I still think this sums it up best. No matter what you do, no advantage is given.Quote:
Originally Posted by DunkNL
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I still think this sums it up best. No matter what you do, no advantage is given.Quote:
Originally Posted by DunkNL
Wahhhhhh! Last I checked this was a war game not hide and seek. Get outta the bushes and fight you sissies! Half these campers are probably the ones on your faction that are not fighting in battles. They don't want to lose units by fighting in battles, but happy to get the free ones for joining a faction and mooching. Plus they don't contribute because they don't fight. I have 3 players on my faction like this right now and will be booting them an hour before battle begins to screw them out of earning units in this next battle. Hopefully they wont be able to get in another faction before battle starts. I am going to let them know why i did what i did too, so they will learn they cant be a mooch and will get called out.
Still an issue.
Fix it.
Im not a camper, I only started playing 3 months ago and do not have a big iph so I can not sustain the cost of unit losses this new rivals list has done to me. I have had to stop PvP because i was getting weaker due to massive expensive unit losses that I could not afford to replace. If they want to keep this rivals list then limit the amount of unit loss or pay out in game cash as a reward for every attack like valor. Then unvaulted cash gets added to the base amount as a bonus and unvaulted is all that the looser looses.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigBassTurd
Very harsh! If they don't they contribute to the WD event, fair enough, but to leave it to the last minute is not going to go down very well with your other members as they wonder if they will be in for the chop next time. Good luck with that!Quote:
Originally Posted by BigBassTurd
I have the problem to. I'm level 125 with approx. 126k defence and 87k attack. I used to be able to find loads of weaker players to attack and collect concrete. But since i made the stupid mistake to buy some gold for the composites factory and upgrading it to level 6, I only get paired with strong opponents... Guess the message from gree is that once you've bought gold once, you haveto keep spending money to be able to play... What a shame!
Really? I'm guessing you can still go to your rivals list and find targets that you can attack and win. Get outta the bushes and fight? When you get a rivals list of players with defense from 150k over your attack down to just level with your attack? Attacking the players on the rivals list I've been getting the past couple of weeks would be suicide. I'm not a camper either. Nor do I want to be. If I were a camper I wouldn't even bother looking at my rivals list. If I didn't want to attack, I wouldn't bother opening the damn thing. And I've been on the front lines of every war my faction has fought, with the exception of those where I'm grabbing a few hours' sleep. You clearly don't understand the conversation here or you wouldn't be so quick to insult people who have a legitimate complaint.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigBassTurd
Don't waste your time on BigTrollTurd, he never posts anything that has required any kind of logic. Almost everyone understands what the issue is Redcloud, and feels your painQuote:
Originally Posted by RedCloud
Thx CDR. Haven't been here long enuf to know the players yet. But it's not good to throw gasoline on a bunch of smoldering MWers. Somebody could get burned, lol.
The problem is the complaints are being ignored or falling on deaf ears. Either way it doesn't appear that it is going to get acknowledged.
I just keep going back to the it has been "requested for so long by so many people." Hmmm.
I saw someone else say it too. Just open the whole thing up. If level 100-140 players can attack me then let me hit on some of those level 30-80campers. Seems only fair at this point!
I don't think it will affect a lot of the campers as when they add allies there stats should be half decent whereas myself and a few other faction members have always been fighters, quickly rising in level without spending as much as we should on getting the base 100% right, so its not about being a sissy us fighters are getting it worse, even with 500 allies I would say 80% of my attack list has stats twice as high, I have had comments about not leaving the game and as I have mentioned in other posts two members have left and sold up there bases... I haven't played with this player since the change and thankfully my main player has changed to this yet..Quote:
Originally Posted by BigBassTurd
Which leaves the question what do we have to do to get an answer on this... i mean seriously, even if its confirmation that these are the changes and that's it, at least then we can let players know whats going on in our factions that don't come to the forum....
Adding allies doesnt help you at all. You get stronger, your rivals get stronger. You may as well keep at 3 allies and keep and indestructible army. Whats the point of allies now?
LagBolt, I've been thinking and thinking and so far haven't come up with a game strategy that makes sense if you can't PVP. Do you have any ideas? I mean, if Gree won't or can't clean up this mess, is there a way we can salvage our games and still find some fun/entertainment with MW? I don't want to have to quit over this.
I'm in the same boat as you guys. I don't have it as bad, there are still enough players that I can defeat if I absolutely have to, but unless I'm getting +1 mil per hit by raiding moneybags, there's no way I can do any kind of regular pvp and come out on top. I'm lvl 79 w/ 54k atk and I'm losing valor and very-low casualty rate units to people with 25k def (which is as low as I can find... and even they are extremely rare).Quote:
Originally Posted by RedCloud
The most frustrating thing is that it doesn't seem to affect everyone... I just talked to someone who is 5 lvls higher than me with 125k a/d who is still finding rivals with less than 20k def... makes me want to quit.
Sorry Mgriss. I know how frustrating it is, and it seems like Gree has no interest in helping us solve this. So we're playing under a handicap. I just keep thinking there must be some strategy we can use to overcome that handicap. IDK, it'll probably take a better mind than mine to come up with something...Quote:
Originally Posted by mgriss
I just don't want to see 4-digit ally players on my PVP list, I have under 100 allies. That means a 2-digit number ... 2-digit vs 4-digit, whose idea was that?! I'm at 600K IPH and I still can't afford to start buying strong units. First, because they die off at the same rate because the low/high casualty no longer makes any difference in raids vs non-money buildings or weaker foes. I lost all the valor along with the units I bought, there is no point to doing anything except missions for entertainment.
There is now no way of being the strongest in your tier. Its an endless ladder.Quote:
Originally Posted by RedCloud
Looking at the new LE set is interesting. Gree must be losing money to resort to giving out 2 piece LE sets. But you shouldn't buy them. Gold units are pointless- they will get you nowhere now, you will just get put with stronger people still.
Im still shocked that CJ hasnt even acknowledged this thread and the feedback he asked for.
Same here. It bothered me a lot that CJ found time to answer everybody's questions about the LTQ but couldn't stop in to give us even a quick update on the rivals list. If I knew for sure that it's staying the way it is, I'd quit. As long as there's some chance they'll revert to the old formula, I'll try to stick around. But no more gold purchases till I know. I'm not even doing Tapjoy anymore. I'm just doing the minimum to try to keep my game alive till either something changes or till I hear from Gree that it isn't going to change.Quote:
Originally Posted by LagBolt
^ too hard basket
LOL, here in the States we have something called the "circular file." It's the next stop after the too hard basket.Quote:
Originally Posted by WI(AusNz)
Blame PJ. (joke)
CJ said that people had been calling for it to be changed to be based on "power". Is this thread what you were talking about CJ?
http://www.funzio.com/forum/showthre...ist-Visibility
If so, about 5 people supported the idea and got it changed. But when everyone now opposes the change in practice, there is nothing but silence?
Just say something gree. Get it changed back
Since this change I have lost 92 of my 300 expert attack drones already, and just no way to get enough valor to buy them back :(
That poll really had more to do with the "whale zone" and the level 90s glitch at that time. L90 players were showing up in the whale zone. I have never agreed with the way top players can see all the way down to L130 and still don't.Quote:
Originally Posted by LagBolt
This new rivals list is complete garbage. I spent a lot of money to be strong at my level. Completely wasted.
You know Dawg, the whales don't bother me all that much (I'm over 130). It doesn't hurt me any more to get hit by an 800k attack player than it does to get hit by somebody at 80k. They both win, but the unit losses I see aren't all that different. So I don't care if they see me. I just wish MY rivals list wasn't so full of them. My list now runs about 85% players completely out of my reach (including a fair number of whales), and 15% with unboosted defense at or just a bit below my attack strength. It's pretty much shut me down.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigD@wg
But I definitely hear you about money--real money--spent pursuing a legit strategy and then the developers come along and invalidate that strategy. Sure would be nice to get a refund wouldn't it?
It sure would be nice. Would love a refund!Quote:
Originally Posted by RedCloud
Same here - 90% of my rival list is people with vastly different stats to mine.
I only have 40 allies and they have 200-600.
Worst. Algorithm. Ever.
Agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by olka
where are you CJ, when will this be changed back?
It's been nearly three weeks since CJ asked what we think of the new algorithm, and though he's made appearances on other threads (e.g., yesterday he was here helping people figure out the new event), he's never come back to respond to us on this topic. It's been on the front page of the forum for all that time, but not a peep from the devs. I believe we're being ignored in the hope we'll just go away...quit the game, whatever. Apparently this doesn't affect enough players to be worth their time.
All you players who weren't negatively affected by the new algorithm, watch and learn. This is what you can expect from Gree when something goes wrong with your game.
Still a massive issue for me.
Everyone on my rivals currently has 4x as many allies as me.
Please fix.
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Would like to go back to seeing all kinds of rivals from my level, or to see rivals that are playing as long as i am, so we can finally demolish those campers!
Another opinion:
If you look on this thread...
http://www.funzio.com/forum/showthre...ist-Visibility
...you can see Pirate Justice reply, especially "It COULD be grouped by attack and defense capability"
And Gree do this. Maybe if Pirate Justice tell to Gree "Change it back" or at least "fix casualty bug" - they finally do something.
(nothing personal buddy ;))
Just chacking in to see if anyone has responded yet. CJ, I know you are all extremely busy trying to make this game better, but please, please, please respond to this thread and share Gree's intentions on the rival list. I could have dealt with the casualties, but the new rival list rendered this LTE unplayable for me, evwn after dumping gold at the beginning. I finally had to stop due to the list I had and the inability to drop and add allies to search for buildings I could raid and people I could beat.
I never go over vault, own no ltd buildings and have a pretty average IPH. I wear the brown helmet...nothing distinctive about me but my name, which will become either Sir or Alex just as soon as the new name change option becomes available. I don't actually get many re-visits, and don't really draw many attacks or raids most of the time, but this event has been brutal. (P.S. Back when I had a usable rival's list I used to look for the off-color names, the kind of names junior high school kids would tend to choose. It was surprising how many people who chose those those names turned out to be very low def targets--high attack sometimes, but low def almost always.)Quote:
Originally Posted by somedude
My rivals list stays at one level sometimes two levels my other buddies that play the game can see up to six or seven levels up or down is there someway I can do the same
lol, i just posted that yeasterday.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sucker
You must have seen this thread CJ, why no answer? Whats gree hiding?
But they didn't do what Pirate Justice suggested. The point in that thread was to get lower defense players off the list of the whales. I've got a guy showing up on my rival's list with over 600k attack. My defense is in the 80k range. That is most definitely not what PJ was suggesting. I know PJ can be cryptic, but he was pretty clear on this one.Quote:
Originally Posted by LagBolt
Oh...why won't you respond to us Gree??? What do we have to do to get this changed back?
I just want to keep this thread at the top, as this is ridiculous, maybe if we complain long enough and loud enough they will switch it back.
The new algorithm makes no sense to me. Apparently people at a higher level and with more allies can see me, but I never see them. How is that possible? BTW I am a very LLP (<25) and this affects me. I can no longer be the strongest player at my level, because level effectively doesn't matter anymore.
:mad:
I think we experience this problem very differently.
I am probably the strongest on my rival list but once i am over-vaulted, i get smacked by rivals many 1000s allies higher. I cannot see them back.
Getting smacked by rivals when overvaulted is acceptable if they are on your rival range, but many 1000s above you is not fair. Goes back to the fact that its not worth buying gold because you can always outpace your rivals, but you cannot outpace your rivals who are many 1000s allies stronger.
If this was suggested by Pirates, it goes to proove that once you spend many $1000s in this game, you stop being a player and start being a partner.