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1 billion attack against my 2.7 billion defense. 6 successful raids with no losses. This is typical now and it needs to be restored to how it worked before. What's the point in improving your stats if anyone can attack or raid you? Gree, please look into the changes made. Something was done to cause this change. You used to need your attack to be about 75% of the defense to have a shot. Now stats don't event matter. This is crazy insulting to your customers.
Precisely what they want us to do. And for the record it has always been broken to begin with.Quote:
Originally Posted by Snatcher
The logical question becomes, why play? Well I keep hoping that eventually they fix it and bring back some level of strategy however that hope is now fading fast...
As you can see by the many responses from those of us who have been stupid enough to play this game for a long time. There HAS been a change!!!
We are not liars, we have a good understanding of the game. I appreciate you giving feedback, but something in the last week or so is not working as before.
But i couldn't care less anymore, in a way im glad! Moved to a lower faction and will spend my spare cash on things more worthy.
It's true, it did change historically, and CJ posted about it when it did. Back when the game had the pvp/fvf event, you'd look for people who's BP rank was above yours and who's defense was slightly higher than your attack and raid their barracks or Elite Training Facility, and the BP you get from doing so would be substantially higher. If your atk was 85% of their def stat, your success rate would be about 50%. Below that and you'd lose.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hobbs
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Originally Posted by Tadaaah
precisely the reason I said no mods on this thread.
they don't help in diffusing the situation or offering a solution all they do is create more confusion
an earlier e.g would be when the new 30min war/fl where they didn't let us know if we could declare in the last hr or not and they wanted us to know we should know things by now
similarly over here they have no solution a similar argument where we are supposed to understand and believe that things were always this worse
so no more mods on this thread you guys are of no help
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Originally Posted by Bobar
yeah might take another three years to understand and then
they will change there mind again
Am, I'm sorry Tadaaah, but that's NOT what I am seeing. Ask the devs to check again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tadaaah
I just raided a building on a player with 1.3 (1.3 billion defense) to my 6.5 attack and it's defo using over all defense, building defense bonus is 0.
Not only is it "not obvious", it's not even available to see at all, if it even exists.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tadaaah
And it's definitely not how it's always been. Anyone who has been playing the game for as little as 10 months remembers when they couldn't raid a player if their attack stat was less than 80-85% of the other player's defense stat, and even then a win was up to a random chance "spin".
Seriously, just because someone in the office who has worked there for a few months tells you something, that doesn't make it true or official. Well, maybe it's the "official position", but only in the political sense, since it's still untrue. The game has been around for years, and the people who have been playing long enough remember full well and accurately how things used to function before they were changed - and many things have been changed, including this.
i still do prefer this moderated forum. and i still hope gree starts to do, what they planned to do: improving their public relations and giving better informations.Quote:
Originally Posted by usman
but it really has to start with a better communication between mods & devs.
it begins to be excatly the same story as with cj. he wanted to inform us, gave his best but got wrong infos from others and was blamed for it.
there are other forums without at least offical gree employees - try those if you dont want them generally.
An open dialogue with mods is exactly what we need. What frustrates us is when they randomly pop in and give a bit of wrong or confusing information and then don't follow up. A good dialogue would go like this:
Us: WTF is up with low attack people suddenly being able to raid buildings from much stronger people??
Mod: Nothing has changed. What you are seeing is player attack stats exceeding building defense stats.
Us: No, as experienced members we can tell you that's not true (as described in the last 169 posts).
Mod: Hmmm, I must be mistaken. You seem to know what you're talking about. I'll discuss with the developers and get back to you within a few hours.
Mod (a few hours later): After speaking with the developers, it appears they made a change which made it too easy to get raided. Since you worked so hard to build defense stats (and we're already giving out too much attack stats), we're going to revert back immediately to the original code. Thank you for your input.
This thread is now close to 2 weeks old with 170 posts and still up high on page 1... I think that we, the players, address something that Gree have not fixed, nor explained in a satisfactory manner... Hence, it is time for Mr Tadaaah to have a meeting with the developers and get a clear answer to what we, the players, have been reporting and how it will be solved...
I cant imagine that is too much to ask for, or....?
A vivid imagination you have.Quote:
Originally Posted by Captain Steelman
So if this has been like this for awhile tadaah, answer this!
How can I with 1.6 Bil attack try to raid someone with 1.7 Bil def and fail 100% of 15 tries???
But someone with 250 mil attack raids me 100% success to my 910 mil def??
According to logic, I essentially yes should lose "some" when I raid and the guy who raided me should "fail" EVERY attempt. Keep in mind the guy who raided me didn't touch my defense builds or even my boost. And no they didn't have 2.5 Bil atk because when testing their defense they had a whopping 180 mil
For 3 years, I've kept a weekly (most times daily) eye on this forum. I rarely speak, have always found my way back to the forum after an account ban (2 total), and use this forum to stay connected to the pixels that we call Modern War.
.....to all of you Verbose Veterans, and Prominent Poets, I commend all of you for your input into both MW, and this forum. Mickymacirl, Thief, Web, etc.. You guys (gals) have as much to do with my ability to continue playing MW for the past 3 years, as much as the gold junkies and developers have had (the aforementioned two may be one-in-the-same) ;)
GREE, the intelligence of the members of this forum shouldn't be taken for granted. When the speakers speak (minus the trolls), listen...learn....and implement. It is what keeps this game interesting....not the non-stop events..not the insane stats......it is in the evolution.
Now, on the flip side, we as a forum community really aren't very friendly. How transparent and how well do you communicate to people who are unfriendly. Only speaking to you resident trolls, who would rather use this forum to bathe in the misery that is your universe, than allow the people who are here to mediate change and transparency the freedom and opportunity to do so.
GREE, communicate better from the top-down. When you all are on the same page, communicate clearly to us.
There's an obvious issue tadaah... need to do more then just have developers look at this issue.
Ive been playing now for close to 3 yrs. heres how i thought it worked.
Player A- attacking- 200,000,000 att stats
Player B- defensive- 250,000,000 def stats, plus 45 bld def, plus 90 cannon def= 250,000,135
So if, Player A raids player B, they should lose- 200,000,000 vs 250,000,135
Then fudge in the skill points for a variation.
So, according to the mods, im 100% wrong, yet I have a 99% success rate. I wish i could play that well and not understand the game in a casino!
Couldn't have said it better. Tired of us unfriendly intelligent trolls? Listen to us. We do know what we're talking about. I guarantee you that some of us invest more of our lives in this game than most gree employees. Don't give us apples and call them oranges. We know the difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by I Will Merc You
Temp alliance boosts are enough to make the weak strong. Don't disregard our hard work too. Keep us happy and we don't bash you. Better yet, we give you money. It truly is in gree's best interest to not be... well... mentally handicapped.
Hopefully others realize that with gree's new attack boosts handed out for opening the app, the NEW lopsided raid system, and lack of support for issues, gold spending can go way down. It's actually coming to where I don't even think of buying more. Almost saddening.
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Originally Posted by Agent Orange
Spot on Agent Orange! I agree that a Dev adjusted the coding without knowing the reason why building defense stats where disabled.
The game is broken. End of. Period.
Refund us all our hard earned money to build stats which now basically amounts to nothing!
I have done mine, have you?
How many screw ups can one make before 'standing up to be counted'?
who remembers when GREE released the 1 gold plane unit that many of us bought only to have them remove them "because they made a mistake with pricing the unit"?
who subsequently remembers us mistakenly buying the ship with 2000+ gold for Frontline but GREE refused to honour refunds because we mistakenly bought the ships because we were fast tapping during deployment?
How many more do you guys remember of such lies, deceit and hypocrisy?
The moment this was posted, every one of us knew you don't play this game. It is a completely false statement and extraordinarily obvious to EVERYONE who does play MW! You were misinformed. That is a fact. It has never worked this way until a couple weeks ago. Who should you believe, Gree devs with an amazing streak of spectacularly bad mistakes, or every single one of us who know with 100% certainty that this is a very recent and an incredibly game ruining change, that if not corrected, gives none of us a reason to continue. Yet again, it's the customers who are right and yet again, Gree is ignoring us and denying or ignoring the obvious.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tadaaah
Defense means nothing for raids. And given the enormous temp bonuses, defense means nearly nothing for WD as nearly everyone can beat nearly everyone with Temp 85% Alliance Attack.
Flat out - if Gree employees told you this is not a recent change, then those employees have no idea whatsoever what they are talking about. Guaranteed. I've done 47,000 raids over 16 months! How many raids has the person who told you this wrong information have? Any? Why do customers need 12 pages to tell this to gree over and over and over again? I'm in a couple factions. Every single person who played this game for just a few months know this is definitely a recent change 2-3 weeks ago and NOT the original design.
Well, that kind of explains it....Quote:
Originally Posted by Tadaaah
RIP Bob Ross.
The expiration date for this game expired so long ago, its like eating a moldy twinkie these days.
Next comes next
Bump this.
GREE, any updates would be great!
It's alright for me, nuked my base before so have a terrible IPH while I can raid others for 600M haha. Although it is annoying for them, so GREE really need to check what is going on
But raiding SUP tappers as a free to play player is so much fun! :)
Fully agreed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Huj
Gree given us Free stamina is now in GOOD USE.. Enjoy the funs.
:o
One man's meat is another man's poisen...Quote:
Originally Posted by droffatsto50
It's so annoying having more than a billion attack, a disproportional defense of 600M and then getting raided by players with less than a half attack Att to my def. (oh no, as I learned my def is not my def of I get raided, it's just (ehm how to name it?))
Still waiting for an answer how to protect the base these days when you get millions for even beginner ltes but rail guns with 75def
They might have changed it to raw stats, instead of overall stats. That would explain it, they might not know it themselfs. Lol
You're 110% correct, Splat! - Thanks for putting it so clear !!Quote:
Originally Posted by Splat!
GREE owes an explanation and fast - it completely undermines the fabric of the game and is against any logic.
Within the faction I'm in (top 50), most of the players are losing interest because of this - two already dropped the game and I'm afraid more will follow soon... including myself.
LOL... just raided someone with 1.5bn defence with my 500m attack LLP...
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so 1.5BN was his defence? or what was that his building defence?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozymandias
oh yeah right
you dont know that
So let's recap. A major game flaw was reported here by a great many as having been made by Gree 2-3 weeks ago. Some unknown Gree employee gave unquestionably wrong information to Tadaaah, which he believed to be true, despite everyone here saying otherwise. Every single one of us gave the same story, and yet none of us were believed.
Gree's response have gone viral on all the MW chat rooms, with unanimous and harsh feedback, that remains utterly ignored in this thread, and now there is no response at all from Gree. Did I miss anything? Oh yeah, my DL and 2 officers quit over this latest fiasco. There is a sudden flood of accts for sale, clearly built with the Gree Gold Program, but no more, who have seen their final straw, and yet still all MW customers remain ignored. Miss anything?
What do you bet the silence is because Gree mods are off happily collecting info to share with us on this BRAND NEW game change, and thinking that telling us a couple million or less in building defense should somehow be a Good game balance against the Billion Plus Attack stats that nearly all of us now have? Who bets that mods will be oblivious that 500,000 building defense is useless given current Attack stats and LTQ prizes?
How dumb is the building defense NEW design given frequent stat inflations that even if set correctly when bldng purchased, would soon cease to have any protective value. There is a good reason bldng defense was Never, Never, Never part of the original game design, and only changed 2-3 weeks ago!
GREE, Its CRAZY you knowingly have this huge issue that's effecting your paying customers and you're not doing anything about it with zero communication regarding a fix.
I'm hearing lots of people quiting over this. Because without our defennse working as it has prior to this recent change there's no point to continue. Specially when we've spent thousands trying to build up our defennse like myself. I know I'll be quiting since playing from the beginning if you don't fix this ASAP.
I recommend getting on here right away, being honest saying you'll have it fixed or changed back right away. Saving those customers that are close to finally quiting.
PS. With the way our defennse now works only helping toward attacks... I personally careless if I logon and see someone successfully attacked me 10+ times. So no point for me to spend anymore trying to build defennse if I continue to play. Majority of my $ buildings and good portion of my defennse buildings are level 10 so I can't gain anything there or pay more money to help with these people raiding me with less then half my stats. Which is REALLY frustrating to see.
Bump to top. Well put!Quote:
Originally Posted by Splat!
Thanks GREEdy for not listening to us and helping me not to buy any of your fake economy this weekend for war. Gold embargo now until you sort yourself out.
Using up my last bits of gold and the beauty is that I got cash back. You guys should do the same.
For the first time ever, I didn't even bother getting to 150 boss kills. Why should it matter anyway?
tadaah is correct this is how the game was designed originally. Then player's reached max level and max stats for game design and PUN was getting to where they couldn't have a advantage over other player's. So GREE increased the levels and made your overall defense stats included in raid attacks due to there was not a defense building strong enough for stat inflation. Now they removed that line of code and everyone is raiding and leveling at a massive rate for one reason of two reasons one to accommodate SUP players they need better targets for war so they turn all player's into raiding machine's. And or next cycle I am sure there will be some major out of pocket expense to get new defense building bonuses or buildings.