The Hate Mob are ruining the forum.

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Originally Posted by Agent Orange

Sigh...... I think the saddest part of this thread is deep down inside we all want the same thing. For the game to return to when it was fun, vibrant and full of great people playing.

Unfortunately it has degenerated into a disorganized mess further exaspirated by a breakdown in communication between the company and it's customers. I feel that at one point many would have stuck around and continued to spend if the value was still there. It isn't once you drop into the beginner and lower levels which are populated with one player factions or factions with a whale for a DL and then filled out with non participating LLPs.

I also feel that everyone is entitled to there opinions on both sides of this disaGREEment but seriously the game is going down the toilet and we all want it saved but in all honestly I now feel it is too late. Why a lot of us older timers have given up providing suggestions on how to pull out of the tailspin or just logging in here other than to see when the plug got pulled since this game is on serious life support.

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Whole heartedly agree here AO. I think Gree killed it with the extreme stat inflation. The game was great back when stats were in the 100's of thousands instead of trillions. IPH was measured on the same scale also. Factions coming in were a great addition also. But soon after that Gree got greedy and basically sent this game into a tailspin despite great opposition from many greats on the forums telling them they are going too far. Too many events with no time in between. this forum and game are nothing more than a train wreck anymore. If only Gree would have listened, even a little bit to the player base.

Attempts have been made with the company and its representatives beyond numerous times. Just look at the lack of response to the bi-weekly thread and the one about ongoing issues.

The ego has been self admitted numerous times, in this very thread even, so you must either not be looking too hard or need to pay better attention.

As to the apathy, look at your very own statement above and you will see what I mean.

You are correct, everyone is free to spend how they wish. And while no one is holding a gun to their head forcing anyone to spend, neither is anyone holding a gun to their head and forcing them NOT to spend. No one is impeding anyone else's rights. Everyone's spending habits affects everyone else here. Questioning why someone spends what they do and even urging them not to, is not taking away anyone's freedom to do what they want With! Their! Own! Money!

The flip side of this is also true, but was never railed against in the past like what we see today. People that chose not to spend were belittled and berated for daring have an opinion or requests or complaints because they didn't contribute enough to have any right to such entitlements, so why should anyone really care about them anyway? The real dynamic here seems to be that spenders are now vastly outnumbered by active non-spenders and are taking issue with us for their decreasing numbers when they in fact had just as much to do with it as anybody. The only real difference is, many of us recognize that and they don't.

As for getting Gree to respond to the many list of complaints by a collective boycott at the top, that, I believe is way too late. They will pull the plug. I've witnessed it before though. Sup used to hold power in this company. Now, I forget the issue that it was but sup did at one time a few years ago threaten to boycott WD and boy oh boy, did Gree ever get the issue fixed pronto. Sadly I don't think Gree has the resources or know how to do it any longer.

J man, your attitude is exactly the problem rob, vega, I , and others have spoken about. Yes you are attacking anyone whose views don't agree with yours. No, you are wrong about the non spenders being attacked. Never in the way that spender have, and these people, myself included have never attacked non spenders for not spending. You are hateful and spiteful. If your problem is really with gree then attack them. Yet you attack anyone who posts something you don't like. You guys have said I do this. No, I only respond when you guys attack others, myself, or my team, which is a constant. I see at least some of the other guys maybe are realizing that attacking people may have been a bad choice, and at least appear to be willing to have discussions even if it seems they still don't agree. It looks like many of you want the spenders not to do so. That's wishful thinking, and feel free to say so, but I see it being pushed hard, and trying to say that the spenders are indeed the problem. That's been said from day one, and I'd have to disagree with that message. Spending at current levels would have gotten GREE's attention in the past in a big way, yet they havnt made the changes that we have requested. As rob mentioned earlier, all that will do is shut it down, which might make some of you happy, but it's his happiness is all that should concern him. Jman, quit trying g to explain what rob really said ( incorrectly) what he did say what quote clear and coherent. It was not what you later translated into something different. He never said he played because someone told him too, etc. guys, each side of this discussion has made their feelings clear. You're not going to convince the other to change what they are doing. I would never try to tell anyone that their entertainment requires them to not spend, or to spend. if you chose to spend, great for you. If you chose not to spend, good for you too. Different strokes for different folks. We should all stop trying to tell others what they should do. Stating your views is one thing. Insisting they are a problem because they do or do not spend is not right. You have the right not to spend, you also have the right to spend. Neither is wrong, they're personal choices. Spenders, despite what has been said, don't try to force others to spend, or try to coerce those that want to stop spending. I have always understood each person reaches their time for that to end. Sometimes it's due to time, sometimes money, sometimes they've just run their course and no longer enjoy the game.

Ajk, I believe you are correct in that statement. At this point, those who still find enjoyment, let them have their fun. Those that don't, we say a fond farewell to you. I don't think anything substantive can be accomplished at this point with any amount of organized effort.

Ahhhhhh one big happy family....... lmfao

Hey crazy, group hugs all around for everyone

Where have I attacked anyone dump? In addition, I did nothing but question further what Rob had to say. You constantly come here name calling anytime anyone doesn't agree with YOU, and that's fine in your book, but mere questions constitute an attack? Is it because we, in your eyes, have the gall to dare question anything of you, our gracious overlord and his chosen cabal? That is that attitude you display here, intended or not.

You are quite wrong about the history of no spenders being ridiculed, looked down upon, and belittled for not doing so. I did not say it was specifically by you or any others currently here for that matter. The fact that the number of spenders has been in steady decline for a very long time is why it's not seen like it once was, but it has occurred.

Of our two differing opinions, one has had an actual real world negative impact on the game, and one has had no impact. So which do you think is yours?

Reality is this, to us it's a game. To Gree, it's revenue. They don't care what we say, think, or feel. If money comes in, they're happy. If it doesn't, they get rid of MW. They don't fix it.

What everyone seems to have lost is the point from the op. Player bashing....

We all have the same hopes for the game, we all have ideas for making it better. But no company will care what we have to say while they profit. "STOP SPENDING THEN!!", you say. Haha, then say goodbye to MW. It's cheaper for them to dump it then hassle with the likes of us.

You like the game, great! You hate they game/company, great! But if someone posts a thread requesting info or help, we need to oblige them, not treat them like idiots for playing the game. After all, we all fall under that category. Don't we?

Every thread turns into a pissing match anymore, with everyone telling each other how they should think, spend, or whatever. This is why less positivity is here. Yes, many players have quit. But most are just sick of the garbage spewed here, so they chat and pass along info else where.

The game is not what it once was, we don't have much control over that (realistically). But we have, almost, complete control over what's posted here. Start with that and see where it leads....

You are right there JBS. But the fact is, when people ask for help, they do get it. At least as best as anyone here can provide it. Further, I don't recall it ever coming from the likes of dump, vega, brownout, or even Rob. But negativity towards the game aside, I can easily find that help coming from AO, DM, or any other multitude of complainers. Yes even groovy and dew, in his own cryptic way.

As I said earlier, people have tried going the GREE route to correct things. Now they are trying the player route. Not that the players are to blame, but to say the share none of the responsibility for the current situation is preposterous. While it may be a futile attempt, I'd rather see them trying to do something than sitting back and doing nothing to get GREE to change.

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Originally Posted by J-manKometh96

You are right there JBS. But the fact is, when people ask for help, they do get it. At least as best as anyone here can provide it. Further, I don't recall it ever coming from the likes of dump, vega, brownout, or even Rob. But negativity towards the game aside, I can easily find that help coming from AO, DM, or any other multitude of complainers. Yes even groovy and dew, in his own cryptic way.

As I said earlier, people have tried going the GREE route to correct things. Now they are trying the player route. Not that the players are to blame, but to say the share none of the responsibility for the current situation is preposterous. While it may be a futile attempt, I'd rather see them trying to do something than sitting back and doing nothing to get GREE to change.

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Again you have to get your diggs in. All the names you mentioned above have helped players with constructive answers. Both camps have helped people at some timeline in the history of this forum.

If you dont like the game then vote with the delete app button, many have! but stop with the constant put downs. You just sound like a bitter dude.

Its not big and its not clever.

It wasn't an attempt at a dig. If it were, there are others I would have mentioned, simply because they do have differing viewpoints than myself. I plainly don't recall any kind of help offered by any of them, but I will gladly edit my post for any you find that has done so four times in the last 6 months.

People disagree, so what?
Ultimately, THE GREE is gonna DEW what THE GREE wants to DEW.
Frankly, its none of my bitness, never was, never will be.
Bon chance to all.
Bonne chance à tous...

I think AO was right that we all want this game to be what it was, and I like him believe it is too far down the toilet. I still play gold free now with my faction. I chose to go free about 6 months ago because I saw where this game was heading. We all have opinions, none of them are right or wrong for the most part.
I enjoy reading posts from Dew, it is funny watching him and speed go bCk and forth as that is more entertaining than the game itself. I don't care how much anyone spends or doesn't spend, I don't understand why some still spend on this game but that's only my opinion.

I think tHis is a great discussion, hopefully gree can read what is being said and do something about it.

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Originally Posted by DEWIN NUTTIN

People disagree, so what?
Ultimately, THE GREE is gonna DEW what THE GREE wants to DEW.
Frankly, its none of my bitness, never was, never will be.
Bon chance to all.
Bonne chance à tous...

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Boss be rite agin.
We likes the boss