaware. Does a thread already exist where gree has commented on this?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dipstik
This is not something that has happened in the distant past. It is occurring now. Since I do not participate in any such information gathering please forgive me questioning how it works and what information can be obtained. Apparently the people commenting on this thread know what information is contained in such database. I do not.
It was posted what info is available
Your line of argument here is not even coherent. I said, for any tool like this the acceptability under TOS should be very clear and explicit. Otherwise only the shadier or more unscrupulous people use it. I also rejected your novel argument later that the tool doesn't matter, because top 3 syndicates are rich enough (basically) to not need it anyway. What contradiction you discern between these two statements I cannot begin to fathom. Frankly, there is none.Quote:
Originally Posted by bald zeemer
When someone says (and demonstrates) that he has a tool that supports all sorts of unexpected, even nefarious uses[*], I believe him readily, especially given the demonstration. When he or someone else says later that oh no, he doesn't cheat using the tool because he's all honest and stuff, I'm less inclined to take that on faith.Quote:
Originally Posted by bald zeemer
More to the point, when I know that this kind of access is possible, and that bad uses are not protected against, I want to know what the admins and company make of it, even though the great ones say they are pure as the driven snow.
[*] yes I know the top 3 are so rich all such tools are meaningless to them. You've said this (and apparently I'm supposed to believe either everything or nothing you say.) I hope we won't need to re-argue your ridiculous point that the ability to scout every opponent team for free doesn't matter.
In a previous discussion of this iteachem posted info on his own account gathered by this method and passed to him. I don't recall what the thread title was now, but you could try searching his posts (it was a very recent one) or pm him on the subjectQuote:
Originally Posted by Green Drake
Both Zeemer and Ragmondino have said they want to avoid the admins making a statement on this, because it's such a big waste of company resources and time to state policy. Thanks for asking.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dipstik
I stopped reading at "idiotic."Quote:
Originally Posted by Green Drake
If you're not actually reading my posts, I won't bother responding to you.
Morphine I have read that post and had commented on it as well. Actually I believe that is where I originally posted Matt's email. It was started by someone other than iteachem and he commented showing his mined data as an example of what occurs. However I do not believe anyone from admin commented on that thread either. I have attempted to search for previous posts regarding this issue but have been unsuccessful. Thank you though.Quote:
Originally Posted by sister morphine
I never said that. I purely said why they are not responding. I wish they would just so that you would stop whining.Quote:
Originally Posted by zwiswoo
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Originally Posted by iteachem