i dont know about you, but recently i was attacked, raided by rivals whose attack point is more than double my attack, more defense, more allies, and higher level than me. and no, i did not attack them first, and i have no idea how this works.
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i dont know about you, but recently i was attacked, raided by rivals whose attack point is more than double my attack, more defense, more allies, and higher level than me. and no, i did not attack them first, and i have no idea how this works.
I am still not sure about my strategy or my relative strength in this game.
But a fact is: The new system makes me win more battles!
It's because Gree's changes to the algorithm made you visible to higher level players. Yes you are on their rivals list but they are not on yours (that's how mine works now).Quote:
Originally Posted by hoho
thanks for info ... it is just getting hard, and the sound of it is actually devastating... we started the game at different time and the moment we begin as llp, it is already bully time. tragic.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigD@wg
You are cannon fodder for the gold players. does'nt that feel great! Welcome to my world.Quote:
Originally Posted by hoho
I think it's supposed to match you against rivals with similar attack and defensive stats.
Relative strength is now irrelevant as you are no longer fighting with equal size armies.
Can't believe anyone would approve this change...
well this new system will be the end of MW. Gold players see others and cant be seen back.....today minime got smacked the lights out too. Its about a month old, lvl15 and has 4k A and 6k D, but was smacked by lvl 19 player with 8k stats. minime doesnt even see that far on list, only 14-16 levels, but that lvl 19 sees him and can kick him :( So this one way seeing ppl to attack....."nice" job gree, soon this will be the end of free players and then gold players can back up their bags too (cause not much left to attack) and find some normal game (read: not made by gree). Hope it happens soon.
Dear Gree,
This change is really stupid. My HLP (level 71, okay, its not that high, but its my high one) can now see almost + or - ten levels. I am at 346 allies, and can see people with allies as low as 106.
I have some of the highest stats at my level. How is it fair that I can see some poor dude at level 66 with 106 allies?
If I want to farm people and find cows, I can always drop allies to get to their levels, then work to add them back for the battles. They were always available to me... but I had to work for it. NOW, you've handed them to me on a silver platter, and expanded the number of levels of them at the same time.
I'm sorry... but this is just not a good idea.
Peppers
and the best part for YOU is....they cant see U back!!! Unless U attack and go to their feed ofc. I'm the poor guy on the other side of fence...~100 allies and ppl with 3300 allies and +12 levels attack me. My rival list doesnt go that far. Gree just wants to take out all the thinking of this game...all U have to do is give them all Ur money and they hand out all "weaklings" for ya ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Peppers
If they want to expand the rivals list... How about expanding it UPWARDS only!
I have no problem attacking people at a higher level than me.
I would just like for admin or a mod to come on this thread and state it for what it truly is:
This is our way to try and further force people into buying gold. Lets thinks about this.. Weak players will get attacked and become tired of getting attacked so they must buy gold to become stronger to avoid attacks. Or maybe they will buy vaults of cash because now they can't save enough money to do large upgrades. Hmmm....yea that's a great idea. Lets do it.
Right? :p
Thats the reason. They are gambling on people not thinking this new algorithm through and assuming gold will buy them out of the system.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigD@wg
IT WONT. You will only make things worse. If you get stronger, your rival list adjusts to allow even stronger people to attack you. Gold units are now pointless. Hell, most normal units are pointless now. I think ill have an army of 20 tree snipers, it makes no difference. People need to realize this.
Due to my work schedule, I had 14.5 mil raided from my buildings in one blow yesterday. Today, due to an upgrade throwing my collection times off, I had a level 3 arctic rig hit. I would be ok with that if it were people close to me. One was 40 levels higher than me with 500 allies (282 more than me) and 100k more attack. I'm pretty strong for my allies and level, so I only see people with 200+ more allies. I can't even find anyone near me. When I find someone I can beat, they have nothing even worth raiding. PvP sucks now!
Similar thing just happened to me. Best thing to do now is always stay under vault, donate anything over to your faction. Collect 24/48h buildings at a time when you are always able to log into the game. If it gets raided due to an upgrade, just leave it until the collection time. This stops 90% of lossesQuote:
Originally Posted by Skyser30518
LagBolt, I agree 100%. The issue I have, is my work schedule fluctuates. I also still would like to play this game. Almost all of my upgrades are near the 200 mil mark. I've played smart so far. Unfortunately, it's made me a perfect target. I just donated 30 mil to get me under vault after losing 38 mil in the past day and a half. Basically, what Gree is telling me is to give up. Don't try and grow stronger, don't try and grow IPH, just collect your buildings and donate. I'm at a point where I don't know hat else to do. Don't get me wrong, I live my faction, but I have nothing else keeping me in he game. PvP sucks now, I can't grow my IPH, I can't (or shouldn't) get stronger, where do I go from here. I know too many people(numerous because of the changes), that have sold off their bases or given their id's away as a result of the changes. I spent a good amount of real money to get to where I am. Had I known this would be the result, I would have saved my money.
Can we please get a response from Gree on this?
CJ said they where 'testing' this new algorithm. I think we can safely say that almost no one likes it. It kills pvp for most people and removes the need to spend gold and get better. So.... test failed and change back to the way it was?
Rival list should only be based on your own lvl and ally count. It has nothing to do with your attack/defense!
I would have no problem with the rival list showing people with higher lvl and/or higher ally count. But not lower, and not based on attack/defense!
Agree, but think your last point through. The person you attack would rage that he was attacked by someone outside of his bracket.Quote:
Originally Posted by DunkNL
This really needs to be changed back. I really hope no one has bought gold because of this scam. Gold will not help you get out of this. The algorithm will just give you even stronger people that will still beat you.
This is entirely made up. Have we yet found one person who asked for this?Quote:
Originally Posted by CJ54
What I like is your stupid algorithm was not even uniformly applied. I get hit by guys 10-12 levels higher but I cannot see anyone on my rivals list that is not within 1 of my level. Therefore, I get screwed by not being able to let the crap roll downhill, as was intended.
Switch it back please
Why hasn't anything happened. GREE???!!!
Personally, I like the change. Only complainers are those who were camping and thoughtQuote:
Originally Posted by Cuthbert (B$A)
they were untouchable. Well you aren't now.
Going by that fact that about 95% of people are against this change, does that mean that 95% of people in the game are campers? No, camping if a perfectly legit strategy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Killer_Elite
Gree have screwed everyone over making the game an endless ladder. They have managed to make their own source of income irrelevant to the game. They still cant see this. Maybe pirate money is enough for them for now.
Same here. I was attacked by a player 5 levels higher than me, yet my rival list only displays players at my level or 1 lower.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cuthbert (B$A)
This new system is completely flawed. They need to change it back now.
You do realise that thousands of people play this game
and are not complaining. About 10 folk moaning here doesn't
mean anything. Fight, and fight again and stop
moaning.
You dont know that. I know that I have seen a increase in deserted bases since this has happened. The cause of this is less clear but my best guess is this change (and maybe bad timed w.d. events).Quote:
Originally Posted by Killer_Elite
Very few people support it here, logic tells you that this will play out in the same way for the wider population of the game.
You do realize that thousands of people have no idea this forum even exists right?Quote:
Originally Posted by Killer_Elite
The members of this forum represent a very diverse and accurate sample size of all MW players... From extremely heavy gold players to free players, from aggressive players to passive campers. Our opinions and ideas definitely speaks volumes in the grand scheme of things because we represent a large part of the MW community.
And to go back to your first post, its not just campers who are "complaining". Lots of players see a fundamental flaw in this new system.
You should probably get your facts straight before you decide to post, so as not to say something stupid or inaccurate.
Most people will not have seen any difference and will carry on doing missions, raids and PvP attacks.Quote:
Originally Posted by LagBolt
A few will leave, but at level.200.and above, it is.same old story of.non stop fighting.
Upgrade and join us.
No thanks, I'll keep camping. I think people have seen a difference. Its hard to ignore that a fundamental mechanic of the game has changed. Gold is now pointless except for people in top 3 factions.
At lvl 200 you might not notice any change yet, but when everyone in the lower levels leaves, no one will move up the ranks to your level and you will be left with few people to attack. Gree will lose a lot of players through this change
I'm not a camper, although I made extra camping account a month ago. My main account is LESS than 3 months old, have 4,3k battle wins and 22k raid wins (and 2,5 months ago I had only 5 stamina, now over 100). So am I classified as camper and cant complain or I can complain?Quote:
Originally Posted by Killer_Elite
Do U know why ppl make camping accounts? Its because game is out of balance....BIG TIME. Here is NO STRATEGY NEEDED. None at all. What is needed is only Ur money, and a lot of it. In many places even money players have to THINK, use strategy etc and are made quite even (lazy money player and very active free player can accomplish basically same things).
Why would they need to change rival lists? Before some ppl could buy GOLD units to be most powerful in his tier, now its pointless to buy gold units...cause U get bumped agains ppl with more gold units. So why waste money and gold, when all U get in return is stronger enemies? The best part is...they can see U, but U cant see them. Its a friggin rigged privilege for gold players. Maybe I would like to see too 10+ levels below me and attack them, but it isnt fair to them and to me. Luckily or unfortunately I dont see so low either, and not higher too, but higher ppl see me :(
Me -
Level 112
Allies 516
Attack 55292
Defense 56308
Within the last 8 hours I have been hit by -
Level 113
Allies 518
Attack 125216
Defense 128141
Level 111
Allies 1005
Attack 119123
Defense 127817
I'm losing high priced units faster than my base can generate income. The bloodletting is unsustainable.
If Gree is trying to get enough players to leave so they don't have to support this application anymore, they are on the right track with these new changes. Otherwise, they really need to roll the changes back.
I've been a casual player for over a year now. I registered today on the forums and posted this because Gree really needs to take notice. They have made a fun game (over 1 year playing) no longer fun.
Gree representatives, please feel free to reply directly or email me. Gree has my email address.
So, now my LLP account. Level 47, 25 allies. Was just beat by a level 61, 505 allies. Even if I was max allies, he would take about 30% more units into battle than I am able to. Not to mention his stats were only barely batter than mine. This tells me he is someone that obviously has no strategy in the game.
As for my HLP, I spent over $1k last month, yet I am getting decimated by people 50+ levels and over double my stats. I can barely find anyone on my rival list I can attack. There's no way I would have spent that money had I known this was going to be he outcome. The sad thing is, I was getting ready to do it again, but it makes NO sense for me at all.
How about this rival's list? I'm level 141 with 270 allies.
http://i1274.photobucket.com/albums/...psd088f083.jpg
Ouch! Glad I'm not in with that company :O
Hi Gree -
Any official word on when you will reverse this change? By the end of the week would be nice. Thank you so very much. :)
I'm at level 60 and was just hit by a level 69 player over 10K A/D stronger. Not cool.
Well I think these changes absolutely suck , I can take it if you open up the game , I can take players with stats 4,5,10 times mine attacking me , I can take players 50+ levels above attacking me, what I don't like is the fact they can stalk me and attack at will, while I can only see 2 levels down and one up I don't see how that is fair .
It's hilarious how I went for 6 months with only one or two red marks on my newsfeed. Now everyone that attacks me is at least 10 levels higher, always stronger than me and I always lose now. Not one of these people are visible on my list! This is the absolute worst "improvement" I have ever seen.
I'm so glad that I spent money on game to be strong at my level to only have the dynamics changed to be in favor of every other player but me. Good job Gree. Nice Way to really screw up a game.
CJ, come on! Answer us!
Changing this without notice, after many complaints we hear "it's on purpose, testing a new algorithm because players have asked for it", and then just total silence. It's been 2 weeks of people asking why this has been done, because nobody asked for it. Change it back already, please!
i'm a llp but not a camper just a new player. i only have 20 allies atm and my rivals list is full of players with hundreds of allies sometimes they have over a thousand. this happened suddenly. for me the new algorithm sux