Almost all top 100? Wow. Thats an achievement right there, haha!
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Almost all top 100? Wow. Thats an achievement right there, haha!
Cute image. How long did you work on that? I'm glad you spend so much time on your responses to me. It shows you continue to be bothered so much that you have to respond.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sol Invictus
Yes guilds get rewards AFTER war. I can bold, italicize, and underline for more emphasis. That is a true story. I'll say it again and agree with you. Guilds get rewards after the war. People still need to place in wars to receive their rewards. Tell me something I don't know.
But prior to your new signature, you said you weren't going to spend gems until the rewards are better. They release what the rewards are BEFORE war starts. Otherwise, how will you know what you are fighting for, and what you are spending gems on? Do you understand what that means? Do you even understand what you were saying yourself? Are you seriously willing to fight in a war where the rewards are unknown? Are you expecting them to reward you based purely on gems spent? And I'm the one grasping at straws? You can't understand the logic of what you said yourself? I'm trying not to call people names, but you sound like an idiot.
You want Gree to pony up better rewards before you will decide to spend. There is no other way around this. You want to know the raise is there before you do the work. Stop playing the idiot card. Please, someone else tell me how my logic is wrong and Sol's is correct.
Please, anyone?
No point in starting "this"?Quote:
Originally Posted by Cali-Boy916
We are trying first for peacefull contact with Gree. Mikie is still trying, and leaving messages and being a pest and pushing that way. Rome was not built in a day.
No one has agreed to a gem boycott btw, no matter how much people here act like that is the plan of action, it never was and wouldn't be supported as a way to get more content. Those on this foroum who keep posting that there will never be a gem boycott therefore this is all a waste of time...either help or quit complaining.
DK believes hurting gree will only hurt the game. ..but we do want more content, but hope there is a peacefull way.
Reaching out to Gree by phone for instance. Wise One and Elita here on the forum must be aware of the posts and could take back our message to Gree.
So many defeatists and negative people post on this forum.
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Originally Posted by busteroaf
lolololQuote:
Originally Posted by busteroaf
I know how to use Photoshop. Google search for images took one minute. Composition took another five. Don't flatter yourself.
Your own analogy is falling apart the more you talk about it. Before, it was "we want to be paid before we do the work" but now "you wouldn't fight without knowing the rewards, would you?"
Come on, bro! Just give it up! This is too easy.
If you have so much time to spend in forums of a game you more-or-less stopped playing and your only purpose right now is to naysay about an issue you don't support...may I suggest a hobby? Do you want me to send you a jigsaw puzzle of one of Norman Rockwell's famous magazine cover illustrations?
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Originally Posted by PhoenixZee
Well, this is the mystery. You've got banners, and people posting on the forums saying they support the movement. Someone is trying to contact Gree peacefully. And?...Quote:
Originally Posted by firefly333
Since not everyone can be in the chat room... what else is there? Is there any success? Is it just one person so far? Is it multiple people? Calling multiple times? Sending multiple of the same message through tickets and email? We don't know. All we've heard is forums, and one person trying to contact Gree. Do you see where people would question the movement? Maybe updates would slow the negative people.
Mock my responses yet you still can't actually RESPOND to my questions. You sound just like Mark. Talking in circles and never being able to back up your own talk.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sol Invictus
And I don't need to reference a job situation compared to the war reward situation anymore. I've proven my point. You can't back up your "better analogy" so you resort to lame, incorrect images that have nothing to do with my original point.
"Don't need" = "can't", because it failed.Quote:
Originally Posted by busteroaf
Thanks for conceding defeat.
Night.
Still have yet to backup your own posts with a legit response = coward.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sol Invictus
And if you can show how "asking for a raise before doing the work" is not the same as "wanting better rewards before spending gems on wars"... then I will concede. See if you can understand your own statements for once.
How about this one? This look good to you? I figured you'd like this one...mostly because of the half-exposed backside on the boy.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1000-SATURDA...-/291055150857
http://www.letshavefunwithenglish.co...e_the_shot.jpg
Wanna PM me your address so I can send it out to you ASAP?
It's 1,000 pieces, so I figure it'll take you at least two weeks.
Still ducking.
Keep posting, and I'll continue to show you how week your 11+ movement is.
Oh, and keep it up and you'll be known as Mark Jr. The guy that just posts useless nonsense talking in circles and makes his "movement" regret he was ever affiliated with it. Good job MJ.
Post a solid argument back, that is all. You can't do it, can you?
Just because someone only spends $100 in a 3-day war and not $300, it does not follow that the reward for doing so should be relatively useless.
Common sense dictates that rewards should be commensurate with placement. After #10, rewards, for all practical purposes, drop to the floor in terms of value.
Saying that guilds could place in the top X without spending a dime is irrelevant, as effort and coordination have their own inherent value in a team competition.
Saying someone who spends $X or scores X should just find a better guild if they want better rewards is not only a non sequitur, but also impractical since there is only a finite number of players capable of taking the top ten prize and also because of the entrenched advantage consistent top ten guilds have over everyone else.
Me, with my free EB+s or, at best, recently fuseable Epics, will not be able to score as many points on you, with your Epics from the last three wars perhaps even if I outspend you.
Here is an analogy for you, if you're familiar with American football.
#1 is like Super Bowl champions.
#2-10 are like Super Bowl losers. They didn't take home the big prize, but they were still champions of their conference.
#11-100 are like teams who lost the conference title game, but they were still champions of their division.
Rewards should be commensurate with performance regardless of whether or not you personally believe that #11+ didn't spend enough. It's a pretty simple concept that enjoys mass appeal and adoption across a multitude of competitive events.
I support this and think Gree would benefit because more would buy gems to place in top say 50 or 100 if the rewards were worth competing for.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sol Invictus
People who sent lengthy comments are bashing ideas. If you have an idea speak up. Saying you've seen it happen in other app games gives you experience. You should have more ideas then the rest of us yet I see bashing or as firefly said negative feedback.
As far as 11+ rewards go if your putting in the GAME TIME 36 hours of checking knights and dragons during gw you shoukd get something better then an outdated plus version chest. Even if its like a beast key special chest for higher chance for epics.
I still believe gree should make you pay a 10 dollar fee to enter gw with UNLIMITED ENERGY. Would let everyone have a shot at top ten and no more backing down in fights. As far as stat bonuses you pay you get the bonus for eb help on element bonus.
Ive suggested such things to gree through email only to get a message saying ty for your feedback. Thats was over 5 months ago.
So, is GUILD War an individual effort or a GUILD effort? Unfortunately, when you participate in GUILD war... you are playing a team sport. If you don't want to admit that if you and the 9 others who spend money in war aren't being held back by the other 30 that don't, aka the rest of your TEAM, that is your problem. You also assume that the top 10 guilds are constantly full with no way to get into them. There is always flux between members. Guilds are always dropping and adding more people. The Top 10 is not set in stone. Have you ever looked at guild pages post war? Wonder why they drop down in members? People coming and going. Many stepping in for war, and nothing else. The impracticality of having finite space is again, a you problem. You likely could get into a top 10 guild if you wanted. You just don't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sol Invictus
As we've seen MANY times over, people who have never been in the top 10, still manage to find a way in. And with the ability to pre-arrange matches, get strip battles, and the ability to get 2 mil points in a single matchup, it doesn't matter what armor you have. Only gemming capability. Someone with recent epics may have an advantage in a blind, free energy only battle, but if you have the gems and can outspend anyone, playing smart, you can and should outscore the next guy. Me. Whoever.
If you want guild rewards to be commensurate with performance... this is again where the GUILD needs to step up. If you are okay with carrying a guild, so be it. What would you like for it? A courtesy epic? How about a Moontide. Has it been surpassed by EB's yet? What about a Blazebourne? A new fancy ~EB legendary? Does your guild then deserve an epic since they got carried? Are they getting less of a reward because you did more? The only way this will happen is if they make a reward system similar to EB and Arena rewards where as you reach a certain point tier, your individual prizes go up. Would that make it fair? This way, individual effort IS rewarded. Or do you still want your guild as a whole to benefit from a few people doing work?
Also, if you really want to compare the NFL Playoffs and the Superbowl to Guild War... a more accurate comparison is as follows:
#1 = Superbowl Champ
#2-and down Everyone else.
No one gives a rip about who lost, except for the sportscasters and immediate team fans because it gives them something to talk about for the next few months before the season starts again. Yeah, there were still divisional champs, conference champs etc. But no one interviews them to say "you just won the NFC North... what are you doing now?" "Uh... getting ready for the playoffs, Jim." Also, what extra prizes do conference champs get? Are the bonuses similar to winning the Superbowl? I think not. Do you follow?
Or, if you do a simple Google search: The Seahawks players got an extra 96k for their SB win. The Broncos got 46k for their loss. Conference champs: 20k. So from your example, #1 getting 96k, your 11-100 teams should all get rewards that are around 20% of what #1 gets. What is 20% of a new epic? And are these teams all putting in 20% of the revenue that the top teams are? Top 11-15 maybe. Top 25? Doubtful. Top 100? VERY unlikely. This is why they don't give out great prizes for guilds all the way down to 100.
I understand your concerns witht his movement but would it hurt to be a little less skeptical and join the line group? By the way you are asking stuff we didnt do yet and might be worth looking at so thanks ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by busteroaf
Too long have we had to police this game ourselves with very little reward, gree won't punish the cheaters and doesn't reward long term players
http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/.../315/iTAmc.GIFQuote:
Originally Posted by busteroaf
I think the 11+ mouvement is great but its getting confusing to follow it here with all the arguing. If the mouvement could have a web page with a simple hyperlink, i could add it to my guild description and get more people to join in because its a really small part of the KnD players who read this forum.
My guild is on iOS and its called Acolytes of Darigaaz.
Its time for some changes in this game and the only way were gonna have it is if everyone contribute.
http://knights-and-dragons.wikia.com...nt?redirect=no
Only way it works is if EVERY gree game work together. It's a hopeless pointless battle.Quote:
Originally Posted by AoD Koozik
Practical people understand. ..you choose to spend that money...gree lives off our addiction. Just stop spending and you don't have to worry about voicing anything..lol
Why do we have so many pessimists on this forum??
If you would like to be added to the line chat search: Benjaminqmob
Send me a message what guild you are from and mention 11+ I get 3465 random PMs a day so I don't want to just ignore someone that wants to help
Lol, this is hilarious.
Nobody disagrees that the reward structure is lame and should be updated. I'm not sure 50th place guilds should get a decent reward, but the exact details aren't relevant.
The movement itself is the problem. Instead of using the power in their hands (money), they make excuses about how it's impossible not to spend, then whine and rate the game a 1.
Let me give you a real life example of what your movement looks like.
- You are 425 pounds and want to lose weight.
- You go to MacDonald's and order yourself 3 super-sized meals.
- You complain to head office that there are too many calories in the meal and your weight loss program is being obstructed.
- You fill out the satisfaction survey and mail it in with the lowest ratings possible. You stand outside the doors of Macdonalds telling all the patrons that the food is unhealthy and not to eat in there, while holding a Big Mac and super-sized fries in your hand.
- You continue to demand change, but eat every meal there.
- Your peers tell you to stop eating there, but you tell them it's impossible (due to unknown reasons).
- You bring all your friends there and eat there together. You and your friends increase their profitability by 10% in the following quarter, but still stand outside the doors telling everyone not to eat there (Big Mac still in hand).
- When someone tries to explain to you that you have the power to stop this madness, you disregard it as "hate" and refuse to believe there is any other way to resolve the issue. Your way is the only way and it makes perfect sense (Big Mac still in hand).
And he hits the nail on the head.Quote:
Originally Posted by infliction
Common sense is not very common at all on these forums. Read what the guy above wrote. You can't expect them to change if spending doesn't change...it's idiotic. But addiction clouds the mind...let me guess you can stop if you want to? But you choose not to? Stop spending and seek help if you want to do something.Quote:
Originally Posted by bosskiller
guess you just keep missing the fact that it's not just rate the game a 1*. It's more than that. But I guess keep trolling and pushing thread to top. I assume that's why you keep responding. You want to see change but are just to lazy to get involved. Probably because you are 425lbs and eat mc donalds every meal.Quote:
Originally Posted by infliction
Did you even read his post before responding with accusations? And you expect people to fight for a cause that you can't defend with logic? Oh ok.Quote:
Originally Posted by 09cobaltss
Yes I read it. That's why I said he wasn't using logic. Neither of you know what is going on because you refuse to join chat or ask to join
And apparently you didn't read my post which stated it is more than just Google play reviews. So keep trolling and pushing to the top
We understand that the single point of leverage that actually exists (money) is not being used. Paying for something that you believe is a 1 star product does not make sense in the real world. It only makes sense in the 11+ movement.Quote:
Originally Posted by 09cobaltss
Keep preaching the 11+ movement with your big mac in hand brother!
and once again you prove you have no clue. There are rules to what can be discussed on a forum. Which is why other means aren't discussedQuote:
Originally Posted by infliction
Ok, if you're quietly suggesting that a gem boycott is taking place in the 11+ movement and you guys are serious about it, then I applaud you. Finally you get it. If that's not what you're suggesting, then keep chomping at the Big Mac.Quote:
Originally Posted by 09cobaltss
And you can keep throwing out insults, but at the end of the day, it's you guys who stated that doing a gem boycott was "impossible". Sorry if I interpreted that as not possible or out of the realm of possibility. Clearly I have no clue what "impossible" means.Quote:
Originally Posted by 09cobaltss
Again i was brainstorming hoping it might spark other ideas that would be fun to integrate into knd.Quote:
Originally Posted by a MenTaL CaSe
Im not saying I have the answer for a guaranteed fix to make knd fun for everyone. Im giving a suggested that would make the gamers more happy. Lets face it knd is 60% gems 30% line chat 20% gaming. I dont know your thoughts but I'd prefer gaming be in the 60% range.
The main goal the 11+ movement is trying to achieve is to make knd fun for nonspenders who are putting in the hours. At the same time we are asking for easy programming changes to make the game more fair.
Most game developers just want there game to be played of course for the money. Knd has a fan base playing there game and they basically are saying to me that I cant be there friend unless I pay them.....
What better rewards? Maybe if they gave you three different epics for top 25 it would be fine. The only thing to change is maybe top twelve or top fifteen rewards. But then people will still complain that they don't get good enough rewards.Quote:
Originally Posted by a MenTaL CaSe
I told you the rewards. I would love an increase chance for epics box. Lets say a ten times chest for epics but you can only get the keys through guild war you cant buy in that chest with gems. Get rid of dark prince chest and make it a gw chest keys only. The higher your rank the more keys you get.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sent
its a simple fix and I'd be happy with a lottery ticket idea for an epic over a plus eb armor or fusion boost
Now there is an idea. I like it. Maybe not 10x but something higher than 3x.Quote:
Originally Posted by a MenTaL CaSe
I already asked you to explain what we're missing. If you are too afraid to post it here for fear of violating some policies...then send me a PM. I fully support the ideals of this "movement", but you couldn't explain what it is we're missing. The McDonald's analogy is spot-on based on existing posted information from those in the know....but maybe it's this large salty fry I've got stuffed in my ogre-sized mouth that's clouding my judgement.Quote:
Originally Posted by 09cobaltss
I did ask to join. I was told no because there is already someone from my guild (generally ranked between T25-T50) and we're allied with Majestic so they claimed wanted room for other guilds. I understand that, and I'm not upset at it.Quote:
Originally Posted by 09cobaltss
But I did ask.
This is actually a fantastic idea. Do you see this Gree?Quote:
Originally Posted by a MenTaL CaSe
Thanks for the support guys. I normally dont do forums but im in majestic ally with miki and im trying to support him. I was there before he was in legion. Ive helped legion become a top 50 guild. 25 when I was there :) and I have talked to most of top ten guilds. So I know a little about the game. Im not some new player to knd. I currently have 4 gw epics non plus.Quote:
Originally Posted by PhoenixZee