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Originally Posted by Lars

Now with the rival list being set up in a way anybody can rob anybody why bother with stats at all? Gree could just change the robbing algorithm to automatic success. It is pretty much what they have done now (without making it that obvious) and this shows how much sense it makes to build up stats now.

The new defense buildings will be better? Who cares if their stat effect will be factored into the rival list matching.

Why should I grow my stats now? It will only get me pitted against stronger rivals. Why should I grow my iph now -- to make me a better target?

What should I spend ingame money on from robberies and economy? Increasing my economy isn't much fun anymore. I can't buy any decent weapons for it and if I could (like in a recent LTQ) the stat increase doesn't help anymore -- it just gains you different rivals. I can finish the LTB quests which improves my economy (see above) and gains me some equipment for better stats (ha ha, see above). WTF? Where is the challenge? Why should I work on anything in this game? I would be better off playing cow clicker.

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CJ, read this. If you still don't get it, read it again. And again.

Mmmmm....stop the smokescreen.....and gfy

My rivals list no longer changes. It's the same people shuffled when I hit refresh. Where is the fun in that?

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Originally Posted by Nighteg

CJ, read this. If you still don't get it, read it again. And again.

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It was the same outrage from longtime players the last time they changed the rivels list so don't think Gree cares about our opinion.

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Originally Posted by Nighteg

CJ, read this. If you still don't get it, read it again. And again.

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It doesn't necessarily have to be like that. If some of the suggestions I made below were taken up, the rivals list changes could be an improvement. The important thing would be to not include the value of defence buildings in the normal stats profile, so they would only come into play when someone tries to rob you. Repeated failures woud give an incentive to improve attack stats, while the high iph players would have the same incentive to improve defence stats and defence buildings.

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Originally Posted by sister morphine

I'm very pleased to learn that Defence Buildings are being reassessed. Merely restoring the stated value seen when you tap on one isn't enough. They should be multiplied by a minimal x100 (or even x1000) to take the rampant inflation into account. It also occurred to me that this is an opportunity to make skill points allocated to attack and defence meaningful. If the total value of Defence Buildings were to be multiplied by the number of D skill points a player has, that would give them some value, and players who had put quite a few points into that and has been regretting it ever since might be pleased at the boost they would get against robbery attempts. Attack skill points could be used by robbers to diminish the boosted defence building stat in a similar way. Defence building stats would not be displayed on the profile another player sees, but would on the player's own. They would have no effect on attacks, as opposed to robs.

As making defence buildings relevant again would mean players wanting to build and boost them, we should be allowed concurrent building and upgrading of one money and one defence building.

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Originally Posted by sister morphine

It doesn't necessarily have to be like that. If some of the suggestions I made below were taken up, the rivals list changes could be an improvement. The important thing would be to not include the value of defence buildings in the normal stats profile, so they would only come into play when someone tries to rob you. Repeated failures woud give an incentive to improve attack stats, while the high iph players would have the same incentive to improve defence stats and defence buildings.

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Yes, that may be a (partial) solution. Unfortunately, believing in that solution would require me to put faith in Gree managing a delicate balance between attack and defense stats and having defense buildings stats compatible with stats inflation. Given my past experiences with changes and the tendency of attack growing over defense I am lacking that faith.

On a second thought I am not really convinced your solution would work for the incentive of improving your attack (or to improve your defense by equipment), as any of those stat increase would only give you stronger rivals. IMO pairing by stats does not make sense when you want to have a competition over stats.

So why would I buy NEW defense buildings??? With the new rivals list, it will make NO DIFFERENCE! With my stronger D, I will simply get stronger attackers. I don't get it.

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Originally Posted by Lars

On a second thought I am not really convinced your solution would work for the incentive of improving your attack (or to improve your defense by equipment), as any of those stat increase would only give you stronger rivals. IMO pairing by stats does not make sense when you want to have a competition over stats.

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PS: A third thought on sister morphine's suggestion. :-) To maximize your defense effective when rivals are selected based on mafia A/D and independent on boosts from defense buildings one should actually keep ones mafia stats low! Best would be to drop all mafia members and to avoid gaining new top weapons to get the best out of your defense buildings. A totally new approach to camping.

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Originally Posted by Curtisjon

So why would I buy NEW defense buildings??? With the new rivals list, it will make NO DIFFERENCE! With my stronger D, I will simply get stronger attackers. I don't get it.

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You are right, with the current rival list it would not make any sense (AFAIK -- at the moment def building stats are too low to say anything about their effects anyway). However, sister morphine proposed that the def buildings stats should not be included in the stat matching. It's an interesting suggestion. I think that would help on the def buildings side but not change much about the core problem (see above).

On second thought I like what someone else said boost them by 1000x. It only makes sense. ..I mean a missle turret is worth 42 def and you can only build 50. 42x1000=42000. X50 only 210k def. That doesn't seem like a whole considering the 100days and $25million it takes to build them. And then food for thought figure out what inflation is close to in this game and index them to that. ... say every month their stats go up by 10% Or something and tthat is constant and known. Then you never have to mess with them or hear people complain again. Well once complaints die down :)

So how are we supposed to upgrade those improved defense buildings if there is always a new LTB going on? What about upgrading one money and one defense building at the same time? Btw, I don't like the new rivals list neither! No need to increase stats anymore.

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Originally Posted by -C-

So how are we supposed to upgrade those improved defense buildings if there is always a new LTB going on? What about upgrading one money and one defense building at the same time? Btw, I don't like the new rivals list neither! No need to increase stats anymore.

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Yup, being able to build and upgrade one money and one defence building simultaneously was part of my suggestion. I'm in complete agreement it's the only way forward with LTBs being omnipresent.

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Originally Posted by cdaniel28

On second thought I like what someone else said boost them by 1000x. It only makes sense. ..I mean a missle turret is worth 42 def and you can only build 50. 42x1000=42000. X50 only 210k def. That doesn't seem like a whole considering the 100days and $25million it takes to build them. And then food for thought figure out what inflation is close to in this game and index them to that. ... say every month their stats go up by 10% Or something and tthat is constant and known. Then you never have to mess with them or hear people complain again. Well once complaints die down :)

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Not nearly enough at my level. 212k would be about 2% of my A/D right now and I do not even consider myself very strong where I am.

Of course this might be different for upgraded def buildings. Still, any stat will be quickly be obsolete by stat inflation. The only solution I see is to give def buildings a relative def multiplier -- perhaps adding just in some tenths of a percent per building level.

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Originally Posted by sister morphine

Yup, being able to build and upgrade one money and one defence building simultaneously was part of my suggestion. I'm in complete agreement it's the only way forward with LTBs being omnipresent.

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Very good suggestion, I fully support that!

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Originally Posted by Lars

Yes, that may be a (partial) solution. Unfortunately, believing in that solution would require me to put faith in Gree managing a delicate balance between attack and defense stats and having defense buildings stats compatible with stats inflation. Given my past experiences with changes and the tendency of attack growing over defense I am lacking that faith.

On a second thought I am not really convinced your solution would work for the incentive of improving your attack (or to improve your defense by equipment), as any of those stat increase would only give you stronger rivals. IMO pairing by stats does not make sense when you want to have a competition over stats.

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Oh yes, I agree it's only a starting point for a discussion on the whole robbery aspect of the game. As things stand, the defending player has their mafia strength cut in half when someone tries to rob them. That might have worked up to a point in the old days, but is completely inappropriate now when, as you say, the offence has been so favoured by Gree over defence. Any cut should be reduced heavily, or maybe the D skill stat should come into play here too.

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Originally Posted by Lars

Not nearly enough at my level. 212k would be about 2% of my A/D right now and I do not even consider myself very strong where I am.

Of course this might be different for upgraded def buildings. Still, any stat will be quickly be obsolete by stat inflation. The only solution I see is to give def buildings a relative def multiplier -- perhaps adding just in some tenths of a percent per building level.

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Well of course that's only level 1. Running them up will improve things. Bringing in D skill as a multiplier would also help (for those players who have it). I have 103 pts allocated like that on my HLP. At the moment those are totally wasted, but used to multiply that 212k gives a building defence of 21.8 million. A player with points "invested" in A skill would reduce that down, and even without it wouldn't stop the real monsters in the game from robbing me blind

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Originally Posted by My2cents

I'm somewhat in agreement with collecting on time as I do most of the time. I really sleep no more than six hours so even NCs are good for me. With that said, I don't want to attack others for the chance that I collect 5 minutes late or go to Disneyland for the day, having a life in general and they have an easy link. I don't see much of iph going into the algorithm cause I'm about three times greater in that than my rivals.

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Really tho... who cares if you get robbed for the whole stash every now and again? Surely it is worth it if you go to Disneyland or sleep in...

I have been robbed few hours ago by a lvl 159 (i'm 230) with 60k IPH. 0.3% of mine. Great job gree!

Under the new system improving my defensive stats actually hurts me.

If stats determine the quality of your rival list, and then defensive stats are cut in half, then improving mydefense causes me to face stronger rivals who I'm less able to defend against.

I'm also a low level, high stat player so I'm rarely a target in wars.

The net / net is that with these changes it actually hurts me to improve my defensive stats. Any items with high defense stats or defensive modifiers are now undesirable for me. Don't want them.

How silly is that.

I would like clarification. Are you actually improving existing buildings or are you going g to release new buildings entirely?

And if it is new buildings, have you thought about the time and money people may have put into the current defense buildings?

It appears att/def are the most important stats in these match ups now. I am regularily getting tagged by people with twice the mob I have and 1/6th the income.

I really don't have much incentive to do anything, at this point. Growing stats is meaningless, growing income makes no sense, and spending real money makes no sense. I just spent a little gold to complete the hockey rink, now those stats have zero meaning. Why would I ever do that again?

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Originally Posted by Assault and Flattery

Hey guys,

Here are some new things coming out:

New rival list logic!

The rival list will be populated based primarily on relative strength, but also takes level,IPH,mafia size, and a few other factors into account.


Defense buildings will be improved!

Remember those things? We will soon be scaling them better to match the rise in relative stats that has happened over the past year.


New Scratcher prizes!

We're working on rolling out some new fancy items to scratch at!


Also, if you weren't already in the know, we released expansion levels 31-40 with goals last week. That means your hood can be even bigger!




Please note: Not all of these (with the exception of the expansions) are out yet, but they are all confirmed and will be added to the game!

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By the way, everytime I tap on "Rivals Profile" the game freezes for 20 seconds, and when I close the rivals profile it freezes for 40 seconds. Also when I log on and someone robbed me I can't who did it as its not shown in my news feed, so I cannot retaliate. I'm on android

It looks like the changes brought errors, fix it please. I didn't know where to post this.

No matter how many D buildings I put in my hood it will never be enough... I already had a taste of this new list. They must have been trying it out...
I had guys of all different lvl's on my rival list but they all had the same stats as me... Simply horrible..hink the rival list will suck for me.. I will have a crap load of guys that can get at me now... With my IPH at 30mil there will be no one around that is as high as me. So why would I attack back an put my name on there news an give them an open door to my hood.. It bull crap . I worked my hood for years an all these changes make it worthless..

Almost 100 mil in robberies in half a day....loving the list.....

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Originally Posted by AdamVD

Almost 100 mil in robberies in half a day....loving the list.....

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same here loving it.. to other guy above. defense buildings wont work, the best defense is cheap alarm clock and collect on time

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Originally Posted by Lars

Now with the rival list being set up in a way anybody can rob anybody why bother with stats at all? Gree could just change the robbing algorithm to automatic success. It is pretty much what they have done now (without making it that obvious) and this shows how much sense it makes to build up stats now.

The new defense buildings will be better? Who cares if their stat effect will be factored into the rival list matching.

Why should I grow my stats now? It will only get me pitted against stronger rivals. Why should I grow my iph now -- to make me a better target?

What should I spend ingame money on from robberies and economy? Increasing my economy isn't much fun anymore. I can't buy any decent weapons for it and if I could (like in a recent LTQ) the stat increase doesn't help anymore -- it just gains you different rivals. I can finish the LTB quests which improves my economy (see above) and gains me some equipment for better stats (ha ha, see above). WTF? Where is the challenge? Why should I work on anything in this game? I would be better off playing cow clicker.

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If you want to play sim city, drop your mafia to 99 and do it. If you want to attack/rob/battle, work on your stats.

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Originally Posted by Max Power

It appears att/def are the most important stats in these match ups now. I am regularily getting tagged by people with twice the mob I have and 1/6th the income.

I really don't have much incentive to do anything, at this point. Growing stats is meaningless, growing income makes no sense, and spending real money makes no sense. I just spent a little gold to complete the hockey rink, now those stats have zero meaning. Why would I ever do that again?

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So... you think spending real money on virtual stats and virtual buildings to make virtual money is crazy?

YOU are the one who is CRAZY!

Long time reader first time poster.

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Originally Posted by Marine007

If you guys are changing the rivals list, are you taking away harcore hitman and thug life goals?

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I would like to know the answer to this as well.

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Originally Posted by fuzzy

Why not make Uzi drop during robberies and attacks ?

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I thought they used to a long time ago. I think they should.

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Originally Posted by Travers

For the weaker low IPH players that is fine if they can see us higher stat IPH players, but please remove people with extremely lower stats and IPH out of our viewing, makes it much harder to find a good target without spending hours searching

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This has been my biggest complaint for weeks. The attack/defense and IPH players I have been getting were ridiculous.

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Originally Posted by -C-

So how are we supposed to upgrade those improved defense buildings if there is always a new LTB going on? What about upgrading one money and one defense building at the same time? Btw, I don't like the new rivals list neither! No need to increase stats anymore.

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I to think you should be able to upgrade a money building and a defense building at the same time. You should also be able to build one money building and one upgrade building at one time. Does anyone know if the build 175 buildings is the last one of those or does it keep going?

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Originally Posted by montecore

If you want to play sim city, drop your mafia to 99 and do it. If you want to attack/rob/battle, work on your stats.

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Fail. That's the point you did not get (apparently): Right now there is no need to work on stats anymore. The new rival list always shows only people of your strength no matter what your stats are. If you increase your stats by a factor of 10 you gain exactly nothing compared to your rivals. If you don't increase your stats you lose nothing. Even if you drop you drop all of your mafia nothing changes. Great for a game of competition!

I downloaded a game that penalizes me for playing, while other games reward level ups. Now the incentive to grow my stats is pointless, since I will always be matched up against similar stats, except in battles. My IPH is 1.5 million and robbing and being robbed is part of the game for me. I don't mind a game changing and growing as it is necessary to keep it fresh, but I am just not sure where I will find the fun in a product I have invested in. I am terrified of the XP they hand out as a prize, I can never get an edge over an opponent and IP points seem to be on the decline since I crossed Level 150.

Real World Mafia = build an empire and become a target for every low level thug with nothing to lose or stay a low level thug. I am a boss baby, let em come and get it.
That is what I expected when I downloaded the game.

Maybe others should have downloaded "Unicorns and Utopia" a game built on hugs and kisses.

Yeah they just took the fun out of the game, robbing will never be the same.....

Is Gree going to do something about all the lvl 1 players with 30mil attack now. How can you get 150 combat masks and 113 carnival crowd mowers?

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Originally Posted by montecore

If you want to play sim city, drop your mafia to 99 and do it. If you want to attack/rob/battle, work on your stats.

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Doesn't work. The new rival list eliminates mob count as a factor.

There were two reasons to improve your stats in the game. 1) to beat enemy syndicate members during war. 2) to deter and defend your hood and cash against weaker players on your level. Gree has decided to eliminate #2. Many people spent lots of hours planning their next upgrade and building their IPH in a game where it was a main point of the game. Although I agree Robbing people is also a part of the game, this new rivals list negates the work many players have put into growing their IPH, and Attack/Defense stats to keep their IPH.
I spent about an hour earlier today searching through my rivals list and although I found plenty of people with similar stats to me, I found zero with a higher IPH. Robbing will not be a part of my game now. Why would I give rivals with similar stats a revenge link to my hood and cash. Thanks on another bad idea GREE.

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Originally Posted by Steel City MOB

Yeah they just took the fun out of the game, robbing will never be the same.....

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How can you say they took the fun out of robbing? I used to never be able to find hoods worth robbing and got seriously bored of that aspect. Now I am able to rob, yeah I can get robbed more, but the activity has been revived, imo. Robbing is part of the game. People complaining about people being able to rob them now is ludicrous. This game is about crime. And if you don't like being robbed, start building defense buildings because they have defense against robbery, and Gree has announced they are going to improve them ( I wish they would confirm that it is improve or if it will be new buildings) and expand your massive iph hoods in preparation to the soon to be update. Obviously they released expansions first for all of you who have abandoned defense buildings and focused solely on iph. At least they are giving you more room and a head start. So go get to building, wipe the tears off your face, and protect your hoods!

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Originally Posted by xprimntlxp

How can you say they took the fun out of robbing? I used to never be able to find hoods worth robbing and got seriously bored of that aspect. Now I am able to rob, yeah I can get robbed more, but the activity has been revived, imo. Robbing is part of the game. People complaining about people being able to rob them now is ludicrous. This game is about crime. And if you don't like being robbed, start building defense buildings because they have defense against robbery, and Gree has announced they are going to improve them ( I wish they would confirm that it is improve or if it will be new buildings) and expand your massive iph hoods in preparation to the soon to be update. Obviously they released expansions first for all of you who have abandoned defense buildings and focused solely on iph. At least they are giving you more room and a head start. So go get to building, wipe the tears off your face, and protect your hoods!

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It is WAY better for me... Actually people worth robbing on my rivals list.

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Originally Posted by xprimntlxp

How can you say they took the fun out of robbing? I used to never be able to find hoods worth robbing and got seriously bored of that aspect. Now I am able to rob, yeah I can get robbed more, but the activity has been revived, imo. Robbing is part of the game. People complaining about people being able to rob them now is ludicrous. This game is about crime. And if you don't like being robbed, start building defense buildings because they have defense against robbery, and Gree has announced they are going to improve them ( I wish they would confirm that it is improve or if it will be new buildings) and expand your massive iph hoods in preparation to the soon to be update. Obviously they released expansions first for all of you who have abandoned defense buildings and focused solely on iph. At least they are giving you more room and a head start. So go get to building, wipe the tears off your face, and protect your hoods!

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Activity has been revived? My L250 has not been attacked or robbed since the update, in fact I even started no-banking again....

Protect your hood? If you increase your stats, you will be matched against stronger rivals...you can't protect your hood.

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Originally Posted by murf

Activity has been revived? My L250 has not been attacked or robbed since the update, in fact I even started no-banking again....

Protect your hood? If you increase your stats, you will be matched against stronger rivals...you can't protect your hood.

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You will be able to. Defense buildings are designed to protect your hood from robberies. They are going to be improved or renewed somehow. And grats you haven't been robbed. But has your robbing ability improved? I know mine has...

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Originally Posted by xprimntlxp

You will be able to. Defense buildings are designed to protect your hood from robberies. They are going to be improved or renewed somehow. And grats you haven't been robbed. But has your robbing ability improved? I know mine has...

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Nobody is doing anything at my level...L250, $24m/iph if I left things uncollected for 15 mins it was usually robbed, now nothing. NCs survived overnight as did my NIS's....I've stopped attacking and robbing as well, I have one of the higher IPH, so I don't leave links for people with half my IPH.

Defense buildings will add to your stats which will bump you up against stronger rivals under the new Rivals List....so how will that protect my hood from robberies?

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Originally Posted by murf

Nobody is doing anything at my level...L250, $24m/iph if I left things uncollected for 15 mins it was usually robbed, now nothing. NCs survived overnight as did my NIS's....I've stopped attacking and robbing as well, I have one of the higher IPH, so I don't leave links for people with half my IPH.

Defense buildings will add to your stats which will bump you up against stronger rivals under the new Rivals List....so how will that protect my hood from robberies?

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It is, I believe, a current hidden stat, which will be updated to reflect the inflation. I apparently started this game at the beginning of this Inflation period so I don't know what I'm talking about so don't build defense buildings and don't do anything right now. I saw a pic during battle where it said something about defense buildings protecting your hood from rivalries. But just ignore my comment and don't do anything until you may be behind, or see it as insight and start using meaningless cash and start building defense for your meaningless hood which will never be profitable irl. Keep on spending your time doing virtual things that don't effect the real world economy. And batch about your virtual income being stolen. What truly is stolen is your time and money. So s*** or get off the pot. And build defense buildingw, tyvm