Gree did not do ALL of the creating though. Gree can create the blank hoods and level one characters. It is up to others to do the rest. The characters that are being sold have been "created" by those that have spent, in most cases, YEARS and LOTS of MONEY.Quote:
Originally Posted by Weasel
Why shouldn't the creator of those accounts be allowed to be compensated for their effort if a market exists for such creations?
Because it's a game and games have rules?
It's like any other product in the world of computing. You have a license to use it (in this case the license continues to be free of charge) and nothing more. All rights remain with the company, whether you like it or not. The player's "creation" is limited to use of the various buildings, weapons etc designed by the company for use in the game. How much money any individual player spends to obtain those items is down to them; there's no obligation to spend.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dat Guy
The thing about buying a decent account is that it actually encourages the buyer to use gold to protect his initial investment in the account.
The type of person who is willing to buy a crime city account is not likely to be someone fresh off the street who has never played the game before. It's someone who already knows the game mechanics and economics who can place a value on the stats of the account. The price they pay for the account must be a discount on the price they would pay in gold to reach similar stats.
I would wager that the main reason this person would consider buying another account is because the cost to reach their desired stat level with gold alone is prohibitive. Without the opportunity to buy an account at a discount, this person (and therefore the general population) is likely to spend less on gold.
Remeber guys, Crime City is past its prime. Why would anyone buy in at this point anyway? New blood is obviously on the decline, hence why we see Gree gouging old timers as much as possible with the rerelease of LTBs, the last drop of decency left to milk. It may not hurt if this practice is not wide-spread, but banning sold accounts will not help their bottom line at this point in the game's life-cycle.
This is a classic case of human trafficking.....these avatars are being pimped against their will and GREE is just looking out for their welfare.
Let's keep this on topic, guys. The real issue Monte is bringing up isn't the morality of transferring accounts; behind the thinly veiled jabs and couched words, he's pointing out another instance of Gree giving the top team, and only the top team, an advantage. Remember that war where Lights Out completed the steak and FC didn't, yet both teams got the prize?
Practices like that are what this discussion should be about, not quibbling over details on what's already been decided. It's in the TOS, people; there's nothing you can gain by whining about how unfair it is.
One huge exception is if they're buying an overpowered account; I can tell you first hand that stat inflation is a very minor problem at the bottom, and my top 50 account, though it's been stagnant for over a month, still has stats 50x that of puerile I come across in wars. Buying a big account for a lower ranked syndicate is a one and done deal; set it up as the DL and watch the defensive wins pile up! Feed all your RB gold to it and watch it singlehandedly take down bosses your syndicate couldn't. Nothing in it for Gree then.Quote:
Originally Posted by OffensivelyNamedGuy
To real people, it just sounds like like the usual whine, lacking credibility.Quote:
Originally Posted by sister morphine
"Doing the rest" does not involve creating anything. Gree is the creator of every account.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dat Guy
If possession is 9/10 of the law, and 100% of the information pertaining to any given account is stored on servers owned and opereated by Gree, Gree is also the sole owner of every account.
According to montebore, the top team has always been SAS.Quote:
Originally Posted by John_Locke
Gree handles issues on a case by case basis, always have. There is no proof of any favouritism, only what is sometimes perceived by crybabies as special treatment.
The details of any given issue are not shared by Gree, so unless the affected party/parties clearly and fully explain the issue to people who have no part in resolving the matter, the best anyone has is speculation.
And with montebore/SAS, it always devolves into a ridiculous game of broken telephone. An additional problem there is that whatever the original message delivered to them, it was likely intentionally broken to begin with.
Pulling SAS puppet strings has been the real game for a lot of people for a long time. It's cheaper than paying Gree, and while being far from challenging it does provide the same if not greater enjoyment than the actual game itself.
Thanks for that; I need a good laugh today! If you genuinely think companies don't treat big spenders differently than others, you're in sore need of some quality one on one time with the business world.Quote:
Originally Posted by Weasel
TheJess: Assuming you feel my accusations lack credibility, many TAW members have basically told me that they think the rat is in TAW, they just don't know who it is.
Weasel: Don't confuse the words "top" and "best". SAS has rarely been the "top" team. They have always been the "best" team.
Not entirely relevant to this situation.Quote:
Originally Posted by John_Locke
A player report is a player report. If a sold account is reported to Gree and an investigation determines the report to be true, the origin of the report is not relevant. OP is just going on about some next "TAW did.. Whatever" rant because that's what he does.
Monty may be a tool who's wedded to his overspending second-ranked team, but he's (coincidentally) probably right about this. It may be human nature to bend the rules for your best customers, but as players of a game we should expect even-handed application of the rules.
I hope to see many more accounts deleted as the policy is enforced uniformly.
Yes, it was probably those damned molly maguires who reported the accounts. Could never have been TAW!Quote:
Originally Posted by Weasel
You said it all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dipstik